Okay, I still see too many misunderstandings going on. And throw in a lot trollings too. This is bsn.
The following wall of text is dedicated to the leveled headed you.
Firstly my bad I haven't stated clear in thread that there are no specific orders within a tier rank. (Admittedly there are, but nothing to do with how I listed them out. Apparently I grouped all the adepts or engis or N7s together for convienent's sake. Needless to say I do consider certain kits "upper tiers" the obvious ones Geth Sol, Human Sol, N7 Slayer and Fury above other A rank kits.) Also read the second post if you haven't already.
Which brings up another point. Originally I made up 8 Tier ranks with S+, A+, and B+. I ditched that list and grouped everything into 5 tier ranks at last because it's sufficient, less messy, and believe me, less controversy. But it does make some kits very very tough to place, as mentioned before.
Judging from all the responses I am seeing, sadly those include name-callings and personal attacks, which is nothing short of from the bsn bunch, I dare say I've made a pretty damn good ME3 tier list. Most disagreements are aimed at those 4 or 5 characters namely the Turians, Huntress, Batguard (I'll make amendment to the Batguard. I was only thinking a full melee build with him which is ineffective in later gold waves. It's true he's much better as a watered down Kroguard, yawn, employing a few light melees when situation allows), Drellguard and Kroguard (While he may not have the sheer DPS against others in the God tier, he is hopelessly sturdy and very easy to use, a brain-dead kit to use to be exact and that contributes to why I placed him there. A tier list whilest means maximum potential, also takes into consideration how easy a character is for example to execute a quick, easy, but devastating combos in a Fighting Game scene.)
Navigate to this page and scroll to the middle of the page. Only 36 characters in that game comparing to the 53 we have here and their tier lists are much more diverse. If you claim a fighting game is easy, shouldn't the FG community agreed on a more universal tier list already? Since those games has been out for years.
[Sidenote]
Some of you might be compelled to say to me a tier list is impossible
because ME3 is not a FG. Firstly if one get discredited and discouraged on
trying things then humanity might as well stop here. Secondly "broken"
this, "broken" that is nothing short of on bsn. Following are "nerf"
this and "nerf" that. WIth a few occasional buff threads. And you're
telling me this game doesn't have tiers with this amount of kits and
guns?
Onto a FG tier list, or a matchup sheet. It is also often generated from results and stats of tournaments. Or some are simply player generated tier lists. The former one will be hugely dependent on how much / how effective a character is played in a region. It is impossible for ME3. Why? Even if you have access to ME3 stats there are many bad players playing with bad builds with no way to differentiate them from those good players as in tourney standard. More importantly lag / latency issue is a huge problem. And Even More Importantly is the scoring system (if you thought of using this as a guideline). Score means kill rate and kill rate only. Taken into account the 5 missiles you spawn-nuked with but not taken into account (only slightly) the support you gave or value you brought to team synergy. I do consider ME3 MP a DPS game for the most part. And higher score more often does mean it's coming from a good player / good kit and setup / willing to use consumables / hosting. But the support criterias are not to be overlooked.
Another thing worth noting headshot kills or power kills / primers are more often getting higher scores. But a lower score player in the same match may dished out more DPS if we choose to look at the scoreboard as a strictly DPS gauge.
Back to the FG tiers. The latter one is similar to what I have here. It's player generated. Hence I titled the thread "himegoto's tier list". Not a "definitive MP3 tier list". And have already used the words "subjective" before this edit. The need for many posters fussing over my opinions in a more hostile-aggressive behavior is disappointing. (And yes. You can make your own tier list too. It's one of the things that I hope to see by bringing this idea from FGs here.)
It is not to say that my tier list is immune from critism. Nevertheless it is the way many posters protrayed themselves as a epeen stroking contestant that turns me away from replying to such "discussions". It's going to make their epeen bigger but not going to do anything for me. You can believe what you want to believe, since I never impose this tier to anyone.
However if you disagree with the majority of my tier list. I'll go right out and say this - it's safe for me to assume you're a noob. Check yourself if you have at least 500 hours into the game, frequent gold and platinum matches, and near maxing out your manifest, to experience on more optimal setups. No those aren't criterias, but you get the point. Claiming a HV or a Tsent > a Drellguard is way too outlandish and only shows one lacks experience to the game.
I hope to those that disagreed my list completely, learnt something here.
My takes on a weapon platform Human Sentinel (which now the Valkyrie just completely stole his spotlight) or a stasis-less Asari Vanguard months ago spirred up controversies and as usual, personal attacks. But give it a few months and now they're the most agreed upon and pinnacle builds.
I'm happy with this tier list.
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Before anything, it is vital for the mass here to understand what a tier list is.
Raphamon made a comprehensive guide on the definition of a Tier list on my old thread, help yourself there before letting your ego go wild and and bringing out the sticks and rocks.
Why am I spending time making one?
I like doing it. Considering pros and cons of a kit after mastering the game for the most part is one of the things left for me to do. Always wanted to update the old tier with all the new character kits and updates before the end of the year. And with the amount of characters / kits this game has (similar to titles like SF4, KOF), this game deserves a tier list.
How do I gauge on the kits?
Maximum overall effectiveness and potential in the field. Guideline: Gold matches.
I look at the power set synergy and maximum potential of the kit, with full consumables and gears equipped. "Optimal" weapon choices and builds. *
Some kits may shine in one fraction and devastated in another fraction. But as said, Maximum overall effectiveness. For example traits like movement speed, resilience, sturdiness, gun damage, CC / Instant-cast powers, map dependent (nade / ammo counts, CQC vs longer range ability etc)......... In short, innate passives and synergy between the powers.
What a tier list is / is not (TL;DR ver. or, BSN edition)
Is the FULL POTENTIAL of a kit.
Is Not about how much you can score with a kit
Is Not about if anyone can solo with it on platinum
Is Not saying a bottom tier isn't viable on platinum
Is Not about whether or not you can play to the kit's full potential
Has Nothing to do with how fun / boring it is to play
Has Nothing to do with a kit being your favourite characters or not.
Lastly,
Happy New Year and holidays. Plan the coming year well and.. Play less games I suppose
* Treat "optimal" as a subjective case here. It's an endless debate on itself (character builds and gun choices). But to list a few obvious ones would be taking warp / incendiary rounds on a power priming kit with guns such as Reegar; Using a gun specced GI instead of a melee GI; Equipping nade capacity gear on suitable classes etc. Originally I wanted to include a narida builder link for each and every kit. Way too much of a haunting task (The insert link code always faults). Besides, I gave many kits' builds in my sig already.
I can only assess a kit from my own "optimal" builds. If you have a strong reason to disagree with my builds, feel free to voice them.
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SSS (God Tier)
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GI
QMI
TGI
Kroguard
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S (Top tier)
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N7 Destroyer
All Infiltrators EXCEPT Asari Huntress
Drellguard
Asari Valkyrie Sentinel
N7 Demolisher
N7 Paladin
Krogan Soldier
Vorcha Soldier
Vorcha Sentinel
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A (High Tier)
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Human Engi
Geth Engi
Quarian Male Engi
Volus Engi
Human Sentinel
Krogan Sentinel
Human Adept
Asari Justicar Adept
Drell Adept
Batarian Slasher Adept
Krogan Shaman Adept
Human / BF3 Sol
Batarian Sol
Geth Trooper Sol
Asari Vanguard
Ex-Cerb Vanguard
N7 Slayer
N7 Fury
Batarian Vanguard
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B
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Ex-cerb Adept
Asari Adept
Volus Vanguard
Quarian Marksman Sol
Salarian Engi
Human Vanguard
Asari Huntress
Turian Sol
Turian Sentinel
Turian Havoc
Batarian Sentinel
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C
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Volus Adept
Quarian Engi
Turian Saboteur Engi
Vorcha Hunter Engi
Volus Merc Sentinel
Modifié par himegoto, 30 décembre 2012 - 05:24 .
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