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[StElmo]

I try to make constructive posts on this board in the hopes that BioWare may take into account my thoughts.

I genuinely like the directio they have taken the ending, but I have a few points I would absolutely love to see patched up, just to tie everything together.

However, whenever I make one of these threads, a small group of awful people start making personal comments about devs without any basis, they make awful comments hating on BioWare and ultimately, they aren't tactful - which makes me sad.

It makes me sad because I am offering criticism that I hope will be taken into account, but at the same time I know BW probably see all these other posts along side it which seem a bit too mean, or not really pleasent enough to take notice.

We have to remember there are people making these games and we should respect that. As someone who makes games, I would also appreciate that from my audience if I ever am lucky enough to have on like BW.

I admit I am guilty of some passionate posts earlier in the year, but I try not to make anything seem mean or personal, because it has no basis and if anyone says anything with that kind of tone, its best ignored as they are misinformed.

Nobody knows the real truth about what happened, and even if they did, they shouldn't sink so low as to be jerks when criticising aspects of the game.

Thanks

<3 to all you guys at BioWare and I hope you don't feel disheartened

Modifié par StElmo, 10 janvier 2013 - 01:04 .

[Iakus]

If I didn't feel passionately about what i think, I wouldn't post here.

But I do try to keep things clear and respectful

[Versus Omnibus]

A little bit, but only regarding where I insulted the developers just for the sake of insulting.

[ld1449]

Not at all on my part.

[dreamgazer]

Criticism? No.

Hyperbolic acid-spewing? Yeah, I would. There's a significant difference between the two, but apparently both are commonly accepted because of "teh interwebz" or whatever.

[ld1449]

Furthermore I've written works on the internet. The criticism can be EXTREMELY harsh.

UNLESS

You do things well. In which case the criticism is few and far between. This idea that the Internet is a cesspool of unjust hatred is something of an exaggeration. If the hatred exists, its for a reason. To dismiss it outright is detrimental. Anyone who does, does not wish to grow as a creator of "intellectual" works. Which is, or should, ultimately be the goal of the writers artists and designers of whatever project in question.

Modifié par ld1449, 29 décembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[TheWerdna]

Criticism, no. Though I do sorta feel bad for them as a result of many people just attacking and insulting Bioware as a whole rather then offering criticism in a mature manner.

[dreamgazer]

Meh. Even solid pieces of fiction are ravaged on the 'net by those who thrive on attention and tear popular things down for the sake of doing so. It can be done with practically anything narrative-based and/or creative; the difference rests in how the criticism is voiced.

[thehomeworld]

If you feel guilty about offering creative criticism then get off the bsn it's obviously not a place for you.

[StElmo]

thehomeworld wrote...

If you feel guilty about offering creative criticism then get off the bsn it's obviously not a place for you.

huh?

[Mr.House]

Nope. If I think something is lacking, sucks, needed more work or is just trash I will criticize it. They are a company making a product that consumers buy.

[Maniccc]

I don't feel bad at all. Criticism is the means by which we improve.

Modifié par Maniccc, 29 décembre 2012 - 06:16 .

[Shadow Storm]

<3 DEATH TO BIOWARE lol

In truth critisism of either the game content, moderators or actual Bioware employees has a mix of good and bad. Good in the fact that if we did not complain then nothing would get done it is as simple as that. When the fans critisise something with such passion then i would imagine that is the Bioware's cue to say "Hang on maybe we should listen to what they have to say and really take it on board". If they choose ignore this then they stand to upset that target audience nothing they say is going to change that.

As a professional developer or someone of authority (moderator) they are all called upon to take all critism constructively wether they agree with it or not and in a professonal manner without biting back. You should not feel bad for offering critisism because in essence all you are doing is trying to, in your view, offer a way to better our gaming experience which is respectable. Out of school i worked as the Head Barrista for a local coffee shop/resteraunt. No matter how hard the team would try there was always that one person that would be particularly nasty towards one of the staff.

Every time we chose to ignore those people's insults because in the end we knew we did the best we could. In the event something really was not correct we would be the first to admit it and would try to work with them to produce a satisfactory outcome. An example of where Bioware failed is this. The ending which was an event where the greater community was not satisfied with the outcome yet instead of admitting to their failures and catering to both sides by offering the choice (which is a fundemental part of the ME experience that the community knows and loves) to simply fight they chose to both deny the failure on their part and offered another bad coffee so to speak. Yes that would cause upset but that is what they signed up for and it is them that are going to have to either ignore it or deal with it in a professional manner. 

[d1ta]

Constructive Criticism is needed, other wise how can we improve? And as long you still play nice even when you are dissagreeing, being respectful even when the debate becomes heated then why not? There are many brilliant minds here in the bsn too, discussing several aspects in what they like or don't like within the game which generates many interesting ideas and it's always interesting seeing other people's perspective when engage in a civilised discussion.

However, when people starts to throw venom, acid flasks and name calling to each other, that's when I usually leave the thread or ignore it completely. My spare time is not infinite, so I'd rather be looking for things that I like and not wasting my time feeling angry, LoL.

[Lyrandori]

I do not feel bad for offering "criticism". The thing is on an individual basis we don't actually know when (and if) our "criticism" - however constructive it may be - is taken into consideration "by BioWare", if anything. It's not like I would get to post something thoughtful and have completely "valid points" (even if said points are subjectively valid) only to be replied directly by a BioWare employee (and not a moderator) either within the thread itself or by private messaging and being told that my "criticism" was indeed taken into consideration for their own future brainstorming on various game-play mechanics, for instance.

I mean, I have no idea nor any proof or confirmation whatsoever, other than maybe a 5-stars rating of my thread (when and if that's the case, even though by itself that doesn't mean anything other than Mr. Joe random people rating it) that my criticism was useful in the end. So, with all that in mind when I do "offer criticism" I know that chances are it will be forgotten the moment the post or the thread hits the second page of the BSN forums, and for whatever amount of time it was on the first page chances are that whomever may have read my post (or my thread) might "think about it" for a moment, comment on it (probably negatively so, as usual) and then forget about it in a matter of minutes.

Because of that, mostly (although not exclusively because of that alone) I feel nothing specific about offering my criticism when I do. I just throw it around for whatever it's worth, and if by pure coincidence some employee at BioWare (who happens to be part of the Mass Effect team, or not) reads whatever I posted then... good I guess (and chances are I'll never see a reply from that employee anyway). And, as far as being annoyed or even "afraid" of other random mooks' negative comments around I really don't care, to be honest, since everyone is entitled to their opinions anyway, be it them disagreeing with me (immaturely or not) or just telling me that "it doesn't make sense".

I mean, in the end what can I do? Tell them they're wrong and I'm right? Not really... I can just shrug their comments off though and just think for myself "whatever, I still think I'm right, but if they think I'm wrong and it makes them happy then so be it". If not, then I'm telling myself "alright, maybe I was wrong after all", but then if I come back in my thread to retcon my ideas then I'm labeled "contradicting" (as if we can't feasibly change our own opinions and we are automatically contradicting ourselves and become inconsistent in our thoughts pattern).

Modifié par Lyrandori, 29 décembre 2012 - 06:40 .

[Grubas]

Sorry but bioware was really calm and though many well thought-out posts were floating around devs decided not to come out and talk. Seriously there were many offers to talk and they all have been slapped.

[Archonsg]

One of the reasons why I love Babylon 5, there's a saying ftom that show that goes; "Understanding is a three edged sword. Your side, thier side and the truth."

BSN is like that.

[Massa FX]

Being critical can be healing. BW knows this. They also know they've hurt their fanbase. Without people letting them know when they've made a mistake, how do they grow?

I don't feel bad. I feel empowered to know I spoke my mind on issues I care about.

[LucasShark]

Most of the time I do try to keep things constructive: but when you are dealing with something this utterly putrid, there really often isn't a nice way to say things: there isn't a tactful way to say "this is garbage and here's why".

[Rafficus III]

Personally, no. I say this because I understand the fine line between blurring emotions with the facts, keeping the objective and subjective in their respective boundaries, and what is criticism and what is simply an insult. For the most part, I'm harsher towards the BSN community than Bioware. I've given adequate, well-thought out, and respectful posts when dishing out my criticisms so I have nothing to feel sorry about. Though I do think many mistake their brazen insults as classy critiques, and that is unfortunate as Bioware deserves better and BSN deserves a better voice than that.

TC, while I may not agree with you on certain views, you are one of the better well-known critics. By better I mean classier. I respect the constructive thinking on your part.

[XXIceColdXX]

The unfinished story threads, plot holes and endings we got, they needed some criticism and you shouldn't feel bad about it if done respectfully.

Their whole twitter silence thing and screening all the questions they were to be asked at conventions didn't help Bioware's situation.

[Kia Purity]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

The unfinished story threads, plot holes and endings we got, they needed some criticism and you shouldn't feel bad about it if done respectfully.

Their whole twitter silence thing and screening all the questions they were to be asked at conventions didn't help Bioware's situation.

This. The silence thing just makes people feel like they're not being listened to.

How the hell can Bioware get that good faith back?

[Zekka]

Why would I feel bad for criticizing them. After all I payed $60 for their game and I was dissatisfied. Then I post on their forums because after all they say they are listening, but at the end it feels like they ignore the fans on their own forums and continue with the same mistakes and keep hyping their games and misleading their fans.

Modifié par leslie2233, 29 décembre 2012 - 07:45 .