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[Jadebaby]

vivaladricas wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

@viva, this is how I see it, (could be entirely wrong)

Consumer money goes to EA, EA funds BioWare projects, consumers buy BioWare products. Repeat.

That is correct.  I am sure there is red tape and randomness thrown in as well, but without paying consumers retailers certainly arent going to just buy all your stuff and stock their shelves cause they love a company or anything.  Stan is going through the chain of everything more or less, which is fine, but at the end of the day it really isn't complicated.  

Apparantly it was made out for me literally to be saying "we" employ Bioware.  My words being twisted like nipples IMO 


At least Stan in speaking with the peeps though.  Repsect.  

Yea, But i like the way Stan put it, because he took into account third party shares of the funds (retailers etc..)

That's why I bought my ME1 and 2 on steam for $12.49. Hoping EA doesn't see much of that.

BTW! Question for people in this thread.

Why in the beegeezus hell does ME1 have EA's logo slapped on it when starting up the game?

I'm absolutely appalled by this!

[Outsider edge]

vivaladricas wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

@viva, this is how I see it, (could be entirely wrong)

Consumer money goes to EA, EA funds BioWare projects, consumers buy BioWare products. Repeat.

That is correct.  I am sure there is red tape and randomness thrown in as well, but without paying consumers retailers certainly arent going to just buy all your stuff and stock their shelves cause they love a company or anything.  Stan is going through the chain of everything more or less, which is fine, but at the end of the day it really isn't complicated.  

Apparantly it was made out for me literally to be saying "we" employ Bioware.  My words being twisted like nipples IMO 


At least Stan in speaking with the peeps though.  Repsect.  

This is correct and there's even (albeit somewhat grey) recent example. Bioware originally intended for Dragon Age 2 too have an expansion like they did for Origins. This project was pretty far in production when it was canned presumably (if rumors were too be believed) because the interest from retail partners was low since their shelves still had alot of unsold and returned Dragon Age 2 copies on them due too the fallout that game had.

Modifié par Outsider edge, 29 décembre 2012 - 11:48 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

I don't feel bad at all for offering criticism. I can't help that a small group feels that I am kicking their dog. It's between their ears. Not mine. If critique is honest, it cannot be bad. The intention is to provide feedback and maybe it gets an heads up somewhere in a BW office. Who knows?

[Mathias]

I paid $80 for disappointment. No i don't feel bad. Nobody should ever feel bad for offering criticism. If Bioware can't take critcism, then that's on them.

[David7204]

Hopefully digital distribution will continue in the future. I read somewhere that developers get around $7.50 for a $60 game when they sell it conventionally, but over $30 when they sell it digitally. I think that might have been just Steam, though. Microsoft or Sony might take a bigger cut.

It's a shame many people are opposed to it for what I see as pretty pointless reasons. I read that the biggest reason is 'privacy concerns' about purchasing content online.

I have to wonder to myself if these people have never used online banking...?

Modifié par David7204, 29 décembre 2012 - 11:36 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

crimzontearz wrote...
they had ****loads of data from NUMEROUS polls and threads including internal ones. Nearly unanimously those who understood there was not going to be a rewrite after such as specified asked for a CLEAR reunion scene.....or a successful refusal. Result? no reunion scene AND Refusal is not even a real ending

awesome...who made that call again? what about the call to nit even give us concrete word of god?


and finally yes, my position is crystal clear and the more people I can dissuade from currently supporting bioware the better

Calm. Down. It's really hard to take you seriously with all those ****s and ****s all over the place. 

[JamesFaith]

crimzontearz wrote...
No ABC endings.

Full version of quote is:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." - Casey Hudson

And as I few times said, this can be easily intepreted that number of ending and their quality isn't set in stone for everyone and that it would depend on every playthrough, which is true, because not everyone got Synthetis and they are more variations of Destroy.

That "no ABC ending" is just simplified version losing its former meaning.

[crimzontearz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
they had ****loads of data from NUMEROUS polls and threads including internal ones. Nearly unanimously those who understood there was not going to be a rewrite after such as specified asked for a CLEAR reunion scene.....or a successful refusal. Result? no reunion scene AND Refusal is not even a real ending

awesome...who made that call again? what about the call to nit even give us concrete word of god?


and finally yes, my position is crystal clear and the more people I can dissuade from currently supporting bioware the better

Calm. Down. It's really hard to take you seriously with all those ****s and ****s all over the place. 

hey at least I am censoring myself

[Mathias]

Ninja Stan wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

1 they lied about MP, knowingly and I have an apology from Brenon Holmes to prove it. and even assuming it was all a misunderstanding they never even begun to publicly acknowledge it all while Chris simply,y went on saying it was being investigated (and there really was nothing to investigate)

You mean the EMS and MP being required? Okay, I'll give you that. That's one thing they may have "knowingly lied about pre-release." What else? You claimed there were "many" things.

How about when Casey said the ending wouldn't result in a choice of A, B and C? Or when Mac Walters said the Rachni's presence would have huge consequences in ME3, and would play a part in the final battle?

It's undeniable that they lied about a lot of things. The only reason you can't accuse them of textbook lying, is because there are loopholes that they can exploit. For example:

"Well....TECHNICALLY the Rachni did play a part in the final battle because they helped a bit in building the Crucible, which was a device that was used in the final battle."

or

"Well....TECHNICALLY if you stand in front of the Catalyst and do nothing you get a game over screen, which can be interpreted as a bad ending. So there actually is a D ending."

However, if you cut all the BS out. They lied. Pure and simple.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 29 décembre 2012 - 11:45 .

[Jadebaby]

David7204 wrote...

Hopefully digital distribution will continue in the future. I read somewhere that developers get around $7.50 for a $60 game when they sell it conventionally, but over $30 when they sell it digitally. I think that might have been just Steam, though. Microsoft or Sony might take a bigger cut.

It's a shame many people are opposed to it for what I see as pretty pointless reasons. I read that the biggest reason is 'privacy concerns' about purchasing content online.

I have to wonder to myself if these people have never used online banking...?

Exactly, exactly, why EA are considering going completely online distribution.

If this happens it will be through Origin (obviously) and if that happens, I hope they tank. I'm still really annoyed I have to download origin to play ME3 on PC. Such a scam.

[Jadebaby]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
they had ****loads of data from NUMEROUS polls and threads including internal ones. Nearly unanimously those who understood there was not going to be a rewrite after such as specified asked for a CLEAR reunion scene.....or a successful refusal. Result? no reunion scene AND Refusal is not even a real ending

awesome...who made that call again? what about the call to nit even give us concrete word of god?


and finally yes, my position is crystal clear and the more people I can dissuade from currently supporting bioware the better

Calm. Down. It's really hard to take you seriously with all those ****s and ****s all over the place. 

Same could be said for you when talking about GoW. And he only used it once... Unlike others...

[GreyLycanTrope]

I don't feel bad for calling it like I see it.

JamesFaith wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
No ABC endings.

Full version of quote is:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." - Casey Hudson

And as I few times said, this can be easily intepreted that number of ending and their quality isn't set in stone for everyone and that it would depend on every playthrough, which is true, because not everyone got Synthetis and they are more variations of Destroy.

That "no ABC ending" is just simplified version losing its former meaning.

A lot more variation and sophistication you say? I don't see it. Or do you mean destory has 3 control 2 and synthesis 1 varient?

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 29 décembre 2012 - 11:53 .

[Outsider edge]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Hopefully digital distribution will continue in the future. I read somewhere that developers get around $7.50 for a $60 game when they sell it conventionally, but over $30 when they sell it digitally. I think that might have been just Steam, though. Microsoft or Sony might take a bigger cut.

It's a shame many people are opposed to it for what I see as pretty pointless reasons. I read that the biggest reason is 'privacy concerns' about purchasing content online.

I have to wonder to myself if these people have never used online banking...?

Exactly, exactly, why EA are considering going completely online distribution.

If this happens it will be through Origin (obviously) and if that happens, I hope they tank. I'm still really annoyed I have to download origin to play ME3 on PC. Such a scam.

That will never go through. At least not for the foreseeable future. The consolemakers still hold the majority of the pie and they'll insist on hardcopies.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
they had ****loads of data from NUMEROUS polls and threads including internal ones. Nearly unanimously those who understood there was not going to be a rewrite after such as specified asked for a CLEAR reunion scene.....or a successful refusal. Result? no reunion scene AND Refusal is not even a real ending

awesome...who made that call again? what about the call to nit even give us concrete word of god?


and finally yes, my position is crystal clear and the more people I can dissuade from currently supporting bioware the better

Calm. Down. It's really hard to take you seriously with all those ****s and ****s all over the place. 

Same could be said for you when talking about GoW. And he only used it once... Unlike others...

You haven't seen his other posts then. Or maybe you just choose to ignore it. Probably that.

[JamesFaith]

Greylycantrope wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
No ABC endings.

Full version of quote is:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." - Casey Hudson

And as I few times said, this can be easily intepreted that number of ending and their quality isn't set in stone for everyone and that it would depend on every playthrough, which is true, because not everyone got Synthetis and they are more variations of Destroy.

That "no ABC ending" is just simplified version losing its former meaning.

A lot more variation and sophistication you say? I don't see it. Or do you mean destory has 3 control 2 and synthesis 1 varient?

Yes, I mean this.

Because there are big variations in them in their nature (destroyed Earth vs saved Earth is quite difference), just their visual execution is too mush similar. And there is no single word about great visual difference in this quote.

[crimzontearz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
they had ****loads of data from NUMEROUS polls and threads including internal ones. Nearly unanimously those who understood there was not going to be a rewrite after such as specified asked for a CLEAR reunion scene.....or a successful refusal. Result? no reunion scene AND Refusal is not even a real ending

awesome...who made that call again? what about the call to nit even give us concrete word of god?


and finally yes, my position is crystal clear and the more people I can dissuade from currently supporting bioware the better

Calm. Down. It's really hard to take you seriously with all those ****s and ****s all over the place. 

Same could be said for you when talking about GoW. And he only used it once... Unlike others...

You haven't seen his other posts then. Or maybe you just choose to ignore it. Probably that.

as I said, I am censoring myself....I would rather do that than using fake swears or pretend I am less angry

[TheProtheans]

JamesFaith wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
No ABC endings.

Full version of quote is:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." - Casey Hudson

And as I few times said, this can be easily intepreted that number of ending and their quality isn't set in stone for everyone and that it would depend on every playthrough, which is true, because not everyone got Synthetis and they are more variations of Destroy.

That "no ABC ending" is just simplified version losing its former meaning.

A lot more variation and sophistication you say? I don't see it. Or do you mean destory has 3 control 2 and synthesis 1 varient?

Yes, I mean this.

Because there are big variations in them in their nature (destroyed Earth vs saved Earth is quite difference), just their visual execution is too mush similar. And there is no single word about great visual difference in this quote.

Different in what sense.
If a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, does it make a sound.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 30 décembre 2012 - 12:02 .

[Outsider edge]

Asfar as blatant lies were made during the prerelease PR blitz i'm kinda twofold. Yes alot of remarks made back then were fishy but whether that was actually lying or getting caught up in their own PR hype is something i always wondered. Casey and co popped up everywhere trying too squeeze in a hot quote too get hype going especially the week before release and the most damning statements were made in that time period.

Personally i had alot more problems with Bioware's silence concerning certain features. Especially the face-import not working. For such an important and defining feature too blatantly not work at release was bad enough but Bioware stayed silent for weeks. That and the whole MP needed or not needed discussion was imo an even bigger farce then whether or not people actually lied.

Modifié par Outsider edge, 30 décembre 2012 - 12:02 .

[crimzontearz]

JamesFaith wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
No ABC endings.

Full version of quote is:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." - Casey Hudson

And as I few times said, this can be easily intepreted that number of ending and their quality isn't set in stone for everyone and that it would depend on every playthrough, which is true, because not everyone got Synthetis and they are more variations of Destroy.

That "no ABC ending" is just simplified version losing its former meaning.

A lot more variation and sophistication you say? I don't see it. Or do you mean destory has 3 control 2 and synthesis 1 varient?

Yes, I mean this.

Because there are big variations in them in their nature (destroyed Earth vs saved Earth is quite difference), just their visual execution is too mush similar. And there is no single word about great visual difference in this quote.

which in a visual medium is misleading at best...by your token they could have cut to black once the crucible fired and told us to imagine the rest and that would have been still truthful enough

[GreyLycanTrope]

JamesFaith wrote...
Yes, I mean this.

Because there are big variations in them in their nature (destroyed Earth vs saved Earth is quite difference), just their visual execution is too mush similar. And there is no single word about great visual difference in this quote.

No but the use of "sophitication" implies some level of detail besides a color swap and to what level stuff blows up.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 30 décembre 2012 - 12:05 .

[archangel1996]

JamesFaith wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
No ABC endings.

Full version of quote is:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." - Casey Hudson

And as I few times said, this can be easily intepreted that number of ending and their quality isn't set in stone for everyone and that it would depend on every playthrough, which is true, because not everyone got Synthetis and they are more variations of Destroy.

That "no ABC ending" is just simplified version losing its former meaning.

Yeah, great quality, great quality
Someone who bought only ME3 and played a way too much MP has the same(full of monkey crap) ending that i have, but you are right it's not a ABC, it's more like a RBG or DCS or turn left, turn right, go straight on....And there is the fact "Reapers are stupid things controlled by Casper and his uncles".......Now, while talking with Sovereign or Harbinger(in ME2 obviously because in ME3 he...she...it...whatever is too busy to give a **** about Shep) i usually laugh
Kidding  the endings are pure gold, they are perfect.....they have just one major issues...the colorblind people is screwed......

BTW OP, after a critic i usally feel weird, i fell..... hungry

[crimzontearz]

Outsider edge wrote...

Asfar as blatant lies were made during the prerelease PR blitz i'm kinda twofold. Yes alot of remarks made back then were fishy but whether that was actually lying or getting caught up in their own PR hype is something i always wondered. Casey and co popped up everywhere trying too squeeze in a hot quote too get hype going especially the week before release and the most damning statements were made in that time period.

Personally i had alot more problems with Bioware's silence concerning certain features. Especially the face-import not working. For such an important and defining feature too blatantly not work at release was bad enough but Bioware stayed silent for weeks. That and the whole MP needed or not needed discussion was imo an even bigger farce then whether or not people actually lied.

wanna have a laugh? bioware employees were not allowed to import their characters at work so they would have never known

[Grubas]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

1 they lied about MP, knowingly and I have an apology from Brenon Holmes to prove it. and even assuming it was all a misunderstanding they never even begun to publicly acknowledge it all while Chris simply,y went on saying it was being investigated (and there really was nothing to investigate)

You mean the EMS and MP being required? Okay, I'll give you that. That's one thing they may have "knowingly lied about pre-release." What else? You claimed there were "many" things.

How about when Casey said the ending wouldn't result in a choice of A, B and C? Or when Mac Walters said the Rachni's presence would have huge consequences in ME3, and would play a part in the final battle?

It's undeniable that they lied about a lot of things. The only reason you can't accuse them of textbook lying, is because there are loopholes that they can exploit. For example:

"Well....TECHNICALLY the Rachni did play a part in the final battle because they helped a bit in building the Crucible, which was a device that was used in the final battle."

or

"Well....TECHNICALLY if you stand in front of the Catalyst and do nothing you get a game over screen, which can be interpreted as a bad ending. So there actually is a D ending."

However, if you cut all the BS out. They lied. Pure and simple.

And exactly this is why we need devs to come out and talk. Things like this need explaination. And only devs can explain it. Plain and simple. 

[JamesFaith]

TheProtheans wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...
Yes, I mean this.

Because there are big variations in them in their nature (destroyed Earth vs saved Earth is quite difference), just their visual execution is too mush similar. And there is no single word about great visual difference in this quote.

Different in what sense.
If a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, does it make a sound.

So check video Grey send me here. The differences are there and visible, there are just no long video sequences about them.

I don't need to hear great bang of falling tree, even weak distant sound is still sound.