Chewin3 wrote...
He is paranoid and arrogant, though I consider that understandable. He grew up under the "Orlesian reign" over Ferelden, fought for it's freedom and lived to experience yet another attempt from Orlais a few years later (Dragon Age: The Calling). And from recent rumours that Orlais were attempting yet again, who else would he trust that job to, since he is a renowned military commander which many people consider 'unequaled'.
I
don't consider it understandable. I expect high-ranking military men to have more to support their beliefs than "rumours". Rumours which, so far, have proven to be entirely
false. There is no evidence that Empress Celene is anything other than a genuine friend to Cailan and Ferelden, and it is only a full decade later that we learn that
some Orlesians want to invade Ferelden. Not all, probably not even the majority. But Loghain is incapable of making that distinction, because he is a racist.
Yes, Orlais has done terrible things in the past, but in the real world we do not blacklist entire countries forever based on one or even multiple travesties, because that is stupid and bigoted.
Understandable, since Cailan knows jacksh*it about military tactics and he wasn't aware back then that Cailan was going to ally with Orlais.
Besides, Cailan still had the last say when it came ot tactics, which Loghain disagreed on but had no say himself.
Cailan probably knows a lot about military tactics. He made
one poor decision which, unfortunatly, led to his own death and had no effect on the larger outcome of the battle, assuming you believe Loghain's assertion that Ostagar was unwinnable. If the number of Darkspawn was truly unprecedented, then there was never any hope at all.
Loghain makes
many mistakes in Origins, and made mistakes before that. His lack of patience with Cailan's inexperience is pure hypocrisy. Clearly Loghain had a large say in tactics. The original plan was of his devising, and Cailan had ideas that were arguably very good (like waiting for the Orlesians), which Loghain shouted down. Cailan had the authority to tell Loghain to STFU, but he didn't exercise it. Probably out of respect. It would've behooved Loghain to treat Cailan and others with some respect, instead of bellowing insults at absolutely everybody all of the time.
Yet Anora has ruled Ferelden for five years, not Cailan and not Loghain. It's his concern as a parent that overtakes him to shoulder the purdon alone of the country. An understandable action, though not a wise one.
Anora
claims to have ruled Ferelden as the "brains" behind Cailan. A claim for which there is no evidence. The choices she makes in-game are extremely poor, they are not the choices of an intelligent woman, let alone a supposedly shrewd politician. And seeing as how Cailan's reign was short and he had acheived little of note, being the supposed mastermind behind his decisions is nothing to brag about.
As it is, Cailan had ideas for social reform that Anora likely disagreed with, if she even knew about them. For instance, he confides to a City Elf Warden that he would like to dispose of the alienage and integrate the human and elven peoples. He also plans to divorce Anora and wed Celene, a move I doubt that Anora would support, if she's even aware of it. It is extremely fortuitous for Anora that Cailan died when he did. Her apparent control over him was slipping.
Nevertheless, the fact remains that any faith Loghain had in Anora, justfied or not, evaporated completely in a time of crisis. I am not disputing whether or not his action is "understandable", I am stating that it was an objectively stupid action. He could've and should've backed down when the Bannorn rightfully abandoned him enmasse, but he is a blind fool.
Right...
With that kind of logic, the polar opposite of this would be me complaining that people who don't understand Loghain's motives and actions are blinded my emotions and throws away all logic b/c of it.
Maybe.
I understand Loghain's motivations perfectly well. I doubt that anyone could understand his
actions. There is no logic behind them to understand. Declaring himself regent was stupid, poisoning Eamon was stupid and despicable, his promotion of Howe was stupid, his deal with Uldred was stupid, his decision to try and assassinate the Wardens was stupid, selling the elves into slavery was stupid and unforgiveable.
Every single thing he does is stupid. These are
not the actions of a tactical genius, these are the actions of a raving, drooling madman.
To many--gamers and people of Ferelden a like--Loghain's life could be summarized as: "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." From a certain viewpoint this could be true, but to tag Loghain as a villain who deserves execution is ludicrous, especially when his motives and several of his actions are understandable and not that hard to grasp.
Loghain's statement is nonsense. Losing the love of his fellow countrymen was not an inevitability. He lost it through his own actions and has only himself to blame. He is not a misunderstood anti-hero. He is not some medieval Spiderman, falling victim to the shifting whims of a fickle media and a gullible populace. He betrayed Ferelden in every respect. He tore it apart with his vanity. He committed atrocious crimes of a staggering scale. He spilled enough Ferelden blood that he could easily drown in it. There is no motive or combination of motives sympathetic enough to absolve him.
You're right about one thing. Loghain doesn't deserve execution. He deserves to suffer the way he has made his country and its people suffer. Execution is a mercy.
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