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[GreyLycanTrope]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The Catalyst has been the only 'thing' to control the Reapers ever. You make it sound like many people have been controlling the Reapers throughout the ages, which is not exactly the case, and which is why you can't say that Shepard fails at it. Again, the ending shows Shepard controlling them just fine. 

Yeah original Catalyst controlling them and that worked out fine... except it didn't.
All we see is the Reapers helping rebuild, I'd love to actually see them try and enforce that peace Shepalyst bangs on about when an actual crisis comes up.
The Reapers have been absorbing the knowledge of the various races they harvest for millions if not billions of years but adding Shepard's memories too the mix will make a difference? There's a wonderful naivete in that.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 28 décembre 2012 - 10:38 .

[Iakus]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There is a happy ending in the game. The problem is that some of you people consider a happy ending to be an ending with zero sacrifices, which is just not going to happen, and that's just not BW's problem. It really is that simple. 

It's been my experience that when the term "'you people" gets used, civilized discourse had left the building

[Jenonax]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The last ten minutes of the damn game! How many times do I have to repeat this!? The. Slides. Clearly. Shows. Shepard. Controlling. The. Reapers. 

I give up. This is hopeless.

Have you ever written an essay?

To come to a conclusion you provide both sides of an argument then summise what that conclusion is based on what side of the argument has the most evidence and the best quality of evidence.

The argument which states that Shepard cannot control the Reapers has hundreds of hours of gameplay and the fact that both Saren and TIM both tried and ultimately failed to do so.  We also see indoctrination of every person that has ever come into contact with the damn things. 

The argument which says he in fact can has the Villain's seal of approval and and some slides that weren't even in the original ending.  Hardly good quality evidence.

[Darth Malice113]

iakus wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There is a happy ending in the game. The problem is that some of you people consider a happy ending to be an ending with zero sacrifices, which is just not going to happen, and that's just not BW's problem. It really is that simple. 

It's been my experience that when the term "'you people" gets used, civilized discourse had left the building

This.

[Joe Del Toro]

I don't get how people who like the endings are perfectly willing to swallow the idea that Synthetics will ALWAYS rebel, but they reject the very notion that, eventually at least, Shepard might not be able to keep his moral fibre whilst controlling giant metal godsquids

[GreyLycanTrope]

Our hero of ambiguous gender starts a religion that's how. Don't question the morals of The Shepard.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 28 décembre 2012 - 10:44 .

[M Hedonist]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

I don't get how people who like the endings are perfectly willing to swallow the idea that Synthetics will ALWAYS rebel, but they reject the very notion that, eventually at least, Shepard might not be able to keep his moral fibre whilst controlling giant metal godsquids

No. This will never ever happen, not once in the whole eternity that Godshepard will presumably control the Reapers.

[Darth Malice113]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Our hero of ambiguous gender starts a religion that's how. Don't question the morals of The Shepard.

PRAISE HIM!............Uh, I mean it.

[Yate]

are people seriously trying to argue control is possible?

Sanctuary clearly showed it was, people

guess you only paid attention to the bits of the game you wanted to

[Jenonax]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

I don't get how people who like the endings are perfectly willing to swallow the idea that Synthetics will ALWAYS rebel, but they reject the very notion that, eventually at least, Shepard might not be able to keep his moral fibre whilst controlling giant metal godsquids

Speaking of which why haven't the Reapers rebelled against the Catalyst?  You know, if its so inevitable and all?

[Joe Del Toro]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Our hero of ambiguous gender starts a religion that's how. Don't question the morals of The Shepard.

Soon it gets so bad that douchebags start hanging around funerals holding up signs saying 'SHEPARD HATES ****S' or something

[Dr_Extrem]

iakus wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

There is a happy ending in the game. The problem is that some of you people consider a happy ending to be an ending with zero sacrifices, which is just not going to happen, and that's just not BW's problem. It really is that simple. 

It's been my experience that when the term "'you people" gets used, civilized discourse had left the building

yeah .,. its meeting elvis in the bar around the corner.

"you people" usually means .. "you dumba**es*.


its like saying: "yes, yes" .. in germany it usually means "kiss my backside"


the shep-ai also states, that it will protect, that is will have the mightiest fleet, that noone will dare to oppose. .... .. with this line, he admits, that his rule is also based on fear.

no .. shepa-ai did not turn megalomaniac - not even a trace.

shepard had a miserable life (at least for the last years). the only persons who did not abandon him/her, were the crewmates - vs and anderson. the rest of the galaxy called shepard a lunatic (at best) and delusional. "ah yes reapers" ... did the shep-ai suddenly forget, that the galaxy treated its organic precursor like dirt?


one can only hope.

[Yate]

Jenonax wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The last ten minutes of the damn game! How many times do I have to repeat this!? The. Slides. Clearly. Shows. Shepard. Controlling. The. Reapers. 

I give up. This is hopeless.

Have you ever written an essay?

To come to a conclusion you provide both sides of an argument then summise what that conclusion is based on what side of the argument has the most evidence and the best quality of evidence.

The argument which states that Shepard cannot control the Reapers has hundreds of hours of gameplay and the fact that both Saren and TIM both tried and ultimately failed to do so.  We also see indoctrination of every person that has ever come into contact with the damn things. 

The argument which says he in fact can has the Villain's seal of approval and and some slides that weren't even in the original ending.  Hardly good quality evidence.

villains can be right you know

replay the Sanctuary mission plzthx

also Saren never tried to control the Reapers what are you smoking?

[Jenonax]

Yate wrote...

are people seriously trying to argue control is possible?

Sanctuary clearly showed it was, people

guess you only paid attention to the bits of the game you wanted to

So do you obviously.

TIM was indoctrinated by the end.  He failed.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Yate wrote...

are people seriously trying to argue control is possible?

Sanctuary clearly showed it was, people

guess you only paid attention to the bits of the game you wanted to

Difference between short term and long term control.

[Joe Del Toro]

Did Yate play the Sanctuary mission all like 'Woah, well done Cerberus!' and applauding

[Yate]

Jenonax wrote...

Yate wrote...

are people seriously trying to argue control is possible?

Sanctuary clearly showed it was, people

guess you only paid attention to the bits of the game you wanted to

So do you obviously.

TIM was indoctrinated by the end.  He failed.

so?

Henry Lawson wasn't indoctrinated

again, replay Sanctuary

[Dr_Extrem]

Yate wrote...

are people seriously trying to argue control is possible?

Sanctuary clearly showed it was, people

guess you only paid attention to the bits of the game you wanted to

no .. sanctuary showed, that it is possible to simulate the reaper control signal and "control" husks, that were not made by reapers, but cerberus. lawson made this clear.

also, the cerberus troops, started to hear the voices of the actual reapers. they were already. degenerating.

[Yate]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Did Yate play the Sanctuary mission all like 'Woah, well done Cerberus!' and applauding

well they DID kill Miranda, a little applause wouldn't be uncalled for

[Jenonax]

Yate wrote...

villains can be right you know

replay the Sanctuary mission plzthx

also Saren never tried to control the Reapers what are you smoking?

Yes you're right Villains can and often are.

Villains who are established and have their motives and origins explained and who are allowed the breathing space in the narrative to allow us the audience time to care about them.

TIM failed in the end.  Cerberus failed.  They never successfully controlled a Reaper to the extent we should believe that Shepard can control all of them at the same time.

And I shouldn't have put that Saren was trying to control them.  I was wrong.  He did however believe we could serve and be useful to them.  He thought he was in some way equal to Sovereign.  When not the case, he killed himself, at least in my playthrough.

[Yate]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Yate wrote...

are people seriously trying to argue control is possible?

Sanctuary clearly showed it was, people

guess you only paid attention to the bits of the game you wanted to

no .. sanctuary showed, that it is possible to simulate the reaper control signal and "control" husks, that were not made by reapers, but cerberus. lawson made this clear.

also, the cerberus troops, started to hear the voices of the actual reapers. they were already. degenerating.

if Cerberus on Sanctuary were indoctrinated, the reapers wouldn't have attacked

if control wasn't possible, the reapers wouldn't have attacked

[Joe Del Toro]

Yate wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Did Yate play the Sanctuary mission all like 'Woah, well done Cerberus!' and applauding

well they DID kill Miranda, a little applause wouldn't be uncalled for

...I genuinely can't argue against this

[Jenonax]

Yate wrote...
so?

Henry Lawson wasn't indoctrinated

again, replay Sanctuary

How do you know that?

He was shot a minute after we met him.

[Dr_Extrem]

Yate wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Yate wrote...

are people seriously trying to argue control is possible?

Sanctuary clearly showed it was, people

guess you only paid attention to the bits of the game you wanted to

no .. sanctuary showed, that it is possible to simulate the reaper control signal and "control" husks, that were not made by reapers, but cerberus. lawson made this clear.

also, the cerberus troops, started to hear the voices of the actual reapers. they were already. degenerating.

if Cerberus on Sanctuary were indoctrinated, the reapers wouldn't have attacked

if control wasn't possible, the reapers wouldn't have attacked

what does this have to do with the fact, that the cerberus forces were starting to hear the reapers? or with the facts, that they were conly controling self made husks?

the reapers may attacked the station, because the reapers were drawn there by the atrificial signal? .. i think i have heard something like this during the mission.

lawson himself was very sceptical about controling a real reaper. he said this by himself (video logs) - controling a self made husk was a big undertaking but controling a life reaper is ... welll .. out of their league.

in the end, tim was indoctrinated. maybe the cerberus guys on horizon were not useful anymore.

[AlanC9]

dorktainian wrote...


I'm obviously underclass because i believe that actually if offered the same choice (although destroy is incredibly tempting) i would refuse the star brats logic... then go make myself a nice cup of coffee and remember that actually i have a life.

ITRW you'd deliberately get everyone killed? Seriously?