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[Indy_S]

Human Revolution also had to deal with the fact that all four of its endings had to lead into DE1 anyway. Prequels really suck in that regard.

Part of the problem between the Mass Effect games is the tonal shift between them. Mass Effect 1 is 'talky and techy', almost like Star Trek in that regard. Mass Effect 2 is 'talky and shooty', where an action movie pacing is more used, closer to Star Wars or maybe Battlestar Galactica. Mass Effect 3 is 'shooty and set-pieces' during a mission, like Halo, but 'talky' whenever Shepard is not holding a gun. It's so dissonant. And then it ends on a long 'talky and techy' scene and it doesn't feel like an intentional callback.

[ioannisdenton]

"Does Anyone Else Feel Bad For Offering Criticism? "
Shrot answer No.

We are getting near to one year anniversary and the game is dead.
We are still arguing instead of playing.
This was not the case with Me2 which i played 7 times in one year, i just kept coming back to it.
With Me3 All my love for ME wears off and off.

I was thinking that DA2 was the worst game of bioware and all of a sudden this is not the case; returning to DA2 after ME3 is a blast: REAL DIALOGUE, always 3 or more dialogues choices, more emotional impact (hawke's siblings, hawke's mother, Fenriel and others), and better chain of events.
DA2 feels coherent whereas in ME3 all happen too fast and often seem disjointed.
We critisised DA2 actio0n approach... LOL, now DA2 seems to have an ideal ratio of Combat and dialogue, all you have to do is to just play Me3.

Modifié par ioannisdenton, 07 janvier 2013 - 11:58 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

JamesFaith wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Traditional endings don't do that?  You either got ending A(blue), B(green), or C(red) with a "legendary ending" of Shepard taking a breath in ending C and "bad ending" of everyone dying/heavy earth damage in ending C (and perhaps some of the other letters).  But ultimately, it's still 3 basic endings that end with everyone being dead by the time the old man is talking.

Is there more sophistication than that in the actual ending (note I'm not talking about the choice leading up to the ending, but the actual ending)?

No, you were given different options based on your EMS.

You can get only worst Destroy where Earth is destroyed.
You can get only bad Control or worst Destroy.
And so on...

So by your words you can get only A, or only A and B.... not ABC everytime.

You always only get one ending based on your choices (one of 3... Control/Synthesis/Destroy).  You can't pick 2+endings at once.

Traditional ending mostly offers same options for everyone who reach the end (BG: Throne of Bhaal)  or you followed path to one predictible end for longer part of game, where is no way back (Fallout: Las Vegas, Jade Empire). In this meaning there aren't traditional endings in ME3, when these options and their quality is uknown during first playthrough, when you didn't check their prerequisites on web.


And to that variety and sophistication - its ammount is purely subjective for everyone. You considered them identical - your choice. But for some people and especially for those, who created them, is big difference between anihilated Earth, crippled Earth and saved Earth.

It ultimately depends on how you define an ending... as there are still 3 basic endings, with a few variables contained in each of the 3 (Control, Synthesis, Destroy).  Heck we even call the endings by those names...

Other games have done this, and other games have had a "bad" or "lengedary" ending/easter egg variable.

With regards to the state of the Earth, there is a big fundamental difference between the 3, but the ending of ME3 didn't dwell on those differences.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:34 .

[JamesFaith]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

No, you were given different options based on your EMS.

You can get only worst Destroy where Earth is destroyed.
You can get only bad Control or worst Destroy.
And so on...

So by your words you can get only A, or only A and B.... not ABC everytime.

You always only get one ending based on your choices (one of 3... Control/Synthesis/Destroy).  You can't pick 2+endings at once.

Did I ever said that you can pick more then one ending? 

No.

Casey's claim was about number of ending options, from which you can choose your ending, and that their number and quality differ with every "non perfect EMS" playthrough and that you can't known, what and how many ending options you'll get, until you reach end, unless you have some EMS manual. 

Secret endings have nothing to do with this.

[SpamBot2000]

chemiclord wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

-Pre-release hype that 'promised' to have an ending that does things it flat out did not do (such as providing answers, closure, not being A-B-C, and not being open-ended).

This statement here is actually part of the problem... it was a statement ripped entirely out of its original context and claimed to be a lie, that spread like wildfire and would have been thrown like a molotov cocktail at his face had he come forward and tried any sort of discourse.

Have you read the entire interview?  Or even the entire answer to the question posed?

And have you read the question it was an answer to? The guy was singling out the variations in the ME2 'Suicide Mission' for praise and asked if there was going to be something like that in 3. Which Mr. Hudson answered by hyping up the 'sophistication' of the 'non A, B , C' endings. The implication was pretty crystal clear to me: if you thought the SM was a sophisticated mission, wait 'til you get a load of the new, improved mechanic that's in store for you in ME3.

And it turned out to be 'pick A, B or C, no matter how you played the whole series'. 

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 08 janvier 2013 - 07:22 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

JamesFaith wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

No, you were given different options based on your EMS.

You can get only worst Destroy where Earth is destroyed.
You can get only bad Control or worst Destroy.
And so on...

So by your words you can get only A, or only A and B.... not ABC everytime.

You always only get one ending based on your choices (one of 3... Control/Synthesis/Destroy).  You can't pick 2+endings at once.

Did I ever said that you can pick more then one ending? 

No.

Casey's claim was about number of ending options, from which you can choose your ending, and that their number and quality differ with every "non perfect EMS" playthrough and that you can't known, what and how many ending options you'll get, until you reach end, unless you have some EMS manual. 

Secret endings have nothing to do with this.

You said the endings were "not ABC everytime."  I was telling you that (every single time) the ending a player gets is always A, B, or C (whether you're forced into one of them or not, and whether the Earth survives in it or not).

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 09 janvier 2013 - 10:40 .

[Obadiah]

Casey's point in that interview was that the ending wasn't the final choice the player made, but the state of the galaxy as a whole. Players did not see that in the original ending, so the EC tried to add that in the epilogue images.

[AlexMBrennan]

It makes me sad because I am offering criticism that I hope will be taken into account, but at the same time I know BW probably see all these other posts along side it which seem a bit too mean, or not really pleasent enough to take notice.

But that's their job - do you seriously expect us to pity the poor, poor guys in marketing that have to deal with annoyed fans after deciding to lie to us to shift more units?

What's more, I have serious trouble having sympathy for the PR and marketing staff that are taking most of the flak - they chose this career; thing is, however, that PR and marketing are not your friend - the sole reason for their existence is to manipulate potential customers into spending more money. Excuse me for not wanting to be manipulated.

We have to remember there are people making these games and we should respect that. As someone who makes games, I would also appreciate that from my audience if I ever am lucky enough to have on

Do you feel that conmen need to be respected, too? After all they also put considerable effort into their work.
At the end of the day it's a very simple issue: Bioware promoted the game using incorrect information. That's not OK. All I want is for Bioware to follow the rules like every other company out there.

But since it's just a game, it's obviously OK to screw customers - Danone can't claim that yoghurt protects against the cold which is not proven, but Bioware can claim that it's possible for the Reapers to win which is provably false.

All the while, we keep getting called "entitled whiners" for demanding that then product match it's description and be fit for purpose.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 09 janvier 2013 - 04:38 .

[mopotter]

Guilty? No. Like some others, if I didn't care about the game I wouldn't bother complaining or critiquing or commenting anything. If i didn't like the company I wouldn't care what they do in the future. But I do care.

I loved ME1 and ME2. I cared about the story and the characters because the writers and programers are good and made me care about the story and characters.

ME3 could have been an amazing game, finishing Shepards 5 year story with multiple ending choices based on the objectives and choices from the first 2 games.

I did enjoy a lot in ME3, but instead of going with the type of ending I expected from previous experience, they went in a different direction and disappointed quite a few of their fans, including me. To the point that I didn't play more than a couple of times, unlike all other bioware games.

Taken as a stand alone game it would have been an ok game. But as a final to an epic story it was very disappointing.

[Mad-Hamlet]

[Violation of Rule #6 removed]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 10 janvier 2013 - 01:03 .

[StElmo]

Mad-Hamlet wrote...

Dear OP

you don't think the tone of BSN marrs all of our posts inadveredly?