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[CosmicGnosis]

"You’re also never going to be the villain of Mass Effect 3. If you take every Renegade option in the game, you may be brusque with your friends and brutal to your enemies; you may make hard choices that cost you friendships; you may have to go to your grave carrying the weight of crimes that would have you reviled as a monster if they ever came to light. But you are always fighting to save the galaxy, no matter what tactics you take."
- Patrick Weekes

http://blog.bioware....-mass-effect-3/

What do you think, guys? Do you become the villain of Mass Effect 3 if you choose Control or Synthesis?

EDIT: Some people argue that Destroy also makes you a villain. The same goes for Refuse. So are you a villain no matter what you choose?

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:31 .

[LucasShark]

Renegade+control = Psycotic all-powerful space stalin.... yeah: that's not villainous at all...

Modifié par LucasShark, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:17 .

[Hadeedak]

Nope.

You're also not the villain in destroy, or refusal.

[Hadeedak]

LucasShark wrote...

Renegade+control = Psycotic all-powerful space stalin.... yeah: that's not vaillainous at all...

In destroy, you could argue you wipe out at least two sentient races and EDI, all because you can't see other options.

In refusal.... yeah. Y'all know how that goes.

But the best thing you can say for the endings is that all three (four now) have merit, advantages, and disadvantages.

[LucasShark]

Hadeedak wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Renegade+control = Psycotic all-powerful space stalin.... yeah: that's not vaillainous at all...

In destroy, you could argue you wipe out at least two sentient races and EDI, all because you can't see other options.

In refusal.... yeah. Y'all know how that goes.

But the best thing you can say for the endings is that all three (four now) have merit, advantages, and disadvantages.

No: you can say they are all flavors of horendious.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

"you may have to go to your grave carrying the weight of crimes...." = You're going to bite the dust in the end. Should have read this. Didn't read. Didn't keep up. Probably wouldn't have bought the game.

[Hadeedak]

LucasShark wrote...


No: you can say they are all flavors of horendious.

Eh. Me, I kind of like them. But too much Asimov has probably poisoned my brain.

Still a better ending than Twilight?

[drinkurmilk]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

"you may have to go to your grave carrying the weight of crimes...." = You're going to bite the dust in the end. Should have read this. Didn't read. Didn't keep up. Probably wouldn't have bought the game.

We all end up in a grave eventually, believe it or not.

[Hey]

Yeah... This is how the story was built...

Look, I want to be the hero with the massive "woody" at the end but it sounds like it was never planned this way.

I need a drink...

[LucasShark]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Renegade+control = Psycotic all-powerful space stalin.... yeah: that's not vaillainous at all...

In destroy, you could argue you wipe out at least two sentient races and EDI, all because you can't see other options.

In refusal.... yeah. Y'all know how that goes.

But the best thing you can say for the endings is that all three (four now) have merit, advantages, and disadvantages.

No: you can say they are all flavors of horendious.

I don't really find Destroy or Control horrendous at all.

The former requires Shepards of all stripes to become a genocidal backstabber, and the latter involves granting infinite power to a falable mind after they specifically stated how that wasn't a viable or moral option.

[devSin]

Maybe he hadn't seen the ending yet, and didn't know how horrible it was or the extent to which Shepard would perpetrate various crimes against nature upon the whole galaxy (solely at the urging of his apparent enemy) in the end.

He didn't have real positive things to say about it after the game was released, so maybe he didn't play through the final cut before that post was written.

Modifié par devSin, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:24 .

[Iakus]

End choices made me feel like a villain no matter how I played.

So...yeah...

[Versus Omnibus]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

What do you think, guys? Do you become the villain of Mass Effect 3 if you choose Control or Synthesis?

Why only Control or Synthesis?

[CosmicGnosis]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

What do you think, guys? Do you become the villain of Mass Effect 3 if you choose Control or Synthesis?

Why only Control or Synthesis?

You know what, that's a good point for Refusers. Editing the OP.

[devSin]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

"you may have to go to your grave carrying the weight of crimes...." = You're going to bite the dust in the end. Should have read this. Didn't read. Didn't keep up. Probably wouldn't have bought the game.

You should have read the one about finding true love.

This was after the final ending had leaked (so we knew about Shepard blowing up and the Normandy being stranded forever), and the blog post came and said how it's not about how things end but about how you spend the time you do have with each other.

Seriously, go back and read it.

Modifié par devSin, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:30 .

[Versus Omnibus]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

What do you think, guys? Do you become the villain of Mass Effect 3 if you choose Control or Synthesis?

Why only Control or Synthesis?

You know what, that's a good point for Refusers. Editing the OP.

Thank you.

[drinkurmilk]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

chrisutd wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

"you may have to go to your grave carrying the weight of crimes...." = You're going to bite the dust in the end. Should have read this. Didn't read. Didn't keep up. Probably wouldn't have bought the game.

We all end up in a grave eventually, believe it or not.

Well, not the people who get cremated and put on the mantlepiece in a jar.

Sorry, I was being glib.

Anyway, yes.  Main point is that Shepard is mortal.  "Taking something to the grave" is a turn of phrase that has existed for as long as we've existed.

[Steelcan]

You're an idiot if you refuse, not a villain. None of the options make Shepard a villain, unless you really really love reapers/synthetics and shepard picked destroy

Modifié par Steelcan, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:47 .

[LucasShark]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Renegade+control = Psycotic all-powerful space stalin.... yeah: that's not vaillainous at all...

In destroy, you could argue you wipe out at least two sentient races and EDI, all because you can't see other options.

In refusal.... yeah. Y'all know how that goes.

But the best thing you can say for the endings is that all three (four now) have merit, advantages, and disadvantages.

No: you can say they are all flavors of horendious.

I don't really find Destroy or Control horrendous at all.

The former requires Shepards of all stripes to become a genocidal backstabber, and the latter involves granting infinite power to a falable mind after they specifically stated how that wasn't a viable or moral option.

I don't really view killing off EDI to finish the Reapers any different from what happened with Ashley on Virmire. And it's certainly better than what happened to Aratoht in Arrival.

And as far as Control goes, the Shepalyst isn't a fallible mind, since it isn't a mind at all; it's just n AI based off of Shepard

To the first: GETH

To the second: the second letter in AI stands for intelligence, that would be a non-starter if the thing cannot think.

Look up the video from the Extended cut: Renegade control for more shining examples of the glorious future to be ushered in by psyco god shepard.

Modifié par LucasShark, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:52 .

[LucasShark]

Steelcan wrote...

You're an idiot if you refuse, not a villain. None of the options make Shepard a villain, unless you really really love reapers/synthetics and shepard picked destroy

Control - Makes Shepard space-god of the galaxy, an absolute ruler with infinite power and authority to impose their will, the emperor of man on steriods
Synthesis - imposes a horriffic implantation of all sentient and non-sentient, and presumably unwilling life in the galaxy, as well as leaving the horriffic results of Reaper experiments shambling about the place for eternity.
Destroy - Causes Shepards who specifically created peace between the Quarians and Geth to commit cosmic genocide against the latter.
Refuse - the only one in which Shepard does not comit some act of evil: s/he's just a colossal idiot

[Hey]

I think this is important.  You basically throw down your lightsaber and say "I'm out!"

Stupid as ****?  yeah..
ballsy? yeah...
not picking a solution dictated by the enemy?  yeah.

It's brash and stupid...  Lets do this you piece of **** -  see where it falls...
...
of course it falls with you getting your ass handed yo you but it doesn't make the ideal any less appealing... to me...

I can;t do it tho.  I need to save as many as I can even if it mean sucking the enemies ****... If i'm reduced to that then so be it I'll see it through..

Modifié par Festae9, 30 décembre 2012 - 07:01 .

[Cypher_CS]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

"You’re also never going to be the villain of Mass Effect 3. If you take every Renegade option in the game, you may be brusque with your friends and brutal to your enemies; you may make hard choices that cost you friendships; you may have to go to your grave carrying the weight of crimes that would have you reviled as a monster if they ever came to light. But you are always fighting to save the galaxy, no matter what tactics you take."
- Patrick Weekes

http://blog.bioware....-mass-effect-3/

What do you think, guys? Do you become the villain of Mass Effect 3 if you choose Control or Synthesis?

EDIT: Some people argue that Destroy also makes you a villain. The same goes for Refuse. So are you a villain no matter what you choose?

That was stated before EC.

Definitely, I feel that some of the scenes in the EC do carry warnings.
As some here stated, Renegade Control has Shepard talking... and that feels as a warning of whats to come.
A dictatorship. Shepard will shape the universe in it's own vision.

Power corrupts, Absolute power....