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[Steelcan]

LucasShark wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You're an idiot if you refuse, not a villain. None of the options make Shepard a villain, unless you really really love reapers/synthetics and shepard picked destroy

Control - Makes Shepard space-god of the galaxy, an absolute ruler with infinite power and authority to impose their will, the emperor of man on steriods
Synthesis - imposes a horriffic implantation of all sentient and non-sentient, and presumably unwilling life in the galaxy, as well as leaving the horriffic results of Reaper experiments shambling about the place for eternity.
Destroy - Causes Shepards who specifically created peace between the Quarians and Geth to commit cosmic genocide against the latter.
Refuse - the only one in which Shepard does not comit some act of evil: s/he's just a colossal idiot

See I don't have an issue with killing the geth at all so Destroy is just a o brainer to me

[AlanC9]

LucasShark wrote...

Synthesis - imposes a horriffic implantation of all sentient and non-sentient, and presumably unwilling life in the galaxy, as well as leaving the horriffic results of Reaper experiments shambling about the place for eternity.

I never quite got this bit. If they think their lives are horrific they can find a way to end them. If they don't find their lives horrific it isn't our place to say that they are.

[Ieldra]

@OP:
There's more to being a villain than just doing certain things. You need to have a certain mindset. You can certainly play a villainous Shepard and choose, say, Renegade Control, but you're not forced into a villain's mindset.

In Destroy and Synthesis, you're asked "Can I justify this", and anwering "yes" does not make you a villain. In Control, you're asked "Would I trust myself with this power", and yet again, answering "yes" does not make you a villain. In all three cases, you're proven right by the epilogue. In Refuse, you don't need to be a principles zealot, you can just be a tragically flawed human who can't bring himself to make a choice that would save his civilization.

[Bill Casey]

Ieldra2 wrote...

In Destroy and Synthesis, you're asked "Can I justify this", and anwering "yes" does not make you a villain. In Control, you're asked "Would I trust myself with this power", and yet again, answering "yes" does not make you a villain.

Are you ****ting me?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 décembre 2012 - 08:41 .

[Pick a color]

WTH, Shepard isn't a villain in Synthesis? You can't even do minor surgery on someone without their inform consent, otherwise it's considered assault. In Synthesis, Shepard basically committed assault on every living organism in the galaxy.

[LucasShark]

AlanC9 wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Synthesis - imposes a horriffic implantation of all sentient and non-sentient, and presumably unwilling life in the galaxy, as well as leaving the horriffic results of Reaper experiments shambling about the place for eternity.

I never quite got this bit. If they think their lives are horrific they can find a way to end them. If they don't find their lives horrific it isn't our place to say that they are.

Scions consist of 3 partial humans wrapped around a giant gun: somehow I don't think that is finding a normal life anytime soon.

[LucasShark]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@OP:
There's more to being a villain than just doing certain things. You need to have a certain mindset. You can certainly play a villainous Shepard and choose, say, Renegade Control, but you're not forced into a villain's mindset.

In Destroy and Synthesis, you're asked "Can I justify this", and anwering "yes" does not make you a villain. In Control, you're asked "Would I trust myself with this power", and yet again, answering "yes" does not make you a villain. In all three cases, you're proven right by the epilogue. In Refuse, you don't need to be a principles zealot, you can just be a tragically flawed human who can't bring himself to make a choice that would save his civilization.

"Do I trust myself to doll out absolute justice to the entire bloody universe?"  ANYONE, who can seriously ask that question of themselves and answer in the positive is seriously psycologically damaged.

[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You're an idiot if you refuse, not a villain. None of the options make Shepard a villain, unless you really really love reapers/synthetics and shepard picked destroy

Control - Makes Shepard space-god of the galaxy, an absolute ruler with infinite power and authority to impose their will, the emperor of man on steriods
Synthesis - imposes a horriffic implantation of all sentient and non-sentient, and presumably unwilling life in the galaxy, as well as leaving the horriffic results of Reaper experiments shambling about the place for eternity.
Destroy - Causes Shepards who specifically created peace between the Quarians and Geth to commit cosmic genocide against the latter.
Refuse - the only one in which Shepard does not comit some act of evil: s/he's just a colossal idiot

See I don't have an issue with killing the geth at all so Destroy is just a o brainer to me

EDI's is the only death I regret.

[Hey]

LucasShark wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@OP:
There's more to being a villain than just doing certain things. You need to have a certain mindset. You can certainly play a villainous Shepard and choose, say, Renegade Control, but you're not forced into a villain's mindset.

In Destroy and Synthesis, you're asked "Can I justify this", and anwering "yes" does not make you a villain. In Control, you're asked "Would I trust myself with this power", and yet again, answering "yes" does not make you a villain. In all three cases, you're proven right by the epilogue. In Refuse, you don't need to be a principles zealot, you can just be a tragically flawed human who can't bring himself to make a choice that would save his civilization.

"Do I trust myself to doll out absolute justice to the entire bloody universe?"  ANYONE, who can seriously ask that question of themselves and answer in the positive is seriously psycologically damaged.

Good point. 
Nothing against Ieldra, because he is awesome... 
Great point tho...

[KingZayd]

making mistakes does not make you a villain.

[Archonsg]

Bottom line, all options for ME3's ending *are* bad.
There are now with the EC, 4 options. Out of the 4, 3 requires you to submit to an ultimatum and commit an act of suicide. All three choices have Shepard compromise himself and or his ideals if you are playing as a Paragon, renegades only have to question why they are committing suicide. Of these three choices, Shepard is dead for sure in two, and the third case, truly dead if conditions aren't met and mostly dead if they are.

The fourth choice actually is in line with Shepard's character Renegade or Paragon, but dooms the entire galaxy. 
Take what you will, but that's how it ends.
Its the Direction they wanted and defended.
Isn't art grand?

Modifié par Archonsg, 30 décembre 2012 - 09:20 .

[RocketManSR2]

Funny, I could have sworn I felt like s*** after choosing Destroy and killing EDI along with a species that I had just helped to make peace with.

- Giving myself to the Reapers or violating the galaxy were out of the question. Also, the Catalyst's faulty logic is all the proof I need that it lost it's freakin' mind at some point and needed to be destroyed.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 30 décembre 2012 - 09:29 .

[Jadebaby]

My two cents is all the Crucible choices make you a villain to someone, in some light.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

My two cents is all the Crucible choices make you a villain to someone, in some light.

My two cents is that Shepard and his crew were always villians to someone....

[Archonsg]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Funny, I could have sworn I felt like s*** after choosing Destroy and killing a species that I had just helped to make peace with.

Only if you are playing as a Paragon.
Renegades do not have this issue.

in fact, if you look closely at how tge game plays out, playing as a Renegade is *required*

Krogan problem?
No sweat. Trick them, have them commit forces and in the process you are "culling the herd" while the doctored cure gives them false hope till their females have pregnancy complications / find out the truth. By then it'll be too late. And murdering Mordin would tie up any loose ends.
But hey, you aren't a "villian" just doing what is necessary.
Geth aren't people, Quarians only have themselves ti blame, EDI isn't a friend, you can't be friends with a robot.

Yup. Renegade is the way to go.
The *only* way if you don't want issues such as morality to get in the way.

[Ieldra]

LucasShark wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@OP:
There's more to being a villain than just doing certain things. You need to have a certain mindset. You can certainly play a villainous Shepard and choose, say, Renegade Control, but you're not forced into a villain's mindset.

In Destroy and Synthesis, you're asked "Can I justify this", and anwering "yes" does not make you a villain. In Control, you're asked "Would I trust myself with this power", and yet again, answering "yes" does not make you a villain. In all three cases, you're proven right by the epilogue. In Refuse, you don't need to be a principles zealot, you can just be a tragically flawed human who can't bring himself to make a choice that would save his civilization.

"Do I trust myself to doll out absolute justice to the entire bloody universe?"  ANYONE, who can seriously ask that question of themselves and answer in the positive is seriously psycologically damaged.

Absolute justice? Control!Shep is not implied to be a ruler. Not the Paragon version anyway. You can start with the mindset that it's best to leave things alone if at all feasible and only directly intervene if galactic civilization is endangered. Otherwise, you'll subtly influence cultural climate to steer civilization into a specific direction.

If you think you'll have to be a psychopath in order to be a good "power", then you lack imagination.

[Ieldra]

Jade8aby88 wrote...
My two cents is all the Crucible choices make you a villain to someone, in some light.

And Refuse doesn't?

Oh, I forgot there is no one left to judge...

[Archonsg]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
My two cents is all the Crucible choices make you a villain to someone, in some light.

And Refuse doesn't?

Oh, I forgot there is no one left to judge...

The cycle that destroyed the reapers based on the info you left behind, and as a true neutral in this case does not think of Shepard as a viilian. Or at least as implied by the alien female and her charge.

[AlanC9]

LucasShark wrote...

Scions consist of 3 partial humans wrapped around a giant gun: somehow I don't think that is finding a normal life anytime soon.

Didn't say they would. But would they prefer death? If so, they can blow all three of their own brains out; they're armed, right? If they prefer to live, that's their business.

[AlanC9]

Archonsg wrote...

The cycle that destroyed the reapers based on the info you left behind, and as a true neutral in this case does not think of Shepard as a viilian. Or at least as implied by the alien female and her charge.

Does Stargazer 2 know that Shepard screwed up on the Citadel? Hopefully not... if only so Liara and company died without ever knowing how badly Shepard had failed the galaxy.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

LucasShark wrote...

Renegade+control = Psycotic all-powerful space stalin.... yeah: that's not villainous at all...

Laughed loud IRL reading that

Edit: I actually hate that ME deprives you of the choice to roleplay evil and side with IM/Reapers.

Modifié par SomeoneStoleMyName, 30 décembre 2012 - 10:19 .

[shodiswe]

Cypher_CS wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

"You’re also never going to be the villain of Mass Effect 3. If you take every Renegade option in the game, you may be brusque with your friends and brutal to your enemies; you may make hard choices that cost you friendships; you may have to go to your grave carrying the weight of crimes that would have you reviled as a monster if they ever came to light. But you are always fighting to save the galaxy, no matter what tactics you take."
- Patrick Weekes

http://blog.bioware....-mass-effect-3/

What do you think, guys? Do you become the villain of Mass Effect 3 if you choose Control or Synthesis?

EDIT: Some people argue that Destroy also makes you a villain. The same goes for Refuse. So are you a villain no matter what you choose?

That was stated before EC.

Definitely, I feel that some of the scenes in the EC do carry warnings.
As some here stated, Renegade Control has Shepard talking... and that feels as a warning of whats to come.
A dictatorship. Shepard will shape the universe in it's own vision.

Power corrupts, Absolute power....

Paragon control seems to care more for the "People" and their needs or wants...

Though the Renegade Control seems more like a Super Space Emperor wanting to build the greatest Empire in the universe! Keep working! We've almost completed the Andromeda Relay! Soon we will bring our enlightenment and leadership to a new galaxy! Through the force of arms if they don't integrate peacefully!

[Archonsg]

AlanC9 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

The cycle that destroyed the reapers based on the info you left behind, and as a true neutral in this case does not think of Shepard as a viilian. Or at least as implied by the alien female and her charge.

Does Stargazer 2 know that Shepard screwed up on the Citadel? Hopefully not... if only so Liara and company died without ever knowing how badly Shepard had failed the galaxy.

Depends on the point of view. My Renegade Shepard would refuse simply based on the grounds that if he is to die, its going to be with a gun in his hands and as not as an act of suicide by a) grabing two electrolodes, take a swan dive into a disintergrating beam and c) walking towards a tube while shooting it with the intent to cause an explosion.

If the rest of the galaxy dies, well, they were warned not once but twice. Even when working for Cerberus, intel was sent to  alliance HQ and Council. If they didn't even bother to follow up and thus verify on that intel (it was obvious they didn't) they deserved what they get. After all these aren't really "Reapers" harvesting them. That  claim has been dismissed.

Modifié par Archonsg, 30 décembre 2012 - 11:22 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
My two cents is all the Crucible choices make you a villain to someone, in some light.

And Refuse doesn't?

Oh, I forgot there is no one left to judge...

Actually there are, or didn't you see the Asari in the Stargazer scene?

[Dr_Extrem]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
My two cents is all the Crucible choices make you a villain to someone, in some light.

And Refuse doesn't?

Oh, I forgot there is no one left to judge...

Actually there are, or didn't you see the Asari in the Stargazer scene?

hell .. let joker pick up shepard and then build a decent stasis facility - one that works. save a self sustaining number of people from each civilisation and prepare for the next s**tstorm.