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[Gazardiel]

MR_PN wrote...

I could be incredibly wrong with this but... they both speak of change coming but Flemeth speaks of destiny.. Meaning control/order/whatever. While morrigan says the change will set them free... Maybe flemeth is trying to stop it while morrigan is letting it happen.

I prefer this type of outlook; it is too simplistic for the Dragon Age universe to go with good/evil lines.  The quests and decisions you make as a PC emphasize this - you make choices for some reasons and not others, and there are consequences for the outlook you adopt.  So seeing Morrigan and Flemeth as people who have differing perspectives on the world and coming events, and thus who will end up promoting certain types of actions (selfless/selfish, small/big scale), gives us a much more interesting view.

I also never believe tall tales told about people without looking for myself; people love to gossip and besmirch those who scare them for being different.

[bleetman]

What do you mean "if". It's Morrigan. I can't say I'm currently assuming she's going to raise her god baby to make the world's greatest maceroni and cheese, whilst using Flemeth's tome to prop up a wonky chair leg. She's up to something.

I'd be surprised if Flemeth turned out to be "good", course. What with all the people she supposedly murders. I'd also be slightly confused as to why she couldn't just dragon form it up and eat Morrigan before we ever meet either of them, but hey.

Modifié par bleetman, 28 décembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[Pelle6666]

Apart from dark spawn and demons, there are no absolutes in the DA universe. No good and no evil.

[Kidd]

bleetman wrote...

What do you mean "if". It's Morrigan. I can't say I'm currently assuming she's going to raise her god baby to make the world's greatest maceroni and cheese, whilst using Flemeth's tome to prop up a wonky chair leg. She's up to something.

I'd be surprised if Flemeth turned out to be "good", course. What with all the people she supposedly murders. I'd also be slightly confused as to why she couldn't just dragon form it up and eat Morrigan before we ever meet either of them, but hey.

Cause she needs the OGB and for whatever reason can't get it herself, probably.

If the Flemeth = Old God theory turns out to be correct, it makes sense that she'd fear being near darkspawn and Grey Wardens due to the risk of losing herself and becoming an archdemon. Could be several other motivations behind it however even if she's just a hag who talks too much.

[Navasha]

I would be very disappointed if Bioware suddenly made them such stark opposites. Keep them in shades of grey, like real people would be.

[FP07]

Pelle6666 wrote...

Apart from dark spawn and demons, there are no absolutes in the DA universe. No good and no evil.

I agree.
I think the real question about Flemeth is "what is she?"!!
after her talk with Merril in DA.2 i wonder if she is really a Witch or is she really human?

[_- Songlian -]

Ever since meeting both mother and daughter back in DA:O I was under the impression that Flemeth is only letting Morrigan play at witchcraft like you'd let a puppy chew on your best slippers because he's "just too cute to watch". No danger whatsoever, especially if it serves her purpose. And in that vein, Flemeth didn't strike me as particularly evil at all.

[bombspy]

samgurl775 wrote...

I would still side with Morrigan.

If it gives you the power to rule Thedas? Hell yes!

One witch to rule them all.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I suppose this would make two of my Wardens accessory to a doomsday plot. (More of those have done the Dark Ritual, I'm just talking about the two who are involved with her.)

[Saibh]

- Songlian - wrote...

Ever since meeting both mother and daughter back in DA:O I was under the impression that Flemeth is only letting Morrigan play at witchcraft like you'd let a puppy chew on your best slippers because he's "just too cute to watch". No danger whatsoever, especially if it serves her purpose. And in that vein, Flemeth didn't strike me as particularly evil at all.

When you raise a little girl and kill her and take over her body, then she is evil.

Flemeth might not be out to destroy the world, but she's definitely not a "good" person. She's been killing her daughters for millenia. She was also pretty emotional neglectful and abusive as a mother, as far as we know. I know we meet Morrigan as a callous adult, but she was once a little girl with feelings. You wouldn't think good things of a mother who did the type of things Flemeth did to Morrigan.

[Adara]

I think it could go either way because I don't feel I have enough information to conclude that Flemeth is evil and Morrigan is good or vice versa. True, Morrigan did the ritual to "supposedly" save your character and their lover from dieing, but how do we know that it wasn't part of some sinister plan and not because she really wanted to save them? Also her seemingly good heart could all be a ruse. Ever heard the expression "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?" And Flemeth, well the information I know about her is really too vague  to conclude who or what she really is and what her alignment might be, whether it be good or evil. So I will wait and see what Bioware comes up with, but having both Flemeth and Morrigan back at the same time would prove to be an interesting story. I would love to see where they go with the whole Morrigan/Flemeth thing.

[saMoorai]

I doubt Flemeth is a 'good' witch. But I don't think she's a 'bad' witch either.

[Sol Downer]

I agree with what that other guy said.

Morrigan = Freedom and Change
Flemeth = Order and Destiny

[Noviere]

I hope neither of them turns out to be "evil" in a "Muahahahah! The world must be destroyed because I'm mean!!!" kind of way.

As players, we have no real first-hand experience with Flemeth or Morrigan being evil. Morrigan has a rather self-serving world view, but in DAO you can see she is capable of love and friendship. Most of what we know of Flemeth is legend/folklore, or hearsay from Morrigan(whose motives can't exactly be seen as pure).

In the end, I think both are working towards some greater purpose... And I don't think it is necessarily personal power. It may very well be to save the world rather than subjugate it.

Modifié par Noviere, 28 décembre 2012 - 07:46 .

[AshenShug4r]

I don't think Morrigan nor Flemeth can be classified as either good or evil.

[PsychoBlonde]

Dasher1010 wrote...

What if Morrigan is really the evil one and Flemeth is actually trying to save the world from her? Would anyone else expect that?

I seriously doubt Flemeth is trying to save the world from MORRIGAN, considering that Morrigan is, at best, a junior member of this enterprise.  I suspect Flemeth has plans for the world which may not be entirely evil--or good, for that matter.  They probably serve first and foremost to benefit one person--Flemeth.  Whether or not this benefits other people and to what degree has yet to be seen.

However, this does leave open the possibility that pretty much anyone has a chance to convince Flemeth that what benefits them (or everyone), ALSO benefits Flemeth, and thus get her help.  That's the great thing about self-interest.  Granted, this is problematic until such time as anyone figures out wtf Flemeth is actually after.  That may be the true key to Winning The Dragon Age:  Figure out what Flemeth wants, and give it to her in such a way that you also get what YOU want.

[Rawgrim]

I can`t really remember Flemeth ever lying to any of my DA characters. Morrigan, however, does that.

[In Exile]

Rawgrim wrote...

I can`t really remember Flemeth ever lying to any of my DA characters. Morrigan, however, does that.

She lies to you right when she saves you about why she saved you. 

[xsdob]

Would be an interesting plot twist. Just as long as we don't spend the game finding an ancient artifact, fighting flemeth and her forces, find said artifact, and than a ghostly god child of an ancient whatevers comes out and explains that flemeth was it's tool created to stop the innevitable mage templar conflict and that morrigan couldn't cause they already controlled her and yadda yadda yadda.

[Iakus]

In Exile wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I can`t really remember Flemeth ever lying to any of my DA characters. Morrigan, however, does that.

She lies to you right when she saves you about why she saved you. 

Did she?

She seems to be a master at giving dodgy answers and avoiding questions.  but I don't recall her ever outright lying.

[mousestalker]

Given some of the responses made on the Mass Effect boards, there are any number of munchkins on BSN ready, willing and able to welcome her to munchkinland if she reappears.

[mousestalker]

More seriously, that Bioware used the name 'Morrigan' has long made me wonder if they are referencing the Morgaine Cycle stories by C J Cherryh. If so, then both Morrigan and Flemeth would need to be reconsidered.

[NoForgiveness]

Pelle6666 wrote...

Apart from dark spawn and demons, there are no absolutes in the DA universe. No good and no evil.

the architect isnt evil. Well his nature is but he isnt. He was/is trying to stop the blights