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[Dr_Extrem]

no .. brovikk means the control ending.

yeah .. everyone with differing taste is part of the underclass here.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 28 décembre 2012 - 09:55 .

[Yate]

welp, this thread is exactly as dumb as I predicted it would be from the title

[Jenonax]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The people who claims that ME3 doesn't have a happy ending.

So there is an underclass then?

Thank you for clearing that up.

I don't think there is a happy ending.  There are endings more suited to people's playthroughs than others.  I like destroy but wouldn't call it happy because I lost the Geth and EDI and that doesn't bring me any joy.  I don't particularly consider control happy because absolute power corrupts absolutely and we're sitting on a ticking time bomb and Synthesis robbed people of their free will to choose whether or not they wanted to be hald robot now.

I'm perfectly happy in the underclass thanks.  Tea anyone?

[dorktainian]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There is a happy ending in the game. The problem is that some of you people consider a happy ending to be an ending with zero sacrifices, but that's just not BW's problem.

are you refering to refusal?...if so i agree.

Sure, the ending where everyone dies because Shepard is acting like a stubborn child. Yeah, that's such a cheerful ending.

and you know this because?

It is what shepard (un-indoctrinated) would do.  he wouldnt accept star brats bullturd any more than i would.  Yay lets accept the word of a mass murdering meglomaniac in deciding wether to fire a big f.....in gun or not.  good idea.  How is he being stubborn for doing what he believes is right?  making a decision without reaper interference.    

''you would not know them...and i do not have time to explain....''


yeah.... go team retard.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There is a happy ending in the game. The problem is that some of you people consider a happy ending to be an ending with zero sacrifices, which is just not going to happen, and that's just not BW's problem. It really is that simple. 

Unfortunately, BW doesn't allow an "achievement unlocked" for it. It's the refusal ending. It's considered a critical mission failure.

The Stargazer Scene is the key to the refusal ending. Our cycle kicked some reaper ass. We lost, but the Asari who came out of the archives tells the story to her child tells us that many did survive the cycle, and in sufficient numbers to support the gene pool and learn from all of our mistakes. They apparently defeated the reapers.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 28 décembre 2012 - 10:05 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Jenonax wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The people who claims that ME3 doesn't have a happy ending.

So there is an underclass then?

Thank you for clearing that up.

I don't think there is a happy ending.  There are endings more suited to people's playthroughs than others.  I like destroy but wouldn't call it happy because I lost the Geth and EDI and that doesn't bring me any joy.  I don't particularly consider control happy because absolute power corrupts absolutely and we're sitting on a ticking time bomb and Synthesis robbed people of their free will to choose whether or not they wanted to be hald robot now.

I'm perfectly happy in the underclass thanks.  Tea anyone?

Now this part just annoys the crap out of me. It's an argument I see on here all the time and it simply just makes ZERO sense. How do you know that's the case with Shepard?! Nothing during the ending of the game indicates that this is the case,and some of the slides takes places hundreds of years into the future. Nothing! This is another fine example of people taking their own head canon as fact and using it as another thing to complain about. 

If that's what you think happens to your Shepard, fine, but don't try and pass it on as fact when you have absolutely nothing to base it on.

[Dr_Extrem]

Jenonax wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The people who claims that ME3 doesn't have a happy ending.

So there is an underclass then?

I'm perfectly happy in the underclass thanks.  Tea anyone?

in germany, the underclass drinks beer. prost mein freund!

[Brovikk Rasputin]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There is a happy ending in the game. The problem is that some of you people consider a happy ending to be an ending with zero sacrifices, which is just not going to happen, and that's just not BW's problem. It really is that simple. 

Unfortunately, BW doesn't allow an "achievement unlocked" for it. It's the refusal ending. It's considered a critical mission failure.

I wouldn't exactly call the ending where you let the Reapers continue on with their harvesting and get every single person you care about killed happy, but hey, whatever you say 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There is a happy ending in the game. The problem is that some of you people consider a happy ending to be an ending with zero sacrifices, which is just not going to happen, and that's just not BW's problem. It really is that simple. 

Unfortunately, BW doesn't allow an "achievement unlocked" for it. It's the refusal ending. It's considered a critical mission failure.

I wouldn't exactly call the ending where you let the Reapers continue on with their harvesting and get every single person you care about killed happy, but hey, whatever you say 

See my edit.

[StayFrosty05]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There is a happy ending in the game. The problem is that some of you people consider a happy ending to be an ending with zero sacrifices, which is just not going to happen, and that's just not BW's problem. It really is that simple. 

There must be more than one ME3 story getting around....can I trade copies with you please?...I don't like the one I got....I don't get the 'happy ending' and there's plenty of sacrifice in my game........some X squaddies and lots and lots of people (Alien and Human).

[Jenonax]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Now this part just annoys the crap out of me. It's an argument I see on here all the time and it simply just makes ZERO sense. How do you know that's the case with Shepard?! Nothing during the ending of the game indicates that this is the case,and some of the slides takes places hundreds of years into the future. Nothing! This is another fine example of people taking their own head canon as fact and using it as another thing to complain about. 

If that's what you think happens to your Shepard, fine, but don't try and pass it on as fact when you have absolutely nothing to base it on.

And thats your headcannon.

Shepard is not special.  People may try and say he is but he's not.  He's a man.  He's a soldier.  He is made brilliant by the team he built around him. 

We spent nearly three games arguing the fact that the Reapers could not be controlled by anyone.  From no trustworthy source have we ever been given any evidence that they can be controlled.  We are told we can by the antagonist, who we trust with no cause too.

Based on that I can conclude that in fact no, Shepard can't control the Reapers because I have never once been shown any evidence that its possible and at least two very good examples where its shown we can't.

[dorktainian]

has anyone ever stated as a fact that actually all 4 endings are as equally valid as one another because they just are?

I'm obviously underclass because i believe that actually if offered the same choice (although destroy is incredibly tempting) i would refuse the star brats logic... then go make myself a nice cup of coffee and remember that actually i have a life.

[Ninja Stan]

dorktainian wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

i wont criticise any one person in particular. to me the most mind boggling thing is how did it get to this? I know that the Doctor asked us to play through it and form our own opinion, but what then happens if you still think it is very poor?

Then you've played what you think is a very poor game. End of story. You can discuss with the community what you thought was very poor, or suggest ways to improve the next game or even, as some do, threaten to never buy another BioWare or EA game again. Will any of that help the next game to be more to your liking or objectively better? Can't really predict that, but BioWare has always been open to feedback and criticism just as much as it has always enjoyed the praise and raves from delighted fans.

This is how IT sprung up. People see indoctrination and then because everything else is meh, they cling on to the most obvious other thing. Yeah I can see why it might be art. But bad art is still....bad art.

I agree, but art doesn't stop becoming art just because people don't like it or don't agree with it or don't understand it. It just becomes art you don't like. And there's nothing wrong with the theories out there, if that's what fans are coming up with. Every fandom has fan theories and supposition about motivations, where characters came from and where they went, and such like.

If forums exist for honest comment, then surely it must accept that bad comments are equally as valid as good comments? No one here as far as i know is here just to drag bioware down. they are here cos they give a damn.

I agree, but some folks are unable to present their frustrations and disappointment in productive ways that encourage or invite conversation and debate. This is one of the problems with anonymized text-only communication.

FWIW i still play the game, but just stop at london. Hey since it's art, it's just as valid an ending imo as going through the mind.... that is everything after london. Shep is dead. Game over. the rest is pointless.

Fair. I don't consider the more recent Star Wars trilogy to be canon. Doesn't mean the new trilogy doesn't appeal to people, doesn't mean it's not "art," and doesn't mean it didn't make metric boatloads of money.

[Xellith]

Ninja Stan wrote...
Who could have predicted Conrad Verner or Blasto would have such a following?.

This is the internet... of COURSE they were gonna have a following.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Jenonax wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Now this part just annoys the crap out of me. It's an argument I see on here all the time and it simply just makes ZERO sense. How do you know that's the case with Shepard?! Nothing during the ending of the game indicates that this is the case,and some of the slides takes places hundreds of years into the future. Nothing! This is another fine example of people taking their own head canon as fact and using it as another thing to complain about. 

If that's what you think happens to your Shepard, fine, but don't try and pass it on as fact when you have absolutely nothing to base it on.

And thats your headcannon.

Shepard is not special.  People may try and say he is but he's not.  He's a man.  He's a soldier.  He is made brilliant by the team he built around him. 

We spent nearly three games arguing the fact that the Reapers could not be controlled by anyone.  From no trustworthy source have we ever been given any evidence that they can be controlled.  We are told we can by the antagonist, who we trust with no cause too.

Based on that I can conclude that in fact no, Shepard can't control the Reapers because I have never once been shown any evidence that its possible and at least two very good examples where its shown we can't.

NO. That is NOT my headcanon. That's what the damn game shows us during the epilogue. We don't see Shepard going mental and killing everyone ANYWHERE. 

[Dr_Extrem]

what are 1000 years compared to eternity?

[Jenonax]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

NO. That is NOT my headcanon. That's what the damn game shows us during the epilogue. We don't see Shepard going mental and killing everyone ANYWHERE. 

Yes I'll take a bunch of slides that were copy pasted in 3/4 endings over the evidence provided in game.

I mean the in game evidence and the slides don't match up, I have to disregard one or the other.  Game says you can't, slides say you can.  Nowhere is it explained how you can, its explained everywhere why you can't.

I'll take the evidence over the pictures.

[dorktainian]

Ninja Stan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

i wont criticise any one person in particular. to me the most mind boggling thing is how did it get to this? I know that the Doctor asked us to play through it and form our own opinion, but what then happens if you still think it is very poor?

Then you've played what you think is a very poor game. End of story. You can discuss with the community what you thought was very poor, or suggest ways to improve the next game or even, as some do, threaten to never buy another BioWare or EA game again. Will any of that help the next game to be more to your liking or objectively better? Can't really predict that, but BioWare has always been open to feedback and criticism just as much as it has always enjoyed the praise and raves from delighted fans.

This is how IT sprung up. People see indoctrination and then because everything else is meh, they cling on to the most obvious other thing. Yeah I can see why it might be art. But bad art is still....bad art.

I agree, but art doesn't stop becoming art just because people don't like it or don't agree with it or don't understand it. It just becomes art you don't like. And there's nothing wrong with the theories out there, if that's what fans are coming up with. Every fandom has fan theories and supposition about motivations, where characters came from and where they went, and such like.

If forums exist for honest comment, then surely it must accept that bad comments are equally as valid as good comments? No one here as far as i know is here just to drag bioware down. they are here cos they give a damn.

I agree, but some folks are unable to present their frustrations and disappointment in productive ways that encourage or invite conversation and debate. This is one of the problems with anonymized text-only communication.

FWIW i still play the game, but just stop at london. Hey since it's art, it's just as valid an ending imo as going through the mind.... that is everything after london. Shep is dead. Game over. the rest is pointless.

Fair. I don't consider the more recent Star Wars trilogy to be canon. Doesn't mean the new trilogy doesn't appeal to people, doesn't mean it's not "art," and doesn't mean it didn't make metric boatloads of money.

 


so.... art is sometimes good, it is sometimes bad.  It is in the eye of the beholder....much like beauty.  

As i said nobody is here just to criticise.  It's easy to criticise (very) - dont get me wrong (imo) because entitlement has now gone to the n'th degree (or the feeling of).  We gave a damn.  

some just left, some got mad, angry even.  

some like the game - fair play to them...i am happy for them.  But it's almost created a 'them and us' spilt right down the middle of BSN.  Who is right?  Who is wrong? We are each side backed into a corner defending our positions. 

We come back because actually - someone might confirm IT and 50% of us would be happier....but then the others might feel betrayed.      

i've been as bad as some of the others. i'll hold my hands up.

It really is a no win situation for some and that kinda makes me sad.

Modifié par dorktainian, 28 décembre 2012 - 10:26 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Jenonax wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

NO. That is NOT my headcanon. That's what the damn game shows us during the epilogue. We don't see Shepard going mental and killing everyone ANYWHERE. 

Yes I'll take a bunch of slides that were copy pasted in 3/4 endings over the evidence provided in game.

I mean the in game evidence and the slides don't match up, I have to disregard one or the other.  Game says you can't, slides say you can.  Nowhere is it explained how you can, its explained everywhere why you can't.

I'll take the evidence over the pictures.

The Catalyst has been the only 'thing' to control the Reapers ever. You make it sound like many people have been controlling the Reapers throughout the ages, which is not exactly the case, and which is why you can't say that Shepard fails at it. Again, the ending shows Shepard controlling them just fine. 

[Joe Del Toro]

I wouldn't want to leave control of the Reapers to a guy who once likely said 'I can bludgeon pretty hard' but whatever

[spirosz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

If that's what you think happens to your Shepard, fine, but don't try and pass it on as fact when you have absolutely nothing to base it on.

But you're using your headcannon as everything will be fine as fact, just sayin' Brovikk.

Double standards everywhere. 

Modifié par spirosz, 28 décembre 2012 - 10:29 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

spirosz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

If that's what you think happens to your Shepard, fine, but don't try and pass it on as fact when you have absolutely nothing to base it on.

But you're using your headcannon as everything will be fine as fact, just sayin' Brovikk.

Double standards everywhere. 

No I'm not. I'm stating what the game shows us. 

[Jenonax]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The Catalyst has been the only 'thing' to control the Reapers ever. You make it sound like many people have been controlling the Reapers throughout the ages, which is not exactly the case, and which is why you can't say that Shepard fails at it. Again, the ending shows Shepard controlling them just fine.

He's the antagonist, or what passes as one in this story arc.  Exactly why are you trusting him again?  How does he know what Shepard can or can't do?  He's not psychic.  Catalyst can't see the future, he was programmed and designed for this.  Shepard is human.  Human minds are flawed and as we see in the EC Shepard's mind survives in some capacity.  He has introduced flaws.

Again, show me the evidence which states that Shepard can control the Reapers and not just what the Villain of the story says you can or cannot do.  Trustworthy sources and all that.

[Jenonax]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

No I'm not. I'm stating what the game shows us. 

So am I.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Jenonax wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The Catalyst has been the only 'thing' to control the Reapers ever. You make it sound like many people have been controlling the Reapers throughout the ages, which is not exactly the case, and which is why you can't say that Shepard fails at it. Again, the ending shows Shepard controlling them just fine.

He's the antagonist, or what passes as one in this story arc.  Exactly why are you trusting him again?  How does he know what Shepard can or can't do?  He's not psychic.  Catalyst can't see the future, he was programmed and designed for this.  Shepard is human.  Human minds are flawed and as we see in the EC Shepard's mind survives in some capacity.  He has introduced flaws.

Again, show me the evidence which states that Shepard can control the Reapers and not just what the Villain of the story says you can or cannot do.  Trustworthy sources and all that.

The last ten minutes of the damn game! How many times do I have to repeat this!? The. Slides. Clearly. Shows. Shepard. Controlling. The. Reapers. 

I give up. This is hopeless. When you can't even look at the damn ending of the game and instead base your arguments on your own headcanon there's no point to continue this madness.

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 28 décembre 2012 - 10:35 .