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[New Display Name]

Gay/lesbian players have had to deal with opposite sexed characters hitting on their PC all of the time. Put up with the same sex flirting or at least be fair and advocate a straight toggle.

There are plenty of outs for the same sex romances in Bioware games so far already.

[PlumPaul93]

Upsettingshorts wrote...You mean where he reacts poorly once, takes a negligable rivalry hit that you can easily compensate for, and is never an issue again?

Nah I have more of a problem with the good/diplomatic options leading to a romance (I thought that was point of the <3options) and a subsequent rivalry hit because there wasn't a proper way to decline. He shouldn't hit on you just because you're nice and you shouldn't be penalized because of it. It's not too significant in the grand scheme of things, but neither are romances am I right? I'm not going to get into an argument about it either. I just hope they've learned from it.

[upsettingshorts]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...You mean where he reacts poorly once, takes a negligable rivalry hit that you can easily compensate for, and is never an issue again?

Nah I have more of a problem with the good/diplomatic options leading to a romance (I thought that was point of the <3options) and a subsequent rivalry hit because there wasn't a proper way to decline. He shouldn't hit on you just because you're nice and you shouldn't be penalized because of it. It's not too significant in the grand scheme of things, but neither are romances am I right? I'm not going to get into an argument about it either. I just hope they've learned from it.

...you don't get into a romance by hitting Diplomatic options.  You are presented with the opportunity to or </3, and you don't have to take it.  End of story.

[Battlebloodmage]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...You mean where he reacts poorly once, takes a negligable rivalry hit that you can easily compensate for, and is never an issue again?

Nah I have more of a problem with the good/diplomatic options leading to a romance (I thought that was point of the <3options) and a subsequent rivalry hit because there wasn't a proper way to decline. He shouldn't hit on you just because you're nice and you shouldn't be penalized because of it. It's not too significant in the grand scheme of things, but neither are romances am I right? I'm not going to get into an argument about it either. I just hope they've learned from it.

David Gaider stated that it wasn't worth the trouble, so I doubt there will be any in the next game; however, I still believe that if it fits the character, they should still flirt with you. The one thing they could change is to let that character down easily since people are a bit too obsessed with perfection. Isabela and Anders are basically the same when it comes to flirting. For a lot of people, I think it has more to do with the fact that Anders is a guy than a character hitting on you just because you're nice.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 31 décembre 2012 - 09:41 .

[PlumPaul93]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...You mean where he reacts poorly once, takes a negligable rivalry hit that you can easily compensate for, and is never an issue again?

Nah I have more of a problem with the good/diplomatic options leading to a romance (I thought that was point of the <3options) and a subsequent rivalry hit because there wasn't a proper way to decline. He shouldn't hit on you just because you're nice and you shouldn't be penalized because of it. It's not too significant in the grand scheme of things, but neither are romances am I right? I'm not going to get into an argument about it either. I just hope they've learned from it.

...you don't get into a romance by hitting Diplomatic options.  You are presented with the opportunity to or </3, and you don't have to take it.  End of story.

I'd kind've say you do since he hits on you by choosing them. All I'm asking for is to not be penalized for something I didn't initiate, considering there are options to initiate it, that's not a big request.

[PlumPaul93]

Battlebloodmage wrote...The one thing they could change is to let that character down easily since people are a bit too obsessed with perfection.

That would be swell.

Isabela and Anders are basically the same when it comes to flirting. For a lot of people, I think it has more to do with the fact that Anders is a guy than a character hitting on you just because you're nice.

I wouldn't know of other peoples opinion on it, just my own.

[Battlebloodmage]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...The one thing they could change is to let that character down easily since people are a bit too obsessed with perfection.

That would be swell.

Isabela and Anders are basically the same when it comes to flirting. For a lot of people, I think it has more to do with the fact that Anders is a guy than a character hitting on you just because you're nice.

I wouldn't know of other peoples opinion on it, just my own.

I was just speaking in general, not directed at you when I say "for a lot of people". Are you saying you wouldn't mind Anders hitting on you as long as you can let him down easily? I just don't think it's very realistic because his feeling shouldn't be something you can have control over. When someone gets rejected, they may get their feeling hurt. That is to say that if you look at "Rivalry" as a punishment. It's probably won't happen again anyway so no point in arguing over it...

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 31 décembre 2012 - 09:57 .

[PlumPaul93]

Battlebloodmage wrote...Are you saying you wouldn't mind Anders hitting on you as long as you can let him down easily?

Yep.

I just don't think it's very realistic because his feeling shouldn't be something you can have control over. When someone gets rejected, they may get their feeling hurt.

Right, but there should have been an option to nicely decline. Not romance him/not and get rivalry.

That is to say that if you look at "Rivalry" as a punishment. It's probably won't happen again anyway so no point in arguing over it...

On that we can agree.

[mitthrawuodo]

Back on topic I fully support a romanceable Sandal and Bodahn as NPC romances as they'll probably join us. If we do have castle then having a blacksmith makes sense but it should Wade and he should romanceable too and the female choices could be the steward, chef, master-at-arms, etc.

[New Display Name]

My primary issue with Anders is that there was no gentle letting down. I have actually noticed that there's been a number of options Bioware players get to be uncomfortable (or even the characters themselves) when they are hit on by the same sex or around a same sex scenario. Also, I vaguely recall an option (or cut voice files) in ME1 by female Shepard to tell Liara that she's only interested in men. There's no such equivalent that I can remember for gay player characters.

[Maria Caliban]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Isabela and Anders are basically the same when it comes to flirting. For a lot of people, I think it has more to do with the fact that Anders is a guy than a character hitting on you just because you're nice.

Yes, him being a guy makes it worse, but I disagree that they're the same when it comes to flirting. Isabela doesn't imply that there's some sort of bond between you, she doesn't hit you with rivalry points, and she doesn't spend her time complaining about your LI years after she's said your lack of interest is fine.

They both show interest in you without prompting, that's where the similarities end.

[Tootles FTW]

I'm a heterosexual female and play my FemHawke's as such.  
When Isabela makes suggestive comments towards my Hawke I don't take it as a breach of my sexuality (of which I am very comfortable with), I take her flirtations as an insight into her sexuality.  If you're bothered by Anders, you might need to question if you have an issue with the former or the latter.


On topic, I like this idea in theory.  I really liked Cortez in ME3 and thought his romance (which I viewed via YouTube) to be very sweet and honest.  In DA3 I can imagine having a hostler or maid who is always on hand at your estate/castle & with whom you can consult over various upgrades.  They could easily develop these characters as non-squaddie romance options while keeping them perfectly relevant within the life of the protagonist.

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 31 décembre 2012 - 04:42 .

[HiroVoid]

The main problem I see brought up is the fact that there's no easy way to let him down. I didn't see nearly as big a complaint with Zevran in DA:O who also blatantly hits on you.

[Tootles FTW]

HiroVoid wrote...

The main problem I see brought up is the fact that there's no easy way to let him down. I didn't see nearly as big a complaint with Zevran in DA:O who also blatantly hits on you.

I think, unfortunately, that a lot of  (and I'm going to generalize here so stand back) male gamers took the option to kill him shortly thereafter.  I can only imagine what would be going on if Anders had a similar kill-switch.

[Mummy22kids]

I don't know if I'd want a romance as such since, as has been said before, you wouldn't be with them as often as you are with your companions. I definitely do not mind the idea of a casual encounter though, or even another place like the blooming rose. I would, however, like there to be real repercussions to companion romances if you sleep with an Non-companion, Something like what happens with Alistair and Liliana if you try to sleep with Isabela when they are unhardened, but to a higher degree. Like I can see (in DA2) Isabela being OK with you going to the blooming rose at first- but then if you continue there should be some jealousy, whereas I could see Merril or Fenris not putting up with that kind of thing right from the start. Or if you sleep with some tavern wench then there should be some repercussion with your LI.

[Battlebloodmage]

HJF4 wrote...

My primary issue with Anders is that there was no gentle letting down. I have actually noticed that there's been a number of options Bioware players get to be uncomfortable (or even the characters themselves) when they are hit on by the same sex or around a same sex scenario. Also, I vaguely recall an option (or cut voice files) in ME1 by female Shepard to tell Liara that she's only interested in men. There's no such equivalent that I can remember for gay player characters.

There's one for Steve.

[New Display Name]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

My primary issue with Anders is that there was no gentle letting down. I have actually noticed that there's been a number of options Bioware players get to be uncomfortable (or even the characters themselves) when they are hit on by the same sex or around a same sex scenario. Also, I vaguely recall an option (or cut voice files) in ME1 by female Shepard to tell Liara that she's only interested in men. There's no such equivalent that I can remember for gay player characters.

There's one for Steve.

Sort of. It can just as easily be an admission of bisexuality - especially considering Shepards who say that line could have romanced a female love interest previously.

[Blackrising]

Mummy22kids wrote...

I don't know if I'd want a romance as such since, as has been said before, you wouldn't be with them as often as you are with your companions. I definitely do not mind the idea of a casual encounter though, or even another place like the blooming rose. I would, however, like there to be real repercussions to companion romances if you sleep with an Non-companion, Something like what happens with Alistair and Liliana if you try to sleep with Isabela when they are unhardened, but to a higher degree. Like I can see (in DA2) Isabela being OK with you going to the blooming rose at first- but then if you continue there should be some jealousy, whereas I could see Merril or Fenris not putting up with that kind of thing right from the start. Or if you sleep with some tavern wench then there should be some repercussion with your LI.

Yeah, I'd like that as well.
Casual encounters should definitely have consequences if you're currently in or trying to initiate a romance. I mean, I doubt Cassandra would be okay with you cheating on her.
(After all, even Isabella gets jealous when FemHawke flirts with Tallis.)