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[archangel1996]

crimzontearz wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

I feel hungry

go eat?

Today i didn't criticize ME3 yet, so i'm not hungry now

[crimzontearz]

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
cue the BS line that there were too many things people asked for to please everyone in spite of the fact the overwhelming majority asked for very specific things in nearly every poll both internal and external in 3...2...1

This attitude right here is precisely why the devs don't want to talk to any of us.

my original attitude was "I am willing to pay 1200 for a reunion scene no question asked"

one has to work pretty hard to turn a fan as hardcore as I was into someone as disenfranchised as I am now


but they succeeded

I still would pay for a DLC that fixed the ending of ME3. It would need to be more then just a reunion though although that would be a fantastic start especially if it included more conversation option dialogue but I just can't help but keeping on feeling that earth. That entire mission. Needed more then it got.

and instead we get "you can believe what you want people trolololol"

yep, lovely

[crimzontearz]

archangel1996 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

I feel hungry

go eat?

Today i didn't criticize ME3 yet, so i'm not hungry now

I do not understand....

[archangel1996]

crimzontearz wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

I feel hungry

go eat?

Today i didn't criticize ME3 yet, so i'm not hungry now

I do not understand....

It was a joke, luagh now

[crimzontearz]

archangel1996 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

I feel hungry

go eat?

Today i didn't criticize ME3 yet, so i'm not hungry now

I do not understand....

It was a joke, luagh now

if the joke needs explaining then it failed

juuuuust like the ending.....OK now I will laugh but bitterly so

[Nykara]

crimzontearz wrote...

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
cue the BS line that there were too many things people asked for to please everyone in spite of the fact the overwhelming majority asked for very specific things in nearly every poll both internal and external in 3...2...1

This attitude right here is precisely why the devs don't want to talk to any of us.

my original attitude was "I am willing to pay 1200 for a reunion scene no question asked"

one has to work pretty hard to turn a fan as hardcore as I was into someone as disenfranchised as I am now


but they succeeded

I still would pay for a DLC that fixed the ending of ME3. It would need to be more then just a reunion though although that would be a fantastic start especially if it included more conversation option dialogue but I just can't help but keeping on feeling that earth. That entire mission. Needed more then it got.

and instead we get "you can believe what you want people trolololol"

yep, lovely

Even before the beam run part. I can't really put my finger on it but the entire earth mission was just, bleh.
The genophage cure mission was brilliant. The Asari homeworld mission was fantastic as was the Quarrian missions. Earth paled in comparision and it was supposed to be the ending of the story of all of our favorite hero's. It needed something like Shep getting interrupted a couple of times by team mates, old friends and allies on earth in trouble and going to save their butts because my Shep wouldn't just be able to leave them to die that kind of thing. Not to mention a show down with Harbinger. It just seemed more like a 'lets throw in as many enemies to kill as possible and thats it' type deal. It needed that + extra. More working with our war assests along the way. Even a great chance to add in another heart wrenching choice or two ( who do you go and save? ). Those kinds of things are bittersweet not "Yep go ahead and kill all of the Geth and Edi" I felt nothing at all making that choice. Nothing. The way that it was implimented left no feelings one way or the other, accept for a "WTH that was it?" feeling.

[archangel1996]

crimzontearz wrote...

if the joke needs explaining then it failed

juuuuust like the ending.....OK now I will laugh but bitterly so

[crimzontearz]

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
cue the BS line that there were too many things people asked for to please everyone in spite of the fact the overwhelming majority asked for very specific things in nearly every poll both internal and external in 3...2...1

This attitude right here is precisely why the devs don't want to talk to any of us.

my original attitude was "I am willing to pay 1200 for a reunion scene no question asked"

one has to work pretty hard to turn a fan as hardcore as I was into someone as disenfranchised as I am now


but they succeeded

I still would pay for a DLC that fixed the ending of ME3. It would need to be more then just a reunion though although that would be a fantastic start especially if it included more conversation option dialogue but I just can't help but keeping on feeling that earth. That entire mission. Needed more then it got.

and instead we get "you can believe what you want people trolololol"

yep, lovely

Even before the beam run part. I can't really put my finger on it but the entire earth mission was just, bleh.
The genophage cure mission was brilliant. The Asari homeworld mission was fantastic as was the Quarrian missions. Earth paled in comparision and it was supposed to be the ending of the story of all of our favorite hero's. It needed something like Shep getting interrupted a couple of times by team mates, old friends and allies on earth in trouble and going to save their butts because my Shep wouldn't just be able to leave them to die that kind of thing. Not to mention a show down with Harbinger. It just seemed more like a 'lets throw in as many enemies to kill as possible and thats it' type deal. It needed that + extra. More working with our war assests along the way. Even a great chance to add in another heart wrenching choice or two ( who do you go and save? ). Those kinds of things are bittersweet not "Yep go ahead and kill all of the Geth and Edi" I felt nothing at all making that choice. Nothing. The way that it was implimented left no feelings one way or the other, accept for a "WTH that was it?" feeling.

thessia was.....irritating

[crimzontearz]

archangel1996 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

if the joke needs explaining then it failed

juuuuust like the ending.....OK now I will laugh but bitterly so

sorry.....

[Nykara]

crimzontearz wrote...

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
cue the BS line that there were too many things people asked for to please everyone in spite of the fact the overwhelming majority asked for very specific things in nearly every poll both internal and external in 3...2...1

This attitude right here is precisely why the devs don't want to talk to any of us.

my original attitude was "I am willing to pay 1200 for a reunion scene no question asked"

one has to work pretty hard to turn a fan as hardcore as I was into someone as disenfranchised as I am now


but they succeeded

I still would pay for a DLC that fixed the ending of ME3. It would need to be more then just a reunion though although that would be a fantastic start especially if it included more conversation option dialogue but I just can't help but keeping on feeling that earth. That entire mission. Needed more then it got.

and instead we get "you can believe what you want people trolololol"

yep, lovely

Even before the beam run part. I can't really put my finger on it but the entire earth mission was just, bleh.
The genophage cure mission was brilliant. The Asari homeworld mission was fantastic as was the Quarrian missions. Earth paled in comparision and it was supposed to be the ending of the story of all of our favorite hero's. It needed something like Shep getting interrupted a couple of times by team mates, old friends and allies on earth in trouble and going to save their butts because my Shep wouldn't just be able to leave them to die that kind of thing. Not to mention a show down with Harbinger. It just seemed more like a 'lets throw in as many enemies to kill as possible and thats it' type deal. It needed that + extra. More working with our war assests along the way. Even a great chance to add in another heart wrenching choice or two ( who do you go and save? ). Those kinds of things are bittersweet not "Yep go ahead and kill all of the Geth and Edi" I felt nothing at all making that choice. Nothing. The way that it was implimented left no feelings one way or the other, accept for a "WTH that was it?" feeling.

thessia was.....irritating

I liked it 
Other then the you know who part at the end there, every encounter with him was pretty much an epic fail . The rest of it though I really did get the feeling that Thessia was a lost cause and that it was suffering badly at the hands of the reapers it made me feel sad for them and for Liara.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

They deserved a lot of the criticism, from my point of view anyway. I don't remember any personal comments I made during that whole fiasco I regretted. 

There were nasty comments other people made, but unfortunately, you can't control that many people's opinions/stop people fro being jerks. I felt the general tenor prior to the announcement of the EC was appropriate. 

[crimzontearz]

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
cue the BS line that there were too many things people asked for to please everyone in spite of the fact the overwhelming majority asked for very specific things in nearly every poll both internal and external in 3...2...1

This attitude right here is precisely why the devs don't want to talk to any of us.

my original attitude was "I am willing to pay 1200 for a reunion scene no question asked"

one has to work pretty hard to turn a fan as hardcore as I was into someone as disenfranchised as I am now


but they succeeded

I still would pay for a DLC that fixed the ending of ME3. It would need to be more then just a reunion though although that would be a fantastic start especially if it included more conversation option dialogue but I just can't help but keeping on feeling that earth. That entire mission. Needed more then it got.

and instead we get "you can believe what you want people trolololol"

yep, lovely

Even before the beam run part. I can't really put my finger on it but the entire earth mission was just, bleh.
The genophage cure mission was brilliant. The Asari homeworld mission was fantastic as was the Quarrian missions. Earth paled in comparision and it was supposed to be the ending of the story of all of our favorite hero's. It needed something like Shep getting interrupted a couple of times by team mates, old friends and allies on earth in trouble and going to save their butts because my Shep wouldn't just be able to leave them to die that kind of thing. Not to mention a show down with Harbinger. It just seemed more like a 'lets throw in as many enemies to kill as possible and thats it' type deal. It needed that + extra. More working with our war assests along the way. Even a great chance to add in another heart wrenching choice or two ( who do you go and save? ). Those kinds of things are bittersweet not "Yep go ahead and kill all of the Geth and Edi" I felt nothing at all making that choice. Nothing. The way that it was implimented left no feelings one way or the other, accept for a "WTH that was it?" feeling.

thessia was.....irritating

I liked it 
Other then the you know who part at the end there, every encounter with him was pretty much an epic fail . The rest of it though I really did get the feeling that Thessia was a lost cause and that it was suffering badly at the hands of the reapers it made me feel sad for them and for Liara.

it made me feel like Liara could use some comforting after......which is always good

(and sylvia, if you are reading this Liara is the only reason I even entertain the thought of playing ME3 again even with the horrid ending we have)

[Iakus]

PKchu wrote...

They deserved a lot of the criticism, from my point of view anyway. I don't remember any personal comments I made during that whole fiasco I regretted. 

There were nasty comments other people made, but unfortunately, you can't control that many people's opinions/stop people fro being jerks. I felt the general tenor prior to the announcement of the EC was appropriate. 

It just gets annoying when legitimate criticism gets lumped in with the nasty comments.  "People were mean, therefore,if you criticize, you're a hater and should be disregarded"

[Fifmut]

crimzontearz wrote...

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Nykara wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
cue the BS line that there were too many things people asked for to please everyone in spite of the fact the overwhelming majority asked for very specific things in nearly every poll both internal and external in 3...2...1

This attitude right here is precisely why the devs don't want to talk to any of us.

my original attitude was "I am willing to pay 1200 for a reunion scene no question asked"

one has to work pretty hard to turn a fan as hardcore as I was into someone as disenfranchised as I am now


but they succeeded

I still would pay for a DLC that fixed the ending of ME3. It would need to be more then just a reunion though although that would be a fantastic start especially if it included more conversation option dialogue but I just can't help but keeping on feeling that earth. That entire mission. Needed more then it got.

and instead we get "you can believe what you want people trolololol"

yep, lovely

Even before the beam run part. I can't really put my finger on it but the entire earth mission was just, bleh.
The genophage cure mission was brilliant. The Asari homeworld mission was fantastic as was the Quarrian missions. Earth paled in comparision and it was supposed to be the ending of the story of all of our favorite hero's. It needed something like Shep getting interrupted a couple of times by team mates, old friends and allies on earth in trouble and going to save their butts because my Shep wouldn't just be able to leave them to die that kind of thing. Not to mention a show down with Harbinger. It just seemed more like a 'lets throw in as many enemies to kill as possible and thats it' type deal. It needed that + extra. More working with our war assests along the way. Even a great chance to add in another heart wrenching choice or two ( who do you go and save? ). Those kinds of things are bittersweet not "Yep go ahead and kill all of the Geth and Edi" I felt nothing at all making that choice. Nothing. The way that it was implimented left no feelings one way or the other, accept for a "WTH that was it?" feeling.

thessia was.....irritating

I liked it 
Other then the you know who part at the end there, every encounter with him was pretty much an epic fail . The rest of it though I really did get the feeling that Thessia was a lost cause and that it was suffering badly at the hands of the reapers it made me feel sad for them and for Liara.

it made me feel like Liara could use some comforting after......which is always good

(and sylvia, if you are reading this Liara is the only reason I even entertain the thought of playing ME3 again even with the horrid ending we have)

Agreed, same here.

[Ninja Stan]

Nykara wrote...
Direct abuse to individuals is one thing and somethign I would never condone, the company on the whole however being berated? I would think that is to be expected. 

They have had the chance already, many times over to correct the mistakes made in ME3 and they have not done so. Why would anyone think that they will do so in future titles? The chance is still available right here and right now for them to show the community that they ARE willing to fix mistakes by fixing THIS game. Not waiting until another. This is the game that the fans love and care for, these are the characters that the fans love and care for, if they can't fix them here and now why would we have faith in future products?

They know what the majority of the fans want to see. There is more the enough constructive critisim around these forums *without* abuse to draw on. There are more then enough polls around to show exactly where the majority of votes sit. All of which have been vastly ignored - at least to the community that is how it seems.

If you buy a toaster from a company and it doesn't behave as it should, the features on the box don't work nearly as well as they claim to, you aren't going to go back to that same company and buy another toaster in hopes it will do better - you would go to another company.

Look, I know how people feel about having a beloved game series or setting or franchise come out with what they perceive to be a dud. And sure, Mass Effect 3 may very well be. But BioWare is staffed by people, and gamers are also people. There is always going to be a chance that, somewhere along the line, gamers will dislike or disagree with a BioWare game, or a BioWare game is not going to meet expectations.

They have had the chance already, many times over to correct the mistakes made in ME3 and they have not done so. Why would anyone think that they will do so in future titles?

BioWare made and released the Extended Cut. For free. Whether that "corrects the mistakes made in ME3" or not, that should serve as some indication that they care and are willing to try and make fans happy. Really, the only thing they can reasonably do (continually changing and fixing an already released game is tome consuming and expensive for very little benefit) is to try and do better next time. Just as you or I do when we make a mistake. People have hope for the future and faith in the inherent goodness of mankind. That's what keeps us employable even after we've left previous jobs, or marriageable even after a divorce. It even means we continue to be good people even after we get out of prison.

So a company releases a game, you buy it, and don't like it. That's the end of the cycle, usually. You either get a refund/exchange, if it's a physical product, or, if an entertainment product, you become more wary of buying products from that producer, creator, artist, or company the next time. Because you haven't always been disappointed by those products, and it's likely that there'll be more of them for you to check out in the future. So get used to disappointment, learn to channel it into constructive feedback, tell your friends about all the bad games you've played as well as the good, and listen to online reviews and word-of-mouth reviews.

[Ryoten]

During the initial days after ME3 first came out, and people started raging on the endings, BioWare became very passive-aggresive in the very few statements they made. Making it out to be the players fault over the ending, and not theirs. They did the same thing with DA2. I've lost respect for the company.

[RocketManSR2]

Yate wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Well, yes, that would be the point.

Low EMS is still there.

Mid Level EMS.

Then high Level EMS, where all three options are available.

Then very high EMS, where Shepard lives in Destroy.

Then there would be the ultimate end, where Refuse becomes an option. The idea here is that we passed the test. That's what a Crucible is, it's a test, a trial. In this ending, where you have the highest EMS and you also made all the best decisions, all the races are behind your back, you made peace, ect, you played the game right, here, you win. You passed the trials presented by the Reapers, by getting everyone together, and of the Crucible itself: the easy way out. You win here, because ultimately you don't need it. Because you fought as a united galaxy. You didn't need to resort to the Catalyst's games, you don't bend to his logic because you proved it wrong. The casualties will be immense, but it wouldn't be for nothing.

One of the problems with Mass Effect 3's ending is that it forces the ending to be a choice, not a culmination of all your past choices. Hence why people feel it doesn't matter. A Victory through Refusal ending changes that.

Is that unrealistic? Probably. Was it ever going to happen? Most likely not. But to be teased with it like we were with the EC only to have the door effectively slammed in our faces just felt... cruel.

no

^This kind of thing needs to stop. "I don't want it, so you can't have it, either." Give me a break.

[Necrotron]

ld1449 wrote...

Furthermore I've written works on the internet. The criticism can be EXTREMELY harsh.

UNLESS

You do things well. In which case the criticism is few and far between. This idea that the Internet is a cesspool of unjust hatred is something of an exaggeration. If the hatred exists, its for a reason. To dismiss it outright is detrimental. Anyone who does, does not wish to grow as a creator of "intellectual" works. Which is, or should, ultimately be the goal of the writers artists and designers of whatever project in question.

Yeah, if the ending was well written (regardless of whether it was sad, happy, or whatever), there wouldn't have been this level of criticism.

[RocketManSR2]

Ninja Stan wrote...

So a company releases a game, you buy it, and don't like it. That's the end of the cycle, usually. You either get a refund/exchange, if it's a physical product, or, if an entertainment product, you become more wary of buying products from that producer, creator, artist, or company the next time. Because you haven't always been disappointed by those products, and it's likely that there'll be more of them for you to check out in the future. So get used to disappointment, learn to channel it into constructive feedback, tell your friends about all the bad games you've played as well as the good, and listen to online reviews and word-of-mouth reviews.

Trust me, I will be very wary of buying anything from them. They are owned by a publisher that has shown bias against purely single player games. I look at the trend the ME games followed and find myself wondering just how much RPG will even be in ME4 or whatever it will be called. I really think that I have seen the end of the types of games that put BioWare on the map. I just don't think EA will back off and let BW do what they do best. That saddens me more than anything, the thought that it won't get better as time goes on.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 31 décembre 2012 - 07:07 .

[Nykara]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Nykara wrote...
Direct abuse to individuals is one thing and somethign I would never condone, the company on the whole however being berated? I would think that is to be expected. 

They have had the chance already, many times over to correct the mistakes made in ME3 and they have not done so. Why would anyone think that they will do so in future titles? The chance is still available right here and right now for them to show the community that they ARE willing to fix mistakes by fixing THIS game. Not waiting until another. This is the game that the fans love and care for, these are the characters that the fans love and care for, if they can't fix them here and now why would we have faith in future products?

They know what the majority of the fans want to see. There is more the enough constructive critisim around these forums *without* abuse to draw on. There are more then enough polls around to show exactly where the majority of votes sit. All of which have been vastly ignored - at least to the community that is how it seems.

If you buy a toaster from a company and it doesn't behave as it should, the features on the box don't work nearly as well as they claim to, you aren't going to go back to that same company and buy another toaster in hopes it will do better - you would go to another company.

Look, I know how people feel about having a beloved game series or setting or franchise come out with what they perceive to be a dud. And sure, Mass Effect 3 may very well be. But BioWare is staffed by people, and gamers are also people. There is always going to be a chance that, somewhere along the line, gamers will dislike or disagree with a BioWare game, or a BioWare game is not going to meet expectations.

They have had the chance already, many times over to correct the mistakes made in ME3 and they have not done so. Why would anyone think that they will do so in future titles?

BioWare made and released the Extended Cut. For free. Whether that "corrects the mistakes made in ME3" or not, that should serve as some indication that they care and are willing to try and make fans happy. Really, the only thing they can reasonably do (continually changing and fixing an already released game is tome consuming and expensive for very little benefit) is to try and do better next time. Just as you or I do when we make a mistake. People have hope for the future and faith in the inherent goodness of mankind. That's what keeps us employable even after we've left previous jobs, or marriageable even after a divorce. It even means we continue to be good people even after we get out of prison.

So a company releases a game, you buy it, and don't like it. That's the end of the cycle, usually. You either get a refund/exchange, if it's a physical product, or, if an entertainment product, you become more wary of buying products from that producer, creator, artist, or company the next time. Because you haven't always been disappointed by those products, and it's likely that there'll be more of them for you to check out in the future. So get used to disappointment, learn to channel it into constructive feedback, tell your friends about all the bad games you've played as well as the good, and listen to online reviews and word-of-mouth reviews.

When people are willing to *pay* for an extended ending how is that any different to any other DLC that they invest time and money in to in order to gain profit back from that effort? Yet for some reason it gets dismissed "No we just aren't going to do that.' Once again the polls.. oh so many many polls even back before the EC was released show that this is exactly what the majority wanted with very specific details. The only thing realy addressed in that was one detail - the normandy everything else was ignored/left out. It is never good form for any company to ignore the majority of customers - not if they expect the next product that they release to be a good seller.

It gets me how so many companies these days always seem to forget the one golden rule "The customer is *always* right." We are the customers and yet somehow the staggering majority of us are not right? Then they wonder why they end up with unhappy customers. Bioware hasn't even admitted that they did make a mistake with the ending yet it is pretty clear by now that they did. Even with the EC it was more like okay so maybe we left a couple of things out, we will extend on that but the rest of it is artistic and stays. Or something to that effect.

The constructive critisisim from so many fans - without the abuse was already there right from the start. Those throwing abuse around where only a select few and honestly I don't like the fact that the rest of us who were not happy with the ME3 ending are all lumped under that same catagory. You will see no abuse what so ever from me, towards bioware. You will see posts from me as to what I did or didn't like about the ending, what I would have liked to have seen and the fact that I am unsatisifed with what was given. Yes we are all human and we don't all fall under the same catagory. Those who do throw around abuse just seem to disrupt a great many threads but they do not speak for the majority of us, only for themselves. Ignore them if you wish, although most of them are probably the younger customers who have yet to learn how to put things a little more diplomatically. Don't label everyone because of a few and Bioware shouldn't ignore all of the posts or refuse to comment on most of them because of a few either.

Anyhow as a customer I am saying, the information is all there. Bioware is well aware of what the detials are that the majority of the Mass Effect consumers want - all they have to do is refer to the many polls around that a great many of us have participated on and offered feedback in. It is up to them if they choose to do so or not but they can expect all of those customers to be extremely wary of future products if they continue to ignore those details - not pre-order any of them and wait until well after many actual players (I dont trust media reviews) have finished each product and posted reviews and thoughts of their own about those games. All of that will have to happen before many of the currently unhappy customers will pick up future games from this company. So I guess if they want good starting sales for the next ME title they know what they have to do, otherwise they can expect those starting sales to not be anywhere near as good as they could be.

[David7204]

If BioWare released any kind of post-ending content the wasn't free, the BSN and fans in general would be utterly shrieking that BioWare and EA are greedy moneygrubbers who put this whole fiasco in motion in order to gouge players into buying DLC. It makes no difference how many people claim they'd be willing to pay for it.

Modifié par David7204, 31 décembre 2012 - 07:13 .

[o Ventus]

David7204 wrote...

If BioWare released any kind of post-ending content the wasn't free, the BSN and fans in general would be utterly shrieking that BioWare and EA are greedy moneygrubbers who put this whole fiasco in motion in order to gouge players into buying DLC.

Is that why I've seen so many posts actively declaring that they would pay for post-ending content?

[David7204]

Do you deny that the BSN would do that?

[o Ventus]

David7204 wrote...

Do you deny that the BSN would do that?

Which?

[Omega Torsk]

iakus wrote...

If I didn't feel passionately about what i think, I wouldn't post here.