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[iOnlySignIn]

While I appreciate the world of Thedas and the characters in it from a literary point of view, I never find much in it likable in an in-universe sense (unlike with other ficitonal universes such as the Mass Effect universe). So I wonder, instead of the usual BioWare formula of "Gather Your Allies, then Save the World", could I please have the option to destroy Thedas? Specifically on my to-do list:

- Destroy the Chantry in a decisive, irreversible way. Not just the institution, but the supersition itself. For example, I could provide irrefutable evidence to the world that Andraste was in fact a bloodmage prostitute.

- Completely break down the Veil. Instead of "thinning" it here and there. Every being from Thedas is now free to enter the Fade at will, like Mages could. And Spirits/Demons are free to roam our world as well.

- Annihilation of the Templars, the Orlesian Chevaliers, the Qunari Beresaad, and the Tevinter millitary. Ideally, by pitting them in an epic battle and letting them slaughter each other. With cannons and magical beam explosions.

- By a combination of the above (religious upheaval, demonic invasion, military exhaustion) and other means, make sure that the feudal sociopolitical structures of Thedas (mainly in the form of Orlais and Tevinter) are gone permanently.

Why would I want these? I feel that Thedas is stagnant and corrupt from all the social oppression and intellectual superstition. It needs to be torn down completely and rebuilt from ground up. That would be my mission as the Inquisitor.

BioWare, will you allow me?

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 30 décembre 2012 - 05:09 .

[Wulfram]

Sounds like Morrigan/Flemeth's agenda.

Maybe that's what happens if you did the Dark Ritual.

[PsychoBlonde]

You can't destroy Thedas! It's where I keep all my stuff!!

Seriously, though, destroying the world is crazy. You can save it for various reasons, but why destroy it? Not interested in actually playing a protagonist who is just batshyte insane--not to mention that the game should end in about 5 minutes when you start foaming at the mouth and your companions put you down.

[iOnlySignIn]

Wulfram wrote...

Sounds like Morrigan/Flemeth's agenda.

They are my favorite characters for good reasons.

And why must we oppose them? Please don't force us to oppose them like we're forced to oppose TIM in ME3.

[iOnlySignIn]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Seriously, though, destroying the world is crazy. You can save it for various reasons, but why destroy it? Not interested in actually playing a protagonist who is just batshyte insane--not to mention that the game should end in about 5 minutes when you start foaming at the mouth and your companions put you down.

I'm saving it through destroying it. Salvation through destruction, if you will.

And I'm sure if I'm the writer, I can come up with convincing dialogues for my companions to support this agenda. Or could successfully swindle them into helping me achieve it.

[Androme]

I doubt Morrigan and Flemeth have the same agenda, nor do I think what was done to T.I.M in ME3 will happen to Morrigan (maybe Flemeth), T.I.M was my favourite character in the entire ME series btw, such a shame what they did to him in ME3. Morrigan & Flemeth are my favourite characters in the DA series aswell, but I don't really think either of them have the complete destruction of Thedas as an agenda, and I wouldn't want that either.

[DragonAgeTemplar]

Thedas is destroyed maybe sometime in the future when Bioware let us play as Darkspawns
If Bioware going to make a dark time upon Thedas, I hope its not a Witch war between Mori and Flemi who makes Thedas to a dark place in the future..
Only Darkspawns should get that spot, Would like to play as speaking Darkspawn but speaking Darkspawns don't exist right? So, Thedas will be always a save place.

[In Exile]

There is basically no way. No game that wasn't a one-hit wonder that allowed you that much latitude in changing the world.

[Auintus]

OP, destroying the social, political, and religions foundations of Thedas is not the same as destroying Thedas itself.
That said, the level of chaos you would spread would have to be restricted to the scope of the game, so your reign of terror would likely have to be spread over several games it get everywhere.
However, that would require to great a divergence of storylines, which would make further sequels difficult, so I highly doubt you will have that choice.

[Herr Uhl]

In Exile wrote...

There is basically no way. No game that wasn't a one-hit wonder that allowed you that much latitude in changing the world.

Unless it establishes a definite canon. Kotor has had two sequels.

[Emzamination]

Why even bother? Gaider would just retcon it. But considering the op, this isn't a serious question anyway.

[iOnlySignIn]

Auintus wrote...

OP, destroying the social, political, and religions foundations of Thedas is not the same as destroying Thedas itself.

Indeed. But then the thread title would be too long, wouldn't it?

Herr Uhl wrote...

In Exile wrote...

There is basically no way. No game that wasn't a one-hit wonder that allowed you that much latitude in changing the world. 

Unless it establishes a definite canon. Kotor has had two sequels.

Auintus wrote...
However, that would require to great a divergence of storylines, which would make further sequels difficult, so I highly doubt you will have that choice.

Yeah, always this same problem. If I must choose between:

(1) Having no choice/none of your choices matter, ala DA and ME

or

(2) Having real choices, but only one of them being canon, ala KotOR.

I choose the latter.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 30 décembre 2012 - 07:57 .

[InfinitePaths]

And how different would the  import worlds for DA4 be?

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 30 décembre 2012 - 07:59 .

[DarthLaxian]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

You can't destroy Thedas! It's where I keep all my stuff!!

Seriously, though, destroying the world is crazy. You can save it for various reasons, but why destroy it? Not interested in actually playing a protagonist who is just batshyte insane--not to mention that the game should end in about 5 minutes when you start foaming at the mouth and your companions put you down.

yes - this so much, because what he/she (the OP) really wants, is not to destroy the world, he just wants to re-shape it (like destroying a sandcastle in a sandbox does not destroy the sandbox itself!) and tear down all that useless chantry dogma, destroy the stagnating structures etc. and make room for something NEW....and:

YES - I could get behind that, also i like Thedas, too but it needs to change IMHO (and with the power our protagonist might have, changing it should be possible, even going as far as destroying most established structures, while keeping the ones really necessary (like the grey wardens - also i would change them as well, by only allowing them to conscript prisoners/traitors etc. who are on death-row as IMHO no free man or women should be forced to bear the taint and forfeit their live because they think it is a good idea!)

so, yeah, why not, that would be totally cool - i highly doubt they will allow it, even more as the game might actually progress then (leaving the middle ages behind and develop some technologies we came across in our history, too - from (hand-)guns, to explosives (only the communist-borg have them ATM) and steam-engines etc.) and somehow they can not have that, also DA seems to have reached the threshold already, with the communist-borg having cannons and explosives...somehow people glorify the middle ages, which is something i do not understand, i would rather have a game in early modern times, then in the middle ages, stuck for millenia (there was not much progress after the Tevinter Empire was established...none to be exact, yes the rulers changed in certain parts, from elves to magisters and then to "local" kings and lords...but then? nothing!)

greetings LAX

[BlueMagitek]

Don't bring up the canon of KotOR. When it is impossible to play a 'canon' game, then there is something wrong with confirming a canon choice.

Well, all Star Wars games are restricted to the 'Light Side wins' (where applicable) resulting in very outlandish or world changing dark side endings, but still, that the KotOR 2 run is impossible to do leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

[Noviere]

I'd rather they not have to delay the game(whose setting I really enjoy!) for 2 years because their workload just doubled(at the very least).

[Get Magna Carter]

If you destroy it, where would Dragon Age 4 be set?

(remembering that Bioware are not going to make 2 different games, one in which the "destruction" took place and one in which it didn't)

[Zerker]

I believe an enhanced mage pc having the option to crack open the veil and command demon groups to conquer a large area would be a great sight.

[TheJediSaint]

No thanks. Nihilistic power fantasies are not my thing.

[Twisted Path]

I've always loved the idea of an RPG with a mid to late game turning point where you either become the hero or the villain and the last boss is either your good or evil companions. Mask of the Betrayer is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that sort of qualifies.

Destroying the world seems a little silly though.

[PsychoBlonde]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Seriously, though, destroying the world is crazy. You can save it for various reasons, but why destroy it? Not interested in actually playing a protagonist who is just batshyte insane--not to mention that the game should end in about 5 minutes when you start foaming at the mouth and your companions put you down.

I'm saving it through destroying it. Salvation through destruction, if you will.

And I'm sure if I'm the writer, I can come up with convincing dialogues for my companions to support this agenda. Or could successfully swindle them into helping me achieve it.

I see, so your actual goal ISN'T, in fact, to destroy the world, but to CHANGE it.

[Overdosing]

Well, in the end you have a ME2-ending type situation, where if you **** up in a ton of places, your story stops right there and you can't use the save import for any more Dragon Age games, unless you redo the entire game or keep yourself from destroying Thedas.

Or, your story won't count as canon. Depends.