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[Ownedbacon]

Everything about the Crucible is ridiculously contrived. The timing, the placement, its design, construction, and how it surpasses the technology of the Catalyst since synthesis was attempted and failed. How could such a device be designed and built the way it was under the circumstances?

Why didn't we get a weapon developed after intel gathered from the Collector's base and the Human-Reaper or something developing from ME2? It would have made much more sense and not render ME2 completely pointless.

[Scottus4]

Why didn't we get a weapon developed after...

Exactly the Illusive Man's point. The Alliance was sitting on their ***es with valuable intel and TIM believes only Cereberus has what it takes to end the Reaper threat. The Alliance is reactive, Cerberus is proactive.

[arial]

Ownedbacon wrote...

Everything about the Crucible is ridiculously contrived. The timing, the placement, its design, construction, and how it surpasses the technology of the Catalyst since synthesis was attempted and failed. How could such a device be designed and built the way it was under the circumstances?

Why didn't we get a weapon developed after intel gathered from the Collector's base and the Human-Reaper or something developing from ME2? It would have made much more sense and not render ME2 completely pointless.

because then everyone who destroyed the base automatically lose. = angry Customers

ME2 was not completely pointless. its how we recieved the SR2, how we know TIM, and met many characters who play a vital part in the war effort, even if they are not working directly with Shepard.

[Xellith]

Cameron: “When you learn how to speak to a person’s conscience and circumnavigate the intellect, the subject of the mass effect 3 plot seems to disappear.”

Comfort: “... this is real good news for people like me. It means that I don’t have to become an expert on common sense and learn big words like Plot and Narrative”

Cameron: “Now are we trying to be anti-intellectual or avoid talking about the subject of mass effect 3? Of course not...”

[Someone With Mass]

arial wrote...
because then everyone who destroyed the base automatically lose. = angry Customers

Didn't stop Cerberus from recovering all the important tech from the debris field.

[arial]

Someone With Mass wrote...

arial wrote...
because then everyone who destroyed the base automatically lose. = angry Customers

Didn't stop Cerberus from recovering all the important tech from the debris field.

which caused TIM to become Indoctrinated

Modifié par arial, 01 janvier 2013 - 12:25 .

[OdanUrr]

Yes, OP, it's highly convenient.

[Someone With Mass]

arial wrote...
which caused TIM to become Indoctrinated

Because he was already implanted with Reaper tech.

Also, the Alliance favor drones to recover useful assets when dealing with indoctrination fields.

[LucasShark]

This is why I despise the crucible: we do literally nothing to defeat the Reapers. We as a player have still less involvement, but our workers do all the work of a child putting togeather a lego set. This isn't a victory: it's the narrative letting us win.

Why was no development done with all that data from the SR2? Even with the human councilor in many playthroughs and the most decorated (and stupid) admiral of the fleet fully aware of what would happen?

Why was the data on Mars at all? Since when did "the archives" ever exist?

[Ticonderoga117]

LucasShark wrote...

Since when did "the archives" ever exist?

Here's a better question, if this data was meant to be seen and used (because otherwise it would be missed and then completely pointless) how didn't the scientists find these plans after decades?!

[LucasShark]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Since when did "the archives" ever exist?

Here's a better question, if this data was meant to be seen and used (because otherwise it would be missed and then completely pointless) how didn't the scientists find these plans after decades?!

Also a good question: the proposition here is that the Reapers, ancient space beings who sweep for this exact thing every cycle, and one assumes quite throughly missed this spot, and humans found it (yeah yeah: Liara's magical knowledge, still bollocks).

Also impossible is the idea that the Protheans could get it here since Sol is relay-accessable and thus would be cut off once the Reapers invade.

[Someone With Mass]

LucasShark wrote...

Also impossible is the idea that the Protheans could get it here since Sol is relay-accessable and thus would be cut off once the Reapers invade.

Weren't they studying the humans before the invasion, though?

[Massa FX]

Yep. Those Prothean archives on Mars that humanity largely ignored for many years, but a Prothean beacon on Eden Prime is ... strangely more important. Captain Anderson, Nihlus, the Normandy and Commander Shepard are sent to retrieve a beacon when an entire treasure trove of Prothean history and technology is located in Earth's backyard.

Seems Legit

LOLZ!!!

[Ticonderoga117]

LucasShark wrote...
Also a good question: the proposition here is that the Reapers, ancient space beings who sweep for this exact thing every cycle, and one assumes quite throughly missed this spot, and humans found it (yeah yeah: Liara's magical knowledge, still bollocks).

Multiply this a thousand times and you get why I don't like the idea of the Crucible being a deviced past down over the eons. It's BS.

[Dr_Extrem]

the crucible, the mars archives and the relay network.


funny thing .,.


how did the protheans get the crucibles plans to the mars facility? .. the relay network was shut down by the reapers and obviously, there was not beacon on mars. (shepard would have used it back in me1)

why didnt they place more plans for the crucible? .. thessia had a very large archive - and vendetta was stored there as well. vendetta is based on the master researcher of the protheans crucible project - and there were no plans for the device itself included? 

what about the turians, salarians and hanar? the protheans gave the hanar speach. why not drop the plans (and vendetta) there as well?

why scatter the plans and the vi over several worlds? .. the humans could go extinct or it is possible. that they would not have been "evolved enough", to use them in this cycle. (kennedy saved this cycle, by ending the cuba-crisis peacefully.)

the reapers could have decided, that the asari are advanced enough to become harvested - they were heavily influenced by the protheans. this would result in the loss of vendetta.

how did the vi get to thessia in the first place? .. the relay network was shut down ...


it looks like the protheans entered "full retard"-mode, the moment the reapers attacked. ... ok .. the same happend to us as well. reapers seam to have this effect when they end a cycle.

as the plot demands.

[LucasShark]

Someone With Mass wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Also impossible is the idea that the Protheans could get it here since Sol is relay-accessable and thus would be cut off once the Reapers invade.

Weren't they studying the humans before the invasion, though?

Yeah: that was the implication from the first 2 games... but apparently that includes "developing a super weapon for a threat we haven't encountered yet."

[arial]

Someone With Mass wrote...

arial wrote...
which caused TIM to become Indoctrinated

Because he was already implanted with Reaper tech.

Also, the Alliance favor drones to recover useful assets when dealing with indoctrination fields.

lol no, he was not implanted with Reaper tech till sometime after Thessia (as you can see on the video log on Cronos).

Just like Saren was Indoctrinated, but was not implanted with Reaper tech till after Virmire

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

That's a good question, OP.

Reminds me of other questions like "How did Tali get the data necessary to convict Saren almost immediately after the attack? And why did the council immediately accept this evidence of undeniable proof? Furthermore, why was Saren making his speech to Geth in the first place? Heck, why did Saren attack Eden Prime in person? He's got an army of Geth at his disposal! Surely he could've gotten them to retrieve the beacon so he couldn't be associated with the attack."

Man, it's all so contrived and nonsensical!

[arial]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

That's a good question, OP.

Reminds me of other questions like "How did Tali get the data necessary to convict Saren almost immediately after the attack? And why did the council immediately accept this evidence of undeniable proof? Furthermore, why was Saren making his speech to Geth in the first place? Heck, why did Saren attack Eden Prime in person? He's got an army of Geth at his disposal! Surely he could've gotten them to retrieve the beacon so he couldn't be associated with the attack."

Man, it's all so contrived and nonsensical!

the Beacon was damaged and unstable (thus it blew up when Shepard used it). it is likely he did not want to risk to being destroyed in transfer so he went to use it himself (this would explain why he just left it there afterwards)

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

arial wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

That's a good question, OP.

Reminds me of other questions like "How did Tali get the data necessary to convict Saren almost immediately after the attack? And why did the council immediately accept this evidence of undeniable proof? Furthermore, why was Saren making his speech to Geth in the first place? Heck, why did Saren attack Eden Prime in person? He's got an army of Geth at his disposal! Surely he could've gotten them to retrieve the beacon so he couldn't be associated with the attack."

Man, it's all so contrived and nonsensical!

the Beacon was damaged and unstable (thus it blew up when Shepard used it). it is likely he did not want to risk to being destroyed in transfer so he went to use it himself (this would explain why he just left it there afterwards)

I always figured Saren damaged the Beacon after using it and, realizing that Shepard was on his tail, left the Geth behind to finish the job. Especially so when you consider using it didn't leave him unconcious (that we're aware of).

Modifié par Leonardo the Magnificent, 01 janvier 2013 - 02:07 .

[LucasShark]

arial wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

That's a good question, OP.

Reminds me of other questions like "How did Tali get the data necessary to convict Saren almost immediately after the attack? And why did the council immediately accept this evidence of undeniable proof? Furthermore, why was Saren making his speech to Geth in the first place? Heck, why did Saren attack Eden Prime in person? He's got an army of Geth at his disposal! Surely he could've gotten them to retrieve the beacon so he couldn't be associated with the attack."

Man, it's all so contrived and nonsensical!

the Beacon was damaged and unstable (thus it blew up when Shepard used it). it is likely he did not want to risk to being destroyed in transfer so he went to use it himself (this would explain why he just left it there afterwards)

As for Tali posessing the data: we don't really know the timeframe (due to ME game time compression in the map screen), and they make specific note to tell us HOW she got it.  Now if you rephraised that to "why was a Geth conveniently in the presence of Saren and then sent on a mission", then you have something, but that's a bit of a stretch.

[arial]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

arial wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

That's a good question, OP.

Reminds me of other questions like "How did Tali get the data necessary to convict Saren almost immediately after the attack? And why did the council immediately accept this evidence of undeniable proof? Furthermore, why was Saren making his speech to Geth in the first place? Heck, why did Saren attack Eden Prime in person? He's got an army of Geth at his disposal! Surely he could've gotten them to retrieve the beacon so he couldn't be associated with the attack."

Man, it's all so contrived and nonsensical!

the Beacon was damaged and unstable (thus it blew up when Shepard used it). it is likely he did not want to risk to being destroyed in transfer so he went to use it himself (this would explain why he just left it there afterwards)

I always figured Saren damaged the Beacon after using it and, realizing that Shepard was on his tail, left the Geth behind to finish the job. Especially so when you consider using it didn't leave him unconcious (that we're aware of).

before Eden Prime Saren had no experience with Shepard, just knew he was Andersons "pupil". and as Saren had outsmarted Anderson before hand, he likely did not think he would make it to the Beacon anyways (I mean, the Geth Slaughtered the entire 212 (except for Ashley). he probably thought Shepard would have the same fate).

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

yes its almost as stupid as the asari's holding onto a prothean artifact until the reapers finally took over thessia not saying humans was hiding the Crucible but to now find it after decades >.>! beside that fact i'm still pissed they locked my Shepard up for 6 months and clearly did nothing to prepare i understand the batarians but at least prepare! im sure they had evidence to prepare no? >! then they finally ask "what do we do"

                                           face-palm----ooo----we fight or we die
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       I don't know you locked me up!-----ooo----find a Reaper off switch!

You wonder why Cerbarus is one step ahead

Modifié par IMNOTCRAZYiminsane, 01 janvier 2013 - 02:50 .

[PsiMatrix]

I always thought the weapon that took out the Klendagon Reaper would've been used at some point. TIM made note about finding it; I thought that it might play a role in ME3. Reverse-engineered like Thanix cannon tech.