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[txgoldrush]

Kabraxal wrote...


Except the reapers didn't rebel against their creator if Leviathan is to be believed *shock awe gasp* 

The EC only put a window dressing of "difference".  In fact, every choice you make prior to the actual ending choice is absolutely pointless.  THey literally do not matter.  And this would have been fine if two things had happened... they didn't promise "widly varied endings" where it was "impossible for two players to get the same ending" and a epilogue that actually gives you information on how each choice actually affected the future ala Dragon Age Origins.  Instead we get a pseudo intellectual lecture that you can't refute riddled with "choices" that are the same no matter what you do practically and then aren't even given the respect to have a long, exposition driven epilogue showing what happened to our squadmates specifically, what happend with the Krogan, what happened because you trusted EDI and supported her and Joker, and what happened because you brokered peace with the Geth and thus nullifed the very stupid assumption of the damn starbrat in the first place?

So yeah, keep defending these endings.  It doesn't make them good and it doesn't give Bioware a get out of jail card for breaking every damn promise they made about the endings.  

The rest of the game... mostly amazing and still a joy to play.  The ending mixed with some flaws turned out to be a huge slap in the face to any actual fan that gave a damn about the series from day one.  As I said elsewhere.... this is akin to taking The Lord of the Rings and having Frodo kill Gollum then strike down Sam before walking out of the mountain covered in blood with an evil smile while a montage plays of the entirety of middle earth is set ablaze and drowning  in blood.  Instead of being a tale about the triumph of rather normal men in trying times, it suddenly becomes the twisted tale of cruel reality smothering all hope.  Mass Effect had been uplifting and powerful.. instead it degrades Shepard into a powerless pawn trapped in a fate that cannot be denied.  Yeah... it was really true to what the sereis had been <_<

Wrong, the Leviathan said they betrayed them and Shepard can say this to the Catalyst.

Wrong again, the Krogan outcomes for Wrex, Wreav, and genophage sabotage are clearly different, as well as Eve's involvement. Rannoch outcomes are different. Hell, the Krogan outcome affects, along with alignment, how Control Shep will guard the galaxy. Paragon Control Shep would take issue with Wreav, not Renegade Shep.

And once again while DAO spoonfeeds your future, ME3 lets you think about it. But the dumb fanbase, everything has to be spoon fed.

And really, what would EDI and the Geth be WITHOUT Shepards influence....answer this. Why does when looking at Shepard, the Catalyst view organics as ready for synthesis? Shepard is a billion year anomaly, and in Leviathan we learn that the Catalyst purpose is not fufilled and that he is using the relay network to control evolution. If we connect the dots because it isn't spoonfed to you...you can say that Shepard is the solution the Catalyst was looking for all along and neither of them know it. But that goes over the average bioware fans head because in the past, everything was spoonfed.

[txgoldrush]

Mr.House wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote..

and yet how much you build your team and your alliances determines what endings you get....did you fail to see this? If you don't build your alliances effectively, the galaxy pays a huge price.

In theory, yeah. In practice, you can't really fail too badly. Too many situations are set up so even the bad option gives you plenty of points. Rannoch's an exception here, but that's mostly dependent on your ME2 import since all the stuff you need to do in ME3 is pretty simple.

I don't think there's a big conceptual problem with the design, but they didn't want to punish people for making bad choices, and if you don't do that then it devalues the point score. There's also a problem with sidequests themselves -- if points are meaningful then sidequests are more-or-less mandatory, but since I think the sidequest conept is worthless in the first place I'd have been happy if all non-crappy endings required you to do the sidequests.

But this is about theory. The narrative itself, not the gameplay elements.

And the worst ending is really crappy. There is a huge difference on how Priority Earth and Citadel: The Return play out regarding EMS.

I do think the bad EMS ending threshold is too low and with the EC, the best ending EMS ending was overcorrected. 3100 is way too low.....3600 is doable without DLC and multiplayer. With all DLC, I have over 4000 now.

Well seeing as the worst ending is merge and you need high ems I don't see what you mean.

Its basically fufilling the villains purpose...which is fine, its your choice.

[Mr.House]

txgoldrush wrote...


Wrong, the Leviathan said they betrayed them and Shepard can say this to the Catalyst.

Leviathans didn't build the Reapers, the Intelegence did and the Leviathans told him to preserve life NO MATTER THE COST. The Reapers have never betrayed starbrat.

[Kabraxal]

txgoldrush wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...


Except the reapers didn't rebel against their creator if Leviathan is to be believed *shock awe gasp* 

The EC only put a window dressing of "difference".  In fact, every choice you make prior to the actual ending choice is absolutely pointless.  THey literally do not matter.  And this would have been fine if two things had happened... they didn't promise "widly varied endings" where it was "impossible for two players to get the same ending" and a epilogue that actually gives you information on how each choice actually affected the future ala Dragon Age Origins.  Instead we get a pseudo intellectual lecture that you can't refute riddled with "choices" that are the same no matter what you do practically and then aren't even given the respect to have a long, exposition driven epilogue showing what happened to our squadmates specifically, what happend with the Krogan, what happened because you trusted EDI and supported her and Joker, and what happened because you brokered peace with the Geth and thus nullifed the very stupid assumption of the damn starbrat in the first place?

So yeah, keep defending these endings.  It doesn't make them good and it doesn't give Bioware a get out of jail card for breaking every damn promise they made about the endings.  

The rest of the game... mostly amazing and still a joy to play.  The ending mixed with some flaws turned out to be a huge slap in the face to any actual fan that gave a damn about the series from day one.  As I said elsewhere.... this is akin to taking The Lord of the Rings and having Frodo kill Gollum then strike down Sam before walking out of the mountain covered in blood with an evil smile while a montage plays of the entirety of middle earth is set ablaze and drowning  in blood.  Instead of being a tale about the triumph of rather normal men in trying times, it suddenly becomes the twisted tale of cruel reality smothering all hope.  Mass Effect had been uplifting and powerful.. instead it degrades Shepard into a powerless pawn trapped in a fate that cannot be denied.  Yeah... it was really true to what the sereis had been <_<

Wrong, the Leviathan said they betrayed them and Shepard can say this to the Catalyst.

Wrong again, the Krogan outcomes for Wrex, Wreav, and genophage sabotage are clearly different, as well as Eve's involvement. Rannoch outcomes are different. Hell, the Krogan outcome affects, along with alignment, how Control Shep will guard the galaxy. Paragon Control Shep would take issue with Wreav, not Renegade Shep.

And once again while DAO spoonfeeds your future, ME3 lets you think about it. But the dumb fanbase, everything has to be spoon fed.

And really, what would EDI and the Geth be WITHOUT Shepards influence....answer this. Why does when looking at Shepard, the Catalyst view organics as ready for synthesis? Shepard is a billion year anomaly, and in Leviathan we learn that the Catalyst purpose is not fufilled and that he is using the relay network to control evolution. If we connect the dots because it isn't spoonfed to you...you can say that Shepard is the solution the Catalyst was looking for all along and neither of them know it. But that goes over the average bioware fans head because in the past, everything was spoonfed.

Uh... the Reapers were created by the "intelligence".  So yeah, they weren't created by organics.  OOPS.  Someone wasn't paying attention 

And really... this whole spoonfed bull again?  We don't play a series for 100+ hours to get to guess at what bloody happened.  We play to see how our choices affect the world.   But o right, how dare we actually expect closure and the story to actually be told competently.  We are totally the idiots for expecting a series not built on philosophical meandering to have an actual concrete ending with concrete consequences that we get to witness... not guess.  Silly silly us.  

But sadly for you, your bull is backfiring again.  I actually enjoy stories built from day one  to make you think and question: The Fountain, Inception, Total Recall, Journey/Flower, Vanilla Sky..... Mass Effect was not actually that type of story.  But go ahead, keep trying to act superior.  You've proven yourself for what you are and at this point it's just a riot to watch you continually put your foot in your mouth and take all doubt out of the equation.  Usually trolls are far more infuriating.

[txgoldrush]

Mr.House wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...


Wrong, the Leviathan said they betrayed them and Shepard can say this to the Catalyst.

Leviathans didn't build the Reapers, the Intelegence did and the Leviathans told him to preserve life NO MATTER THE COST. The Reapers have never betrayed starbrat.

They didn't build the reapers, but they made starbrat.

And, yes, you can as Shepard tell the Catalyst that the "leviathans think you betrayed them".

[txgoldrush]

Kabraxal wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...


Except the reapers didn't rebel against their creator if Leviathan is to be believed *shock awe gasp* 

The EC only put a window dressing of "difference".  In fact, every choice you make prior to the actual ending choice is absolutely pointless.  THey literally do not matter.  And this would have been fine if two things had happened... they didn't promise "widly varied endings" where it was "impossible for two players to get the same ending" and a epilogue that actually gives you information on how each choice actually affected the future ala Dragon Age Origins.  Instead we get a pseudo intellectual lecture that you can't refute riddled with "choices" that are the same no matter what you do practically and then aren't even given the respect to have a long, exposition driven epilogue showing what happened to our squadmates specifically, what happend with the Krogan, what happened because you trusted EDI and supported her and Joker, and what happened because you brokered peace with the Geth and thus nullifed the very stupid assumption of the damn starbrat in the first place?

So yeah, keep defending these endings.  It doesn't make them good and it doesn't give Bioware a get out of jail card for breaking every damn promise they made about the endings.  

The rest of the game... mostly amazing and still a joy to play.  The ending mixed with some flaws turned out to be a huge slap in the face to any actual fan that gave a damn about the series from day one.  As I said elsewhere.... this is akin to taking The Lord of the Rings and having Frodo kill Gollum then strike down Sam before walking out of the mountain covered in blood with an evil smile while a montage plays of the entirety of middle earth is set ablaze and drowning  in blood.  Instead of being a tale about the triumph of rather normal men in trying times, it suddenly becomes the twisted tale of cruel reality smothering all hope.  Mass Effect had been uplifting and powerful.. instead it degrades Shepard into a powerless pawn trapped in a fate that cannot be denied.  Yeah... it was really true to what the sereis had been <_<

Wrong, the Leviathan said they betrayed them and Shepard can say this to the Catalyst.

Wrong again, the Krogan outcomes for Wrex, Wreav, and genophage sabotage are clearly different, as well as Eve's involvement. Rannoch outcomes are different. Hell, the Krogan outcome affects, along with alignment, how Control Shep will guard the galaxy. Paragon Control Shep would take issue with Wreav, not Renegade Shep.

And once again while DAO spoonfeeds your future, ME3 lets you think about it. But the dumb fanbase, everything has to be spoon fed.

And really, what would EDI and the Geth be WITHOUT Shepards influence....answer this. Why does when looking at Shepard, the Catalyst view organics as ready for synthesis? Shepard is a billion year anomaly, and in Leviathan we learn that the Catalyst purpose is not fufilled and that he is using the relay network to control evolution. If we connect the dots because it isn't spoonfed to you...you can say that Shepard is the solution the Catalyst was looking for all along and neither of them know it. But that goes over the average bioware fans head because in the past, everything was spoonfed.

Uh... the Reapers were created by the "intelligence".  So yeah, they weren't created by organics.  OOPS.  Someone wasn't paying attention 

And really... this whole spoonfed bull again?  We don't play a series for 100+ hours to get to guess at what bloody happened.  We play to see how our choices affect the world.   But o right, how dare we actually expect closure and the story to actually be told competently.  We are totally the idiots for expecting a series not built on philosophical meandering to have an actual concrete ending with concrete consequences that we get to witness... not guess.  Silly silly us.  

But sadly for you, your bull is backfiring again.  I actually enjoy stories built from day one  to make you think and question: The Fountain, Inception, Total Recall, Journey/Flower, Vanilla Sky..... Mass Effect was not actually that type of story.  But go ahead, keep trying to act superior.  You've proven yourself for what you are and at this point it's just a riot to watch you continually put your foot in your mouth and take all doubt out of the equation.  Usually trolls are far more infuriating.

No, I was paying attention....they created the Catalyst and it betrayed them because they were partof the problem they were trying to solve. I equate the Reapers as part of the Catalyst, so yeah the Levithans in a way DID bring about the Reapers. Thats undeniable. No Levitahn creating the AI, no Reapers.

And you prove to be ignorant...ignorant f narrative details, ignorant of the themes. You weren't paying attention. You are trying to make Mass Effect and its ending about something its not. And before you whine that "its not that type of story". Th efate of Joker's sister wasn't spoonfed, you had to connect the dots. And it was effective.

And to show your ignorance....

"Mass Effect had been uplifting and powerful.. instead it degrades Shepard into a powerless pawn trapped in a fate that cannot be denied. Yeah... it was really true to what the sereis had been "

Wrong....did you not even pay attention to the relationship between the Catalyst and Shepard, in which the Catalyst says he himself cannot enact the solution and says that our future depends on you. Where the Catalyst needs Shepard to solve his probelm he is powerless to solve, yeah the God of the Machine is powerless to actually enact the new solutions. Its SHEPARD that decides the fate of the galaxy.

Did you miss the Catalyst saying "You have altered the variables"? The notion that Shepard was powerless is ignorant. One line of dialogue....

[Kabraxal]

txgoldrush wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...


Except the reapers didn't rebel against their creator if Leviathan is to be believed *shock awe gasp* 

The EC only put a window dressing of "difference".  In fact, every choice you make prior to the actual ending choice is absolutely pointless.  THey literally do not matter.  And this would have been fine if two things had happened... they didn't promise "widly varied endings" where it was "impossible for two players to get the same ending" and a epilogue that actually gives you information on how each choice actually affected the future ala Dragon Age Origins.  Instead we get a pseudo intellectual lecture that you can't refute riddled with "choices" that are the same no matter what you do practically and then aren't even given the respect to have a long, exposition driven epilogue showing what happened to our squadmates specifically, what happend with the Krogan, what happened because you trusted EDI and supported her and Joker, and what happened because you brokered peace with the Geth and thus nullifed the very stupid assumption of the damn starbrat in the first place?

So yeah, keep defending these endings.  It doesn't make them good and it doesn't give Bioware a get out of jail card for breaking every damn promise they made about the endings.  

The rest of the game... mostly amazing and still a joy to play.  The ending mixed with some flaws turned out to be a huge slap in the face to any actual fan that gave a damn about the series from day one.  As I said elsewhere.... this is akin to taking The Lord of the Rings and having Frodo kill Gollum then strike down Sam before walking out of the mountain covered in blood with an evil smile while a montage plays of the entirety of middle earth is set ablaze and drowning  in blood.  Instead of being a tale about the triumph of rather normal men in trying times, it suddenly becomes the twisted tale of cruel reality smothering all hope.  Mass Effect had been uplifting and powerful.. instead it degrades Shepard into a powerless pawn trapped in a fate that cannot be denied.  Yeah... it was really true to what the sereis had been <_<

Wrong, the Leviathan said they betrayed them and Shepard can say this to the Catalyst.

Wrong again, the Krogan outcomes for Wrex, Wreav, and genophage sabotage are clearly different, as well as Eve's involvement. Rannoch outcomes are different. Hell, the Krogan outcome affects, along with alignment, how Control Shep will guard the galaxy. Paragon Control Shep would take issue with Wreav, not Renegade Shep.

And once again while DAO spoonfeeds your future, ME3 lets you think about it. But the dumb fanbase, everything has to be spoon fed.

And really, what would EDI and the Geth be WITHOUT Shepards influence....answer this. Why does when looking at Shepard, the Catalyst view organics as ready for synthesis? Shepard is a billion year anomaly, and in Leviathan we learn that the Catalyst purpose is not fufilled and that he is using the relay network to control evolution. If we connect the dots because it isn't spoonfed to you...you can say that Shepard is the solution the Catalyst was looking for all along and neither of them know it. But that goes over the average bioware fans head because in the past, everything was spoonfed.

Uh... the Reapers were created by the "intelligence".  So yeah, they weren't created by organics.  OOPS.  Someone wasn't paying attention 

And really... this whole spoonfed bull again?  We don't play a series for 100+ hours to get to guess at what bloody happened.  We play to see how our choices affect the world.   But o right, how dare we actually expect closure and the story to actually be told competently.  We are totally the idiots for expecting a series not built on philosophical meandering to have an actual concrete ending with concrete consequences that we get to witness... not guess.  Silly silly us.  

But sadly for you, your bull is backfiring again.  I actually enjoy stories built from day one  to make you think and question: The Fountain, Inception, Total Recall, Journey/Flower, Vanilla Sky..... Mass Effect was not actually that type of story.  But go ahead, keep trying to act superior.  You've proven yourself for what you are and at this point it's just a riot to watch you continually put your foot in your mouth and take all doubt out of the equation.  Usually trolls are far more infuriating.

No, I was paying attention....they created the Catalyst and it betrayed them because they were partof the problem they were trying to solve. I equate the Reapers as part of the Catalyst, so yeah the Levithans in a way DID bring about the Reapers. Thats undeniable. No Levitahn creating the AI, no Reapers.

And you prove to be ignorant...ignorant f narrative details, ignorant of the themes. You weren't paying attention. You are trying to make Mass Effect and its ending about something its not. And before you whine that "its not that type of story". Th efate of Joker's sister wasn't spoonfed, you had to connect the dots. And it was effective.

And to show your ignorance....

"Mass Effect had been uplifting and powerful.. instead it degrades Shepard into a powerless pawn trapped in a fate that cannot be denied. Yeah... it was really true to what the sereis had been "

Wrong....did you not even pay attention to the relationship between the Catalyst and Shepard, in which the Catalyst says he himself cannot enact the solution and says that our future depends on you. Where the Catalyst needs Shepard to solve his probelm he is powerless to solve, yeah the God of the Machine is powerless to actually enact the new solutions. Its SHEPARD that decides the fate of the galaxy.

Did you miss the Catalyst saying "You have altered the variables"? The notion that Shepard was powerless is ignorant. One line of dialogue....

Except Shepard is either railraoded into believing his logic or you get the temper tantrum scene from Bioware.  Seriously, if you call that empowering I shudder to think what actual player agency would make you feel.  And that all hinges on actually believing the little brat is telling you the truth and isn't screwing Shepard over with lies.  Oops... did I think too deeply there about existing lore and dare to not be spoonfed.  pardon me.. I'll stop that since you only like that when it means someone can bend down and kiss your almighty feet and be enlightened by your wisdom and superior intellect for figuring it all out.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Shepard the earth is under attack! Oh btw theres a Deus Ex Machina I-win button on Mars that Liara just found, just gotta pick it up and build it then you can *F* the galaxy over by either commit genocide against the Geth, alter all life against everyones will or become a reaper. LOL!

[txgoldrush]

Kabraxal wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...


Except the reapers didn't rebel against their creator if Leviathan is to be believed *shock awe gasp* 

The EC only put a window dressing of "difference".  In fact, every choice you make prior to the actual ending choice is absolutely pointless.  THey literally do not matter.  And this would have been fine if two things had happened... they didn't promise "widly varied endings" where it was "impossible for two players to get the same ending" and a epilogue that actually gives you information on how each choice actually affected the future ala Dragon Age Origins.  Instead we get a pseudo intellectual lecture that you can't refute riddled with "choices" that are the same no matter what you do practically and then aren't even given the respect to have a long, exposition driven epilogue showing what happened to our squadmates specifically, what happend with the Krogan, what happened because you trusted EDI and supported her and Joker, and what happened because you brokered peace with the Geth and thus nullifed the very stupid assumption of the damn starbrat in the first place?

So yeah, keep defending these endings.  It doesn't make them good and it doesn't give Bioware a get out of jail card for breaking every damn promise they made about the endings.  

The rest of the game... mostly amazing and still a joy to play.  The ending mixed with some flaws turned out to be a huge slap in the face to any actual fan that gave a damn about the series from day one.  As I said elsewhere.... this is akin to taking The Lord of the Rings and having Frodo kill Gollum then strike down Sam before walking out of the mountain covered in blood with an evil smile while a montage plays of the entirety of middle earth is set ablaze and drowning  in blood.  Instead of being a tale about the triumph of rather normal men in trying times, it suddenly becomes the twisted tale of cruel reality smothering all hope.  Mass Effect had been uplifting and powerful.. instead it degrades Shepard into a powerless pawn trapped in a fate that cannot be denied.  Yeah... it was really true to what the sereis had been <_<

Wrong, the Leviathan said they betrayed them and Shepard can say this to the Catalyst.

Wrong again, the Krogan outcomes for Wrex, Wreav, and genophage sabotage are clearly different, as well as Eve's involvement. Rannoch outcomes are different. Hell, the Krogan outcome affects, along with alignment, how Control Shep will guard the galaxy. Paragon Control Shep would take issue with Wreav, not Renegade Shep.

And once again while DAO spoonfeeds your future, ME3 lets you think about it. But the dumb fanbase, everything has to be spoon fed.

And really, what would EDI and the Geth be WITHOUT Shepards influence....answer this. Why does when looking at Shepard, the Catalyst view organics as ready for synthesis? Shepard is a billion year anomaly, and in Leviathan we learn that the Catalyst purpose is not fufilled and that he is using the relay network to control evolution. If we connect the dots because it isn't spoonfed to you...you can say that Shepard is the solution the Catalyst was looking for all along and neither of them know it. But that goes over the average bioware fans head because in the past, everything was spoonfed.

Uh... the Reapers were created by the "intelligence".  So yeah, they weren't created by organics.  OOPS.  Someone wasn't paying attention 

And really... this whole spoonfed bull again?  We don't play a series for 100+ hours to get to guess at what bloody happened.  We play to see how our choices affect the world.   But o right, how dare we actually expect closure and the story to actually be told competently.  We are totally the idiots for expecting a series not built on philosophical meandering to have an actual concrete ending with concrete consequences that we get to witness... not guess.  Silly silly us.  

But sadly for you, your bull is backfiring again.  I actually enjoy stories built from day one  to make you think and question: The Fountain, Inception, Total Recall, Journey/Flower, Vanilla Sky..... Mass Effect was not actually that type of story.  But go ahead, keep trying to act superior.  You've proven yourself for what you are and at this point it's just a riot to watch you continually put your foot in your mouth and take all doubt out of the equation.  Usually trolls are far more infuriating.

No, I was paying attention....they created the Catalyst and it betrayed them because they were partof the problem they were trying to solve. I equate the Reapers as part of the Catalyst, so yeah the Levithans in a way DID bring about the Reapers. Thats undeniable. No Levitahn creating the AI, no Reapers.

And you prove to be ignorant...ignorant f narrative details, ignorant of the themes. You weren't paying attention. You are trying to make Mass Effect and its ending about something its not. And before you whine that "its not that type of story". Th efate of Joker's sister wasn't spoonfed, you had to connect the dots. And it was effective.

And to show your ignorance....

"Mass Effect had been uplifting and powerful.. instead it degrades Shepard into a powerless pawn trapped in a fate that cannot be denied. Yeah... it was really true to what the sereis had been "

Wrong....did you not even pay attention to the relationship between the Catalyst and Shepard, in which the Catalyst says he himself cannot enact the solution and says that our future depends on you. Where the Catalyst needs Shepard to solve his probelm he is powerless to solve, yeah the God of the Machine is powerless to actually enact the new solutions. Its SHEPARD that decides the fate of the galaxy.

Did you miss the Catalyst saying "You have altered the variables"? The notion that Shepard was powerless is ignorant. One line of dialogue....

Except Shepard is either railraoded into believing his logic or you get the temper tantrum scene from Bioware.  Seriously, if you call that empowering I shudder to think what actual player agency would make you feel.  And that all hinges on actually believing the little brat is telling you the truth and isn't screwing Shepard over with lies.  Oops... did I think too deeply there about existing lore and dare to not be spoonfed.  pardon me.. I'll stop that since you only like that when it means someone can bend down and kiss your almighty feet and be enlightened by your wisdom and superior intellect for figuring it all out.

Wrong again....

When does he even believe his logic? In fact, he or she refutes his logic of harvesting species, telling the Catalyst without hope (Paragon) on choice (Renegade) they basically have no purpose.

Nevermind Destroy is refuting his logic....once again, Catalyst in a way says "then your children will create synthetics and the chaos will come back"...if thats hot his warning against Destroy, what is? He is using his logic to dissaude you from destroying him.

The Catalyst also defines, DEFINES his ideal choice as synthesis, so by picking destroy and control you are refuting the Catalysts ideal solution.

And why would the Catalyst lie? He has basically been shown that his solution doesn't work anymore.

[txgoldrush]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Shepard the earth is under attack! Oh btw theres a Deus Ex Machina I-win button on Mars that Liara just found, just gotta pick it up and build it then you can *F* the galaxy over by either commit genocide against the Geth, alter all life against everyones will or become a reaper. LOL!

and ME1 has a Deus Ex Machina called Vigil and ME2 actually opens with a Deus Ex Machina.

[Lookout1390]

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What if we launch a ground-attack on mile-high super-intelligent and powerful synthetic killing machines

[Kabraxal]

And why would he not lie? If you take Leviathan at face value... this little glowey ball of deus ex machina is the reason untold trillions of people have been slaughtered. At the very least it is an unreliable and quite imcompetent being if he is telling the truth... trapped by bad programming that makes he and the reapers the cause of what they actually try to prevent many times.

However, given all the information we have, it is mighty convenient that we suddenly have a being pop up and go "o hey... you know that purpose behind all three games, yeah destroying us? No need anymore. Honestly! You can control us "snicker* I mean, TIM really was a smart guy totally not indoctrinated! Or hey.. you can do this super cool blendy thingy of synthetic and organics *cough* no that indoctrinated turian whatshisface totally wasn't an avatar for that choice...nope. I am completely trustworthy! Promise!"

Add that in with the simple fact that the Crucible conveniently pops up when it's most needed... is easy to build, offers no setbacks and is easily improved, all while it magically escapes all the spies and indoctrinated beings out there that have hounded everything Shepard has done before it docks so hassle free with the Citadel and no Reaper bothers to try and destroy it. Nope, there is absolutely no reason to be suspicious and wonder why all these things conveniently happen. No reason whatsoever to think that maybe, just maybe, the little brat is lying to you.I'd really really like this to be true to... means the writers actually understand their own lore and have actually written something of merit instead of a badly butchered technological singularity swerve that few cared about in the universe.

Seriously... it's either all a ploy to trick the current cycle or the writers just really aren't as talented as they and poeple like you try to claim. Too many contrived plot points and plot holes if everythign is taken at face value. But alas... you'll just cry "you're stupid" again and fling around wild speculations of your own and call them fact.

[txgoldrush]

Kabraxal wrote...

And why would he not lie? If you take Leviathan at face value... this little glowey ball of deus ex machina is the reason untold trillions of people have been slaughtered. At the very least it is an unreliable and quite imcompetent being if he is telling the truth... trapped by bad programming that makes he and the reapers the cause of what they actually try to prevent many times.

However, given all the information we have, it is mighty convenient that we suddenly have a being pop up and go "o hey... you know that purpose behind all three games, yeah destroying us? No need anymore. Honestly! You can control us "snicker* I mean, TIM really was a smart guy totally not indoctrinated! Or hey.. you can do this super cool blendy thingy of synthetic and organics *cough* no that indoctrinated turian whatshisface totally wasn't an avatar for that choice...nope. I am completely trustworthy! Promise!"

Add that in with the simple fact that the Crucible conveniently pops up when it's most needed... is easy to build, offers no setbacks and is easily improved, all while it magically escapes all the spies and indoctrinated beings out there that have hounded everything Shepard has done before it docks so hassle free with the Citadel and no Reaper bothers to try and destroy it. Nope, there is absolutely no reason to be suspicious and wonder why all these things conveniently happen. No reason whatsoever to think that maybe, just maybe, the little brat is lying to you.I'd really really like this to be true to... means the writers actually understand their own lore and have actually written something of merit instead of a badly butchered technological singularity swerve that few cared about in the universe.

Seriously... it's either all a ploy to trick the current cycle or the writers just really aren't as talented as they and poeple like you try to claim. Too many contrived plot points and plot holes if everythign is taken at face value. But alas... you'll just cry "you're stupid" again and fling around wild speculations of your own and call them fact.

Well, there you go again. Missing things again....

Try with low EMS, the Reapers attack Shield and the Crucible, badly damaging it and resulting in the worst ending. So, the fact you missed is that the Reapers don't let it dock hassle free. if you take too long making a choice, the Crucible is destroyed and its a Game Over. And the Catalyst is far more angry and hostile to you on low EMS than high EMS.

Seriously, its you underrating the writers because you miss details and facts that disprove your claims of suckiness.

And as for him lying, he sure does tell the truth of what the Crucible hits and kills when the Destroy option is selected.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:01 .

[liggy002]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Shepard the earth is under attack! Oh btw theres a Deus Ex Machina I-win button on Mars that Liara just found, just gotta pick it up and build it then you can *F* the galaxy over by either commit genocide against the Geth, alter all life against everyones will or become a reaper. LOL!

Oh, BTW, here's another choice where you can reject all of these options:  PSYCH, I got you!  Haha, you fell for it!


And they wonder why we're still pissed off. 

Modifié par liggy002, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:18 .

[JBPBRC]

txgoldrush wrote...


Try with low EMS, the Reapers attack Shield and the Crucible, badly damaging it and resulting in the best ending. .

Fixed. Marauder Shields now approves of this message.

[Outsider edge]

Just stop trying too have a logical discussion with Texasgold. This is a person that sees the Mass Effect franchise as a multimedia franchise. So for him it's perfectly fine if the main story has gaping holes in it's plot aslong as Bioware releases some 3th grade comic months after it's release that offers some explanations.

It's utter nonsense ofcourse but in Texas's fantasy land it's perfectly acceptable. Like talking too a brick wall.

Modifié par Outsider edge, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:47 .

[Lookout1390]

You know what

**** it

Hardcore-no-one-lives-ending

Turns out the Crucible is a giant nuke on a galactic scale, and it goes off and everybody dies instantly.



Imagine this, but with more space

[txgoldrush]

Outsider edge wrote...

Just stop trying too have a logical discussion with Texasgold. This is a person that sees the Mass Effect franchise as a multimedia franchise. So for him it's perfectly fine if the main story has gaping holes in it's plot aslong as Bioware releases some 3th grade comic months after it's release that offers some explanations.

It's utter nonsense ofcourse but in Texas's fantasy land it's perfectly acceptable. Like talking too a brick wall.

How about the idiotic bashers stop ignoring clear facts..oh wait they are too stupid to actually listen to the dialogue.

And like I said earlier in this thread....yes there are comics explaining Liara's Crucible quest HOWEVER if you paid attention to the story and her dialogue on Mars, she EXPL:AINS how she worked with Hackett,  I even posting her dialogue earlier this thread. The dialogue bookends the Lair of the Shadow Broker where she vowed to use her resources to find a way to stop the Reapers....well, she did, so contrived...lol

Hell, she contradicts the stupid criticism that the Alliance did nothing even after knowing about the Reaper threat.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 02 janvier 2013 - 10:27 .

[txgoldrush]

liggy002 wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Shepard the earth is under attack! Oh btw theres a Deus Ex Machina I-win button on Mars that Liara just found, just gotta pick it up and build it then you can *F* the galaxy over by either commit genocide against the Geth, alter all life against everyones will or become a reaper. LOL!

Oh, BTW, here's another choice where you can reject all of these options:  PSYCH, I got you!  Haha, you fell for it!


And they wonder why we're still pissed off. 

Because you ignore the narrative several times and they get you for it......

[KiwiQuiche]

It was certainly implemented incredibly badly.

"Hey look, a convenient giant Reaper killing weapon we found!"
"Wow just in time. How would it kill them?"
"No idea."
"Would it be like the Halo rings and kill us all instead?"
"No idea."
"How does it work?"
"No idea."
"What does it do?"
"No idea."
"Okay seems legit, lets shove all out resources at it and hopefully it's no a reaper trap and kills us all instead."
"Lol okay."

It also made the Reapers look even stupider-if possible- since it has apparently shown up in a few cycles yet Starbrat is so incompetent he can't even delete the damn thing properly.

[Outsider edge]

txgoldrush wrote...

Outsider edge wrote...

Just stop trying too have a logical discussion with Texasgold. This is a person that sees the Mass Effect franchise as a multimedia franchise. So for him it's perfectly fine if the main story has gaping holes in it's plot aslong as Bioware releases some 3th grade comic months after it's release that offers some explanations.

It's utter nonsense ofcourse but in Texas's fantasy land it's perfectly acceptable. Like talking too a brick wall.

How about the idiotic bashers stop ignoring clear facts..oh wait they are too stupid to actually listen to the dialogue.

And like I said earlier in this thread....yes there are comics explaining Liara's Crucible quest HOWEVER if you paid attention to the story and her dialogue on Mars, she EXPL:AINS how she worked with Hackett,  I even posting her dialogue earlier this thread. The dialogue bookends the Lair of the Shadow Broker where she vowed to use her resources to find a way to stop the Reapers....well, she did, so contrived...lol

Hell, she contradicts the stupid criticism that the Alliance did nothing even after knowing about the Reaper threat.

Don't know why i bother but alas. Let's look at the Lair of the Shadowbroker DLC which you point at so often. In that DLC it's made clear the old shadowbroker knew what was up since the events of ME1 and was frantically trying too find a way out. Now this shadowbroker had been in power for decades as being put forward in the narrative and he didn't find jack ****. Now in comes Liara the new shadowbroker! In the 6+ months Shepard is in prison she goes on the hunt for clues. She fights of Cerberus. She loses the shadowbroker ship and relocates the whole shadowbroker network. She helps Hackett locate the archives. She helps uncover the archives. She finds the decryption key too the prothean data. She decodes the prothean data and uncovers the blueprints too the Crucible. All this in 6+ months just so the blueprints are ready with a big ribbon around them for when Shepard arrives so he/she can bring them too the Citadel while the old much more experienced shadowbroker couldn't find anything at all.

That my friend is what we call subpar writing. You can't defend this contrived writing especially when looking at the narrative as a whole. And the whole of ME3's main plot is littered with such conveniences resulting ofcourse in the appearance of the Catalyst who's sole existence torpedoes everything that happened in ME1 and ME2.

Modifié par Outsider edge, 02 janvier 2013 - 10:57 .

[Fixers0]

txgoldrush wrote...
And yet its all explained in the narrative of ME3.....

On Mars

Shepard: We known about the Archives for decades, why now?

Liara: Process of elimination mixed in with a little desperation. When you destroyed the Alpha Relay, you bought us some time, but then you were under investigation. I knew I had to do something. Hackett knew it too, he contacted me asking me for a way to use my resources as the Shadow Broker to stop the Reapers. My search led me here. Hackett got me access to the archives and kept me updated on your status.

Its all in the narrative...you ar eignoring this to make false criticisms.

The bolded part is the Retcon, no such thing as "Archives" existed before, It was an "obeservation and biosciences station" containing an "small data cache". either you never played the first Mass Effect or you memory is less then satisfactory. 

[Tomwew]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Shepard the earth is under attack! Oh btw theres a Deus Ex Machina I-win button on Mars that Liara just found, just gotta pick it up and build it then you can *F* the galaxy over by either commit genocide against the Geth, alter all life against everyones will or become a reaper. LOL!

"this isn't about tactics or strategy! it's about finding a convenient i win button as quickly as possible so we can get to the shooty bits and not waste time on an actual satisfying plot dealing with finding and exploiting reaper weaknesses."

[TheProtheans]

txgoldrush wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Shepard the earth is under attack! Oh btw theres a Deus Ex Machina I-win button on Mars that Liara just found, just gotta pick it up and build it then you can *F* the galaxy over by either commit genocide against the Geth, alter all life against everyones will or become a reaper. LOL!

and ME1 has a Deus Ex Machina called Vigil and ME2 actually opens with a Deus Ex Machina.

Which were better and fitted into the narrative.
ME3 is disappoint.

[txgoldrush]

Outsider edge wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Outsider edge wrote...

Just stop trying too have a logical discussion with Texasgold. This is a person that sees the Mass Effect franchise as a multimedia franchise. So for him it's perfectly fine if the main story has gaping holes in it's plot aslong as Bioware releases some 3th grade comic months after it's release that offers some explanations.

It's utter nonsense ofcourse but in Texas's fantasy land it's perfectly acceptable. Like talking too a brick wall.

How about the idiotic bashers stop ignoring clear facts..oh wait they are too stupid to actually listen to the dialogue.

And like I said earlier in this thread....yes there are comics explaining Liara's Crucible quest HOWEVER if you paid attention to the story and her dialogue on Mars, she EXPL:AINS how she worked with Hackett,  I even posting her dialogue earlier this thread. The dialogue bookends the Lair of the Shadow Broker where she vowed to use her resources to find a way to stop the Reapers....well, she did, so contrived...lol

Hell, she contradicts the stupid criticism that the Alliance did nothing even after knowing about the Reaper threat.

Don't know why i bother but alas. Let's look at the Lair of the Shadowbroker DLC which you point at so often. In that DLC it's made clear the old shadowbroker knew what was up since the events of ME1 and was frantically trying too find a way out. Now this shadowbroker had been in power for decades as being put forward in the narrative and he didn't find jack ****. Now in comes Liara the new shadowbroker! In the 6+ months Shepard is in prison she goes on the hunt for clues. She fights of Cerberus. She loses the shadowbroker ship and relocates the whole shadowbroker network. She helps Hackett locate the archives. She helps uncover the archives. She finds the decryption key too the prothean data. She decodes the prothean data and uncovers the blueprints too the Crucible. All this in 6+ months just so the blueprints are ready with a big ribbon around them for when Shepard arrives so he/she can bring them too the Citadel while the old much more experienced shadowbroker couldn't find anything at all.

That my friend is what we call subpar writing. You can't defend this contrived writing especially when looking at the narrative as a whole. And the whole of ME3's main plot is littered with such conveniences resulting ofcourse in the appearance of the Catalyst who's sole existence torpedoes everything that happened in ME1 and ME2.

So, the old Shadow Broker is a Prothean researcher with tenacity? Please.

The old Broker gave up and flipped sides. He gave up. Liara didn't. He had a character flaw and fell because of it. He couldn't find anything because he didn't try.

And yet you hold up once again ME1 and ME2, which definitely had contrivances and convienance, bad ones in fact. Don;t tell me as good a steh Vigil scene was, wasn't contrived. Or the Lazarus Project or that unnamed mission the squad of ME2 goes on to clear the ship for Joker. Far more contrived than a Prothean researcher finding a "prothean" weapon, in a Prothean ruin.