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[Valiantheart99]

But where does Infiltration's Akuma rank on the list?

[najzere]

That doesn't take into account the weights (i.e. are shields more important than damage reduction? vice versa?) or the goal of a tier list (i.e. highest DPS, survivability, good at objectives, etc.). Plus one for this and minus one for that is not refined enough even when judging a much less complex game like a fighter.

[ISHYGDDT]

Vecte wrote...

Fair enough on the Geth.  He does have more damage potential even without the Geth Weapons.  TGI is definitely not god tier though.  TC gives too much of a boost to the already high DPS of the Harrier.  Without the Harrier in the picture, the Havoc is just as effective at dropping targets as the TGI.

[Feneckus]

Zjarcal wrote...

himegoto wrote...

(original) Turians ?
- Without sugar-coating anything, Bad kits. Viable, but bad.

This.

Turian Soldier and Sentinel bad kits ? What a joke.

[Atheosis]

Original Stikman wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

puldalpha wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

puldalpha wrote...

himegoto wrote...

puldalpha wrote...

You mean to tell me that the Asari Huntress is worse then the regular Male human Infiltrator and the FQI? I fail to see how the character with the best "fire and forget" power can be worse then the cryo blast user or the sabofail user.

Then you also have the Turian Sentinal, the most versitile character in the game, as a B-tier character while the Drellguard is "top-tier." I can't take you seriously at all if your thinking that is how it really works.

Using DOT as a primary is laughable. It sounds to me you have no idea how to spec / play the QFI and HI.

And I'm guessing you're a silver player if you consider the Tsent > the Drellguard.

Condecending much? Never stated that i use the DOT as a primary way of attack, but considering it takes down banshees fairly well on its own on gold it is more useful then you give credit. All i know is the huntress is a much better character then the QFI and HI who have to rely on nades (and in the case of humans cryo blast) to do much to a large group of enemies.

In regards to the Tsent being much better then the drellguard, are you taking into consideration the amount of skill required to do well with characters or only looking at their spawn nuking capabilities? Spawn nuking of course the drellguard wins, but in overall suvivability and team synergy, the Tsent wins hand down. The ability to have 50% damage reduction, work well with tech and biotics, and also use almost any gun effectively makes him a much better character and is easier to use with much less risks.

At MAX potential the drell vangaurd will run circles (literally) around a turian sentinel. This isn't a debate.

Full biotic team or not, drell vangaurd wins, hands down, no question.

Yes maybe at MAX potential, but a vast majority of cases, the turian sentinal is a much better option then the drell vanguard. I'd rather take a PUG with a turian sentinal then a PUG with a drell vanguard that probably doesn't know what they are doing and are downed every wave.

Don't concede the "MAX potential" part of his point.  It's a laughable statement.  At "MAX potential" a Turian Sentinel will score as many if not more points than a Drellguard and won't go down once in a match.  

So.... you concede "won't go down" as part of this point instead of "max potential"  this is ridiculous.

Not even to mention the turian sentinel moves like a slow turd down a clogged toilet.

The turian sentinel is a jack-of-all trades character. When bioware first came out with "baldur's gate" they called this class a "Bard." He too was a jack-of-all trades... These classes are never the best but are always good.

If anyone is on Xbox, i welcome them to play a match where we play a drellgaurd vs a Turian sentinel, if you feel the sentinel is that much better.

These kinds of challenges always make me laugh.  You outscoring me Drellguard vs. Turian Sentinel or vice versa would have far more to do with who is the better player than the kits themselves.  In other words it would mean nothing.  Bottom line is that they are comparably powered classes if played right.  Your take on the Turian Sentinel tells me you either a) don't like it because it's slow or haven't played it much.  It's universally known as one of the best all-around classes in the game.  Period. 

[Hiero Glyph]

himegoto wrote...

Anyone arguing the Acolyte are now better with charge up time and faster RoF is just trying to be one special snowflake.
Using powers with an Instant-fire Acolyte does not intervene with each other and will always give you that immediate answer to sitations in field.

Statements like this are exactly why this tier listing is entirely biased.  For the record, weapons and equipment should not even be factored into the tiers as every class has access to them.  If a class has no way to strip shields or barriers then that is a negative that must be counted against the class.  Whether or not the Acolyte needs to be charged does not affect the class in question, only how the player must adapt to using the weapon itself.

[Kalas Magnus]

Meh, I think you did an ok job listing the characters. 

It is shocking seeing the drell vanguard higher than the adept though.

Modifié par Kalas321, 29 décembre 2012 - 12:13 .

[Zyzimorph]

Your B tier is way off

[Flardan]

himegoto wrote...

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B
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Ex-cerb Adept
Asari Adept
Volus Vanguard
Quarian Marksman Sol
Salarian Engi
Human Vanguard
Batarian Vanguard
Asari Huntress
Turian Sol*
Turian Sentinel
Turian Havoc
Batarian Sentinel

Sorry that I have to step in and do this... but you leave me no choice.

This video invalidates your B-listing of the Turian Soldier.

[T41rdEye]

Feneckus wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

himegoto wrote...

(original) Turians ?
- Without sugar-coating anything, Bad kits. Viable, but bad.

This.

Turian Soldier and Sentinel bad kits ? What a joke.

[Scottus4]

This list seems pretty bad.

[Original Twigman]

Atheosis wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

puldalpha wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

puldalpha wrote...

himegoto wrote...

puldalpha wrote...

You mean to tell me that the Asari Huntress is worse then the regular Male human Infiltrator and the FQI? I fail to see how the character with the best "fire and forget" power can be worse then the cryo blast user or the sabofail user.

Then you also have the Turian Sentinal, the most versitile character in the game, as a B-tier character while the Drellguard is "top-tier." I can't take you seriously at all if your thinking that is how it really works.

Using DOT as a primary is laughable. It sounds to me you have no idea how to spec / play the QFI and HI.

And I'm guessing you're a silver player if you consider the Tsent > the Drellguard.

Condecending much? Never stated that i use the DOT as a primary way of attack, but considering it takes down banshees fairly well on its own on gold it is more useful then you give credit. All i know is the huntress is a much better character then the QFI and HI who have to rely on nades (and in the case of humans cryo blast) to do much to a large group of enemies.

In regards to the Tsent being much better then the drellguard, are you taking into consideration the amount of skill required to do well with characters or only looking at their spawn nuking capabilities? Spawn nuking of course the drellguard wins, but in overall suvivability and team synergy, the Tsent wins hand down. The ability to have 50% damage reduction, work well with tech and biotics, and also use almost any gun effectively makes him a much better character and is easier to use with much less risks.

At MAX potential the drell vangaurd will run circles (literally) around a turian sentinel. This isn't a debate.

Full biotic team or not, drell vangaurd wins, hands down, no question.

Yes maybe at MAX potential, but a vast majority of cases, the turian sentinal is a much better option then the drell vanguard. I'd rather take a PUG with a turian sentinal then a PUG with a drell vanguard that probably doesn't know what they are doing and are downed every wave.

Don't concede the "MAX potential" part of his point.  It's a laughable statement.  At "MAX potential" a Turian Sentinel will score as many if not more points than a Drellguard and won't go down once in a match.  

So.... you concede "won't go down" as part of this point instead of "max potential"  this is ridiculous.

Not even to mention the turian sentinel moves like a slow turd down a clogged toilet.

The turian sentinel is a jack-of-all trades character. When bioware first came out with "baldur's gate" they called this class a "Bard." He too was a jack-of-all trades... These classes are never the best but are always good.

If anyone is on Xbox, i welcome them to play a match where we play a drellgaurd vs a Turian sentinel, if you feel the sentinel is that much better.

These kinds of challenges always make me laugh.  You outscoring me Drellguard vs. Turian Sentinel or vice versa would have far more to do with who is the better player than the kits themselves.  In other words it would mean nothing.  Bottom line is that they are comparably powered classes if played right.  Your take on the Turian Sentinel tells me you either a) don't like it because it's slow or haven't played it much.  It's universally known as one of the best all-around classes in the game.  Period. 

Geez... thats the point. It supposed to be much better in capable hands, regardless of the kit. Your main point is that "i haven't played him much" is drowned in assumption, and your "universal" statement can be countered with the same opinion with the Drell Vanguard. Lastly, you diminish your own point/preference acknowledging that the Turian Sentinel is slow, which is such a crucial factor, if not one of the most important when considering optimal performance as it dictates how fast you can move from one enemy to another. Assuming you aren't exploiting the warp/incendiary ammo bug which isn't an intentional feature of the kit itself, The drell can kill faster and move from enemy to enemy faster. Period

[Original Twigman]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Also, statistics are just a single perspective that leaves out many key elements.

NNNGGGGHH!

Statistics are tools to collect data. It's as flawed and biased as it's wielder.

Yeah... not sure why you are repeating what I said, unless of course you are under the assumption that "data" extracted from statistics paint the entire picture, which it does not.

Not even sure why you added that last sentance as it has nothing to do with what I said.

[FlowCytometry]

Well, I give you credit for having the cajones to post your own tier list, man. Noone is going to agree with you (including me ex. KV too high- unless all you fight are non-plat Geth?, Batguard and TSo/Se and GSo too low, DV and VorSo too high, etc), but that's a given.

Imo since there's so many confounding variables its better to not have strict ranks but more dynamic ranges and sub-catagories, like 'best vs. reapers', 'best with biotic primers', best on glacier_rio' etc, or at least notes on each class that further explain their placement and potential variances. Like the FQE has huge variance depending on faction (reapers? Awesome. other factions? not so much), or, say, if you have an all tech team w/ the TSabo he becomes a bit better, or like how many grenaders are being paired w/ a grenade class (and which maps influence this most for better or worse?), etc..

Anyways, the perfect tier list is impossible, but good luck getting there

[lilbino34]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

himegoto wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

What exactly makes you think the Kroguard is god tier?

Several classes exceed him in DPS. Are we considering DPS/survivability or some screwed up combo of them? Bottomline there are several excellent classes in this game with only a few that need some buffs to help them.

Standing there in front of the enemies soaking up damage and abusing the DPS from a Reegar.
Uptime to deal DPS.

So any character I can put the Reegar on and stay alive is a god tier character? The QMI, GI, TGI are all great DPS character regardless of the weapon put on them. The Kroguard has to have a Reegar to be effective. I can put a Reegar on pretty much any infiltrator and destroy, even a super squishy drell


super squishy drell.......that's fighting words nuc

[BeardyMcGoo]

Scottus4 wrote...

This list seems pretty bad.

Because it is.

[corporal doody]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[LemurFromTheId]

Turian Soldier and Asari Huntress in the same tier as Salarian Engineer, and Female Quarian Engineer in a lower tier as Salarian Engineer?

I like Salarian Engineer a lot, I'm not biased against him, but... seriously?

[Star fury]

Himegoto and his hilariously crap tier list... I thought he would have understood when his first list was ripped to shreds.

[khannoir]

This list is bad and you should feel bad.

I think by general consensus you got a few things right, but man what you got wrong...

just no.

[Knockingbr4in]

I don't see the Shadow anywhere in that list.

Oh wait, it's actually there. Forget this post.

Modifié par Knockingbr4in, 29 décembre 2012 - 09:24 .

[Flambirex]

The Huntress is laughably underrated on this list.

[Ryumanjisen]

Valiantheart99 wrote...

But where does Infiltration's Akuma rank on the list?

I've heard Hacket doesn't allow him to participate in N7 operations. It would be too easy, with Gouki demon flipping Banshees to the dead.

On a more serious note, I don't think tier lists are useful in a cooperative game. In fighting games, for example, they are based in facts. Here, this tier list is only based on your general assumptions and opinions.

Besides, your list has way more  top and high tier characters than "normal" ones. That's.. strange.

[OneTrueShot]

Weirdness. I forgot to wash my hands.

[OD-Dragon]

If you judge by maximum effectiveness, wouldn't the batarian vanguard be on the same level of power as the Kroguard? I would also argue about the listing of the adepts, especially listing the Ex-cerb adept as B tier, but I am sure others have already pointed out many of these oddities in your list already.

Having the original turians in the B list, especially the soldier, makes me wonder what exactly you mean with the term max potential here.