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[iOnlySignIn]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I see, so your actual goal ISN'T, in fact, to destroy the world, but to CHANGE it.

Yeah. But I figured that "Changing Thedas for the better by destroying its feudal sociopolitical structure and supersitions" would be too long for a thread title.
And I wish to see who actually reads the OP in addition to the title. 

TheJediSaint wrote...

No thanks. Nihilistic power fantasies are not my thing.

We all have our fantasies, JediSaint. 

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 30 décembre 2012 - 11:02 .

[M Hedonist]

After ME3, I'd be completely happy if I just get the option not to screw Thedas over at the end of the game.

[BouncyFrag]

I'm usually a good/noble character but sometimes its fun to watch the world burn whilst laughing manically. Games in general don't handle playing as an 'evil' character well. Most of the time you are given the options to be a jerk for no reason other than being a jerk even if it does nothing to add/diminish to your ruthless agenda. KOTOR did this well and the dark side ending was just as good, if not better, than the light side one.

In regards to an import save for future Dragon Age games, you just won't be able to import it in this case. Its a simple solution and would make sense since your actions (or inactions) haven't left much of a world to return to.

More options are usually a good thing as it would be in this case.

[Sol Downer]

Excuse me, are you related to this man?
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Ultimashade, 31 décembre 2012 - 10:01 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I see, so your actual goal ISN'T, in fact, to destroy the world, but to CHANGE it.

Yeah. But I figured that "Changing Thedas for the better by destroying its feudal sociopolitical structure and supersitions" would be too long for a thread title.

TheDas IS a medieval, feudal world.

This desire to snap ones fingers and turn it into a modern democracy is not only silly, but also completely misguided.

[Neoleviathan]

Would be fun for certain characters, depending on what origins & the limits of roleplay they allow us it might be a good option. & Bioware already kindof did this kind of thing in some their previous games.The ending where Revan leads the Sith again as an example, or more recently the ME3 ending where everyone gets vaporized! 


I don't think porting save files will be an issue. This is going to be the third game afterall, it'd be unusual for there to be any direct sequals I think. Plus Bioware has been focused with Mass Effect & Dragon Age for a while, they still have Jade Empire & a few other titles to play around with not considering any new IP's they might be hungry for.

Modifié par Neoleviathan, 31 décembre 2012 - 09:30 .

[Plaintiff]

 Obviously not, if they intend to make more games that are set there. Any fundamental world changes will occur as an automatic part of the plot, not through any player choices.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 31 décembre 2012 - 12:09 .

[Saibh]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Destroying the world is the idea of Maker, darkspawn exist to destroy the world, as a punishment from the Maker....But there is Grey Warden who defy the Maker stopping the Blight

Abominations also exist to destroy the world, the Maker make Mages, and they are vulnerable for possession, no matter how the Chantry want to control it, they can't...and the last one it lead to rebellion, the world is in flame...

So why not just destroy the world as the Maker wish?

The Maker hate the world

If the Maker wanted the world destroyed, it would be gone. The Chantry argues that all of those things happen for different reasons than what you've said.

That is, if the Chantry version matches up with reality (we have strong evidence it doesn't), and if the Maker is real.

To OP, no. BioWare is not going to let you destroy Thedas because it'll create too big of a rift for the next game. 

Modifié par Saibh, 31 décembre 2012 - 02:45 .

[iOnlySignIn]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I see, so your actual goal ISN'T, in fact, to destroy the world, but to CHANGE it.

Yeah. But I figured that "Changing Thedas for the better by destroying its feudal sociopolitical structure and supersitions" would be too long for a thread title.

TheDas IS a medieval, feudal world.

This desire to snap ones fingers and turn it into a modern democracy is not only silly, but also completely misguided.

Who wants modern democracy? I know I do not.

I want Renaissance. Reformation. Age of Discovery. You read history at all?

You may be in love with a medieval feudal society, but societies evolve, whether you like it or not.

[iOnlySignIn]

Plaintiff wrote...

Obviously not, if they intend to make more games that are set there. Any fundamental world changes will occur as an automatic part of the plot, not through any player choices.

Yeah have fun with that. How did fighting Orsino in the Mage ending of DA2 work out for you? Fulfilling, isn't it?

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 31 décembre 2012 - 03:17 .

[iOnlySignIn]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Destroying the world is the idea of Maker, darkspawn exist to destroy the world, as a punishment from the Maker....But there is Grey Warden who defy the Maker stopping the Blight

Abominations also exist to destroy the world, the Maker make Mages, and they are vulnerable for possession, no matter how the Chantry want to control it, they can't...and the last one it lead to rebellion, the world is in flame...

So why not just destroy the world as the Maker wish?

The Maker hate the world

There is profound wisdom in these words.

[Fast Jimmy]

Saibh wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

Destroying the world is the idea of Maker, darkspawn exist to destroy the world, as a punishment from the Maker....But there is Grey Warden who defy the Maker stopping the Blight

Abominations also exist to destroy the world, the Maker make Mages, and they are vulnerable for possession, no matter how the Chantry want to control it, they can't...and the last one it lead to rebellion, the world is in flame...

So why not just destroy the world as the Maker wish?

The Maker hate the world

If the Maker wanted the world destroyed, it would be gone. The Chantry argues that all of those things happen for different reasons than what you've said.

That is, if the Chantry version matches up with reality (we have strong evidence it doesn't), and if the Maker is real.

To OP, no. BioWare is not going to let you destroy Thedas because it'll create too big of a rift for the next game. 

As the old bumper sticker goes...

1. The Maker is All-Powerful
2. Evil exists in the world and good people suffer because of it
3. The Maker is Good

Pick the two you want to believe, because you can't pick all three.


Also, as my bumper sticker goes... blame the Save Import.

[Huntress]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
 I feel that Thedas is stagnant and corrupt from all the social oppression and intellectual superstition. It needs to be torn down completely and rebuilt from ground up. That would be my mission as the Inquisitor.

BioWare, will you allow me?

[EmperorSahlertz]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I see, so your actual goal ISN'T, in fact, to destroy the world, but to CHANGE it.

Yeah. But I figured that "Changing Thedas for the better by destroying its feudal sociopolitical structure and supersitions" would be too long for a thread title.

TheDas IS a medieval, feudal world.

This desire to snap ones fingers and turn it into a modern democracy is not only silly, but also completely misguided.

Who wants modern democracy? I know I do not.

I want Renaissance. Reformation. Age of Discovery. You read history at all?

You may be in love with a medieval feudal society, but societies evolve, whether you like it or not.

Yes... Exactly.. They EVOLVE... What you are advocating is anarchy, and tehn you would somehow magically create a whole new and functional society, purely through your own willpower. If BioWare were to indclude a (hope fully non-canon) option to tear down society as Thedas knows it, it should hold the proper consequences, and end in utter chaos, with the player left with only the pain and regret of his own decissions as all he planned went terribly wrong. Unless of course he was an anarchist from the start in which case, good job!

[NoForgiveness]

DragonAgeTemplar wrote...

Thedas is destroyed maybe sometime in the future when Bioware let us play as Darkspawns
If Bioware going to make a dark time upon Thedas, I hope its not a Witch war between Mori and Flemi who makes Thedas to a dark place in the future..
Only Darkspawns should get that spot, Would like to play as speaking Darkspawn but speaking Darkspawns don't exist right? So, Thedas will be always a save place.

did you play awakening?

[inarvan]

I could see it as an end-of-game option, but that would be all they could do with it. It'd have to be a dead end, metaplot-wise. I like a good deal of player agency in my rpgs, but every game has to draw the line somewhere.

[Zekka]

If you would like to take over society as a dictator or something that would be good but destroying the world just to destroy it would be too catastrophic. I hope if they actually let us play as a villain-like character it isn't like mass effect 3 where we use a device to wipe out a whole race.

[deuce985]

Wow lol. So...basically you just want to see the world burn?



It would be a surprise to be sure but if they're going with this direction, then this DA ending can't be imported into a sequel. Is that a fair compromise? It would be nice to see something a little different. Even if it's a little harsh.

[BouncyFrag]

Anybody else thinking that the whole save import 'feature' is becoming a bit of a liability with these games? On one hand I like the idea of having my choices and things carry over, but most of the objections to this are because of the import feature and the problems it could bring. Big picture wise it seems to limit what Bioware could do in the game. Not being able to import a save of a doomed world would be a reasonable compromise though.

[Zippy72]

An rpg in which you commit genocide? It's interesting because it's disturbing. I do kinda wonder if David Gaider and team are secretly anti-elven, as we can destroy a clan in each game. Three-for-three in DA:I?

[BouncyFrag]

Zippy72 wrote...

An rpg in which you commit genocide? It's interesting because it's disturbing. I do kinda wonder if David Gaider and team are secretly anti-elven, as we can destroy a clan in each game. Three-for-three in DA:I?

DA:I will allow us to wipe them all out. They can become the 'dwemer' of the Dragon Age games without the steam powered baddies and bulky, ugly armor.

[deuce985]

Zippy72 wrote...

An rpg in which you commit genocide? It's interesting because it's disturbing. I do kinda wonder if David Gaider and team are secretly anti-elven, as we can destroy a clan in each game. Three-for-three in DA:I?

No doubt Bioware hates elves. Derogatory names like knife-ears, destroying clans, and we can't even play as elves anymore! The only explanation -- You humans are all racist!

Modifié par deuce985, 31 décembre 2012 - 09:14 .

[Dave of Canada]

I agree. Most players play their stories to satisfy their "YAY I'M A HERO, YAY NO CASUALTIES" urges. Why can't the psycopaths enjoy their own urges? The option to burn down an entire city with orphans locked inside would be brilliant and deep.