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[lionsol]

SI with the black widow is on top

[KalilKareem]

giwigiwigiwigiwi wrote...


Asari Huntress Infiltrator only [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">B? I don't think a 270k character(22min Platinum) deserves ]B.[/color]

Gah. Where are all the points comming from? We were running platinums on dagger last night, extracting in approx 28 min, and everyone was at 130k, so our point total was like half of what you got there. Are you guys nuking spawns during objective waves?

Edit: also, this tier list is C tier.

Modifié par KalilKareem, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:38 .

[SectiplaveB4]

It looks fairly accurate considering what Tier list is.

My main gripe is the Huntress, I would have thought she'd be A rank myself.

[lzjblade]

KalilKareem wrote...

giwigiwigiwigiwi wrote...


Asari Huntress Infiltrator only [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">B? I don't think a 270k character(22min Platinum) deserves ]B.[/color]

Gah. Where are all the points comming from? We were running platinums on dagger last night, extracting in approx 28 min, and everyone was at 130k, so our point total was like half of what you got there. Are you guys nuking spawns during objective waves?

Edit: also, this tier list is C tier.

Power combo gain much more points than melee and gun, so if you guys were playing class rely mostly on guns it was possible you got fewer points. And also yes, we were nuking spawns in objective waves and wave 9,10:wizard:

[Original Twigman]

^^^^okay, so the score doesn't mean much...

My guess is that you

A) milked objective waves (i.e. killing enemies rather than just missiling targets, or breaking from hack points, slow devices, etc.)
were much better than your counterparts

If you are able to "score" that high on platinum, then you should be able to complete it much faster.

Modifié par Original Stikman, 30 décembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[J4mes]

Turian Soldier put so low. LOL.

And Nova Vanguard can basically solo anything w/o trying if you know what you are doing.

[heybigmoney]

This list is just.....ugh.

[krknight]

is it just me, or do OP's god tier characters need weapons?

[Steppdaddy2]

Turian sent should be S or higher...

[Original Twigman]

krknight wrote...

is it just me, or do OP's god tier characters need weapons?

would you say that some of the best kits in the game shouldn't need them?

[krknight]

Original Stikman wrote...

krknight wrote...

is it just me, or do OP's god tier characters need weapons?

would you say that some of the best kits in the game shouldn't need them?

no, i'm saying that the tier list doesn't give enough credit to builds that wreck house on gold/platinum that don't need weapons.  ie, some of the best kits in the game don't need them.

[Original Twigman]

krknight wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

krknight wrote...

is it just me, or do OP's god tier characters need weapons?

would you say that some of the best kits in the game shouldn't need them?

no, i'm saying that the tier list doesn't give enough credit to builds that wreck house on gold/platinum that don't need weapons.  ie, some of the best kits in the game don't need them.

Like?

[krknight]

well, he has two biotics above middle tier. one of which relies heavily on weapons (kroguard) and the other on grenades (drellguard). he has the fury as mid-tier and the novaguard as below mid although both can wreck house without weapons or grenades.

although the GI can do well with most any weapon, a fury would do just as well, if not better with most of the weapons available. doesn't n-7 link currently have one of the fastest platinum solo times with a fury?

anyway, when compiling a tier list, characters that do well in most any hands is important sure. but overall potential should also be a mitigating factor if not the most weighted one.

[joker_jack]

Original Stikman wrote...

krknight wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

krknight wrote...

is it just me, or do OP's god tier characters need weapons?

would you say that some of the best kits in the game shouldn't need them?

no, i'm saying that the tier list doesn't give enough credit to builds that wreck house on gold/platinum that don't need weapons.  ie, some of the best kits in the game don't need them.

Like?

Geth Solider, Vorcha Solider, melee huntress.

I swear this teiring crap is just that, crap.

[Original Twigman]

krknight wrote...

well, he has two biotics above middle tier. one of which relies heavily on weapons (kroguard) and the other on grenades (drellguard). he has the fury as mid-tier and the novaguard as below mid although both can wreck house without weapons or grenades.

although the GI can do well with most any weapon, a fury would do just as well, if not better with most of the weapons available. doesn't n-7 link currently have one of the fastest platinum solo times with a fury?

anyway, when compiling a tier list, characters that do well in most any hands is important sure. but overall potential should also be a mitigating factor if not the most weighted one.

Most of your reasoning is fine, however each kit relies heavily on something, so I don't think thats the way to go about it.

However the bolded stumped me. The fury, while great, is a step below the GI, very few can compete with him.

[giwigiwigiwigiwi]

KalilKareem wrote...

giwigiwigiwigiwi wrote...


Asari Huntress Infiltrator only [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">B? I don't think a 270k character(22min Platinum) deserves ]B.[/color]

Gah. Where are all the points comming from? We were running platinums on dagger last night, extracting in approx 28 min, and everyone was at 130k, so our point total was like half of what you got there. Are you guys nuking spawns during objective waves?

Edit: also, this tier list is C tier.

like lzjblade said, a biotic kill earn more points than a gun/melee kill. My 5 missles were used at wave 6, wave 8x2(nuke spawn), nuke 10x2(nuke spawn). 

An even faster game. 

I was playing GI, also 5 missles all used, yet I only earned 210k. Gun kills do earn less points.

Modifié par giwigiwigiwigiwi, 30 décembre 2012 - 09:48 .

[krknight]

Original Stikman wrote...


Most of your reasoning is fine, however each kit relies heavily on something, so I don't think thats the way to go about it.

However the bolded stumped me. The fury, while great, is a step below the GI, very few can compete with him.

what?  GI relies heavily on weapons, yet the fury can out damage him equipped with the same gun in most cases and yet he's two full tiers (not a step mind you) above her?  

how is that not an argument against?  how well would any of the god tiers do going into a match only equipped with an acolyte?  not enough weight is given to characters that don't need weapons.

[Original Twigman]

krknight wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...


Most of your reasoning is fine, however each kit relies heavily on something, so I don't think thats the way to go about it.

However the bolded stumped me. The fury, while great, is a step below the GI, very few can compete with him.

what?  GI relies heavily on weapons, yet the fury can out damage him equipped with the same gun in most cases and yet he's two full tiers (not a step mind you) above her?  

how is that not an argument against?  how well would any of the god tiers do going into a match only equipped with an acolyte?  not enough weight is given to characters that don't need weapons.

You keep arguing "without weapons." It isn't a valid argument because all kits have the same access to the same non-specific-power tools (gear, weapons, consumables, mods, etc.). I could very well say "if you didn't use your powers" and flip it around, but that would be silly. To also have "support for your argument by suggesting that the kits should be compared by using the same weapons is also ridiculous.

You also seem to be lumping me in agreement with OP's list, which i never said i agreed with.

I won't argue that the GI has more potential than the fury with you. Its not a sustainable argument.

[krknight]

Original Stikman wrote...

You keep arguing "without weapons." It isn't a valid argument because all kits have the same access to the same non-specific-power tools (gear, weapons, consumables, mods, etc.). I could very well say "if you didn't use your powers" and flip it around, but that would be silly. To also have "support for your argument by suggesting that the kits should be compared by using the same weapons is also ridiculous.

You also seem to be lumping me in agreement with OP's list, which i never said i agreed with.

I won't argue that the GI has more potential than the fury with you. Its not a sustainable argument.

okay, now you're just trolling.  

if you can't see the importance of how well a class can do after subtracting all outside factors that are universally available to all the characters, then i'm wasting my breath.  

powers are the largest factor in concerns to the uniqueness of each character, not weapons.  even health and shields plays a larger role in a character's uniqueness than weapons.  anyway, powers should carry much more weight in factoring tiers.  anything readily available to any character should not take precedence over things that are not.  

since a harrier X on any character makes that character a strong character, it should not be the determining factor for what makes a character good.  now if how well a character wields the harrier X is a determining factor, then so should how said character does with an acolyte X, a mantis X, and all other weapons as long as it's the same weapon and at the same level.  

if one is going to make the argument that the top tier characters should be based on how well they do with the top 5 guns in the game, then one also has to make the argument on how well a character does with all of the other guns available.  

[celuloid]

Well, what is exactly The Maximum Potential that OP throws around so much?
Slap Black Widow X on anyone, headshot everything, there is your maximum potential.
By this logic, Infiltrators > everyone else.
Don't whine when there is no tank around to revive you when you get whipped by Dragoons.

[MuKen]

himegoto wrote...
Anyone arguing the Acolyte are now better with charge up time and faster RoF is just trying to be one special snowflake.
Using powers with an Instant-fire Acolyte does not intervene with each other and will always give you that immediate answer to sitations in field.

Such statements of complete ignorance make it hard to value your opinion on anything.  Charge weapons are instant-fire too if you are capable of handling the monumentally difficult task of holding a charge while you are waiting to fire.

In addition to having the advantage of being able to be fired DURING the animations of powers and fire without breaking cloak.

[KalilKareem]

celuloid wrote...

Well, what is exactly The Maximum Potential that OP throws around so much?
Slap Black Widow X on anyone, headshot everything, there is your maximum potential.
By this logic, Infiltrators > everyone else.
Don't whine when there is no tank around to revive you when you get whipped by Dragoons.

In a maxed manifest context infiltrators are pretty much the top tier tbh. If that "tank" had instead had enough dps to kill the dragoon before it reached us no revive would be neccessary. I dont particularily like it, but in this game the best "support" you can give the dps classes is more dps.

[celuloid]

KalilKareem wrote...

celuloid wrote...

Well, what is exactly The Maximum Potential that OP throws around so much?
Slap Black Widow X on anyone, headshot everything, there is your maximum potential.
By this logic, Infiltrators > everyone else.
Don't whine when there is no tank around to revive you when you get whipped by Dragoons.

In a maxed manifest context infiltrators are pretty much the top tier tbh. If that "tank" had instead had enough dps to kill the dragoon before it reached us no revive would be neccessary. I dont particularily like it, but in this game the best "support" you can give the dps classes is more dps.

I meant, if the Maximum Potential fails (which of course does not ever happen), there is a need for someone who did not unlock his Maximum Potential yet and can pull off explosions quickly. Or another Infiltrator :happy:.

[Kittstalkur]

VIC villanous wrote...

Batguard plays just like kroguard except it can be staggered by four enemies. I would also put the drell infiltrator in god tier. I mean you can spec him for damage, spam both grenades and then shoot to break cloak. He's rediculously OP and will probably be nerfed soon. I agree about the huntress. Her lack of a weapon damage multiplier puts her below the other infiltrators IMHO

The problem with doing a melee kroguard is the charge has issues with locking on correctly. Not to mention it'll miss in more than a few special cases, like stasised targets. The BBV is much, much more effective for a melee focus, also in part because it's not reliant on maintaining two buffs, only one (Martial Artist, instead of Martial Artist and Rage).

That, and the BBV hits for about 1000 more damage without MA active, compared to a Kroguard with MA/Rage inactive, with a shotgun with an Omniblade and Berserker V. Kroguard only approaches BBV damage when Rage is active with Martial Arts.