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[Cobalt2113]

Yep it's a contrivance. But I don't believe that word is as much of an insult as you seem to think it is.

con·trive [kuh n-trahyv] con·trived, con·triv·ing.
verb (used with object)
1.to plan with ingenuity; devise; invent: The author contrived a clever plot.

[Someone With Mass]

arial wrote...
lol no, he was not implanted with Reaper tech till sometime after Thessia (as you can see on the video log on Cronos).

Just like Saren was Indoctrinated, but was not implanted with Reaper tech till after Virmire

Take a good, long look at his eyes. Guess what they're made out of.

That's right. Reaper tech. Which he received during the First Contact War during a brief contact with a machine that turned other people into husks.

When the Reapers came closer to the galaxy and their presence started to activate other Reaper machines (like Object Rho), those cybernetics probably began to expand to the rest of his body after lying dormant for decades.

Also, why the f**k would he deliberately implant himself with that stuff? He more than likely knows what will happen, given the events in Retribution.

[o Ventus]

arial wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Everything about the Crucible is ridiculously contrived. The timing, the placement, its design, construction, and how it surpasses the technology of the Catalyst since synthesis was attempted and failed. How could such a device be designed and built the way it was under the circumstances?

Why didn't we get a weapon developed after intel gathered from the Collector's base and the Human-Reaper or something developing from ME2? It would have made much more sense and not render ME2 completely pointless.

because then everyone who destroyed the base automatically lose. = angry Customers

ME2 was not completely pointless. its how we recieved the SR2, how we know TIM, and met many characters who play a vital part in the war effort, even if they are not working directly with Shepard.

With how the Normandy is just sort of sucked from Shepard's command (despite potential Spectre status) before ME3, it wouldn't bee too difficult to just skip ME2 and say that the Alliance rebuilt the Normandy and upgraded it to the level of the SR2.

Also, with how different ME3's TIM is from ME2's TIM (at least in his interaction with Shepard), they really may as well have just introduced him in ME3 under a new alias.

Finally, all those characters who play a "vital" role in the war effort all are 100% expendable and replaceable. That kind of subverts any possibility of them being vital.

[Kabraxal]

It's possible the Crucible is just a Reaper ploy to distract actually threats to themselves and keep those threats occupied in a foolish endeavour that will only serve to end their resistance instead of bolster it.

Seriously, it pops up conveniently, it is built far too quickly, improvements are ridiculously easy, and teh Reapers/Cerberus never find out about it and attack it.... despite them cleraly knowing Shepard's every move for the most part... and then when it appears in the final battle, it is allowed to dock with no hassle whatsoever. For a possible weapon, the Reapers don't react it to at all and that should throw warning signs up all around. Don't know why it took me this long to notice.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ownedbacon wrote...

Everything about the Crucible is ridiculously contrived. The timing, the placement, its design, construction, and how it surpasses the technology of the Catalyst since synthesis was attempted and failed. How could such a device be designed and built the way it was under the circumstances?

Why didn't we get a weapon developed after intel gathered from the Collector's base and the Human-Reaper or something developing from ME2? It would have made much more sense and not render ME2 completely pointless.

Because ME2 chose not to develop anything, and decided to make the Collector Base optional.

Not, mind you, that introducing the Crucible as something from the Collector base would have been less contrived.

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

arial wrote...
because then everyone who destroyed the base automatically lose. = angry Customers

Didn't stop Cerberus from recovering all the important tech from the debris field.

Did they? Or did they just fail to find anything from the Collector Base that couldn't have been found from a debris field?

[o Ventus]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Everything about the Crucible is ridiculously contrived. The timing, the placement, its design, construction, and how it surpasses the technology of the Catalyst since synthesis was attempted and failed. How could such a device be designed and built the way it was under the circumstances?

Why didn't we get a weapon developed after intel gathered from the Collector's base and the Human-Reaper or something developing from ME2? It would have made much more sense and not render ME2 completely pointless.

Because ME2 chose not to develop anything, and decided to make the Collector Base optional.

Not, mind you, that introducing the Crucible as something from the Collector base would have been less contrived.

Last I checked, one must go to the Collector Base in order to receive the game-over achievement.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Since when did "the archives" ever exist?

Here's a better question, if this data was meant to be seen and used (because otherwise it would be missed and then completely pointless) how didn't the scientists find these plans after decades?!

Because Prothean cypher-keys are hard to break, and Cerberus was involved in a hiding the contents.

The Mars cache expansion was planned at least somepoint during ME2's DLC cycle, as it got put into the Cerberus Daily News on Jan 10, 2011 even before the Arrival DLC. So it was pretty much out there in the lore a year in advance of ME3's release.

[Dean_the_Young]

o Ventus wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Everything about the Crucible is ridiculously contrived. The timing, the placement, its design, construction, and how it surpasses the technology of the Catalyst since synthesis was attempted and failed. How could such a device be designed and built the way it was under the circumstances?

Why didn't we get a weapon developed after intel gathered from the Collector's base and the Human-Reaper or something developing from ME2? It would have made much more sense and not render ME2 completely pointless.

Because ME2 chose not to develop anything, and decided to make the Collector Base optional.

Not, mind you, that introducing the Crucible as something from the Collector base would have been less contrived.

Last I checked, one must go to the Collector Base in order to receive the game-over achievement.

I thought 'keeping' was implied by the context, but apologies if it wasn't clear.

Keeping the Collector Base intact was optional, and therefore would have been a poor means for introducing the Crucible or any other Reaper-killing must-have.

[arial]

people need to remember, the Prothean Archives on Mars were not in english. and it is extremely hard to decode data written in the form of a civilization we know NOTHING about. especially when they are more advanced then we are.

Thus them not finding info on the Crucible till so late in the game is somewhat possible

[Dean_the_Young]

It's less about Prothean translation (which exists in the ME universe), and more about Prothean security devices (which are still treated as difficult).

Regardless, it's a relatively minor delimma with a pretty simple answer: the Alliance was more interested in the easily accessible aspects of the Archive than the locked room in the back.

[Spatchmo]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

Yep it's a contrivance. But I don't believe that word is as much of an insult as you seem to think it is.

con·trive [kuh n-trahyv] con·trived, con·triv·ing.
verb (used with object)
1.to plan with ingenuity; devise; invent: The author contrived a clever plot.

Add a "d" to the word contrive and its entire meaning changes. It's kind of silly.

contrived
adjective

[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)">obviously planned or forced]artificial;[/color] strained: a contrived story.

Pasting definitions from dictionary.com isn't working out very well for me, but you can see the definition in there...

Modifié par Spatchmo, 01 janvier 2013 - 06:02 .

[Ownedbacon]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Everything about the Crucible is ridiculously contrived. The timing, the placement, its design, construction, and how it surpasses the technology of the Catalyst since synthesis was attempted and failed. How could such a device be designed and built the way it was under the circumstances?

Why didn't we get a weapon developed after intel gathered from the Collector's base and the Human-Reaper or something developing from ME2? It would have made much more sense and not render ME2 completely pointless.

Because ME2 chose not to develop anything, and decided to make the Collector Base optional.

Not, mind you, that introducing the Crucible as something from the Collector base would have been less contrived.

ME2 was about investigating the Collectors who had involvement with the Reapers. In the finale we find a facility where Reapers are manufactured it is only fitting that a facility with the ability to construct a Reaper would have information that would lead to a Reaper weakness.

This is more believable than ancient races designing a device [Crucible] to work with another device [Citadel] when the latter device was inaccessible during the harvest. But somehow despite different views of how to deal with the Reaper threat all of these races manage to build a seamless machine that works with the inaccessible device [Citadel] and somehow alters an unknown and undiscovered advanced AI [Catalyst] and allows for three completely different functions one of which surpasses that of the Reapers (who have had access to the most advanced technology the galaxy has ever seen).

The direction the writers took with ME3 is the reason ME2 didn't lead anywhere. ME2 was setting up for ME3 but all those developments were thrown away.

[JBPBRC]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Scottus4 wrote...

Why didn't we get a weapon developed after...

Exactly the Illusive Man's point. The Alliance was sitting on their ***es with valuable intel and TIM believes only Cereberus has what it takes to end the Reaper threat. The Alliance is reactive, Cerberus is proactive.

Yes, experimenting on children and luring people into Thresher Maw nests is going to help stop the Reapers.

Learning how to control or at the very least manipulate thresher maws is an extremely awesome tactic that kills Reapers. Its a shame that the only instance of this wasn't Cerberus at all, but the Krogan.

[Ticonderoga117]

arial wrote...

people need to remember, the Prothean Archives on Mars were not in english. and it is extremely hard to decode data written in the form of a civilization we know NOTHING about. especially when they are more advanced then we are.

Thus them not finding info on the Crucible till so late in the game is somewhat possible

However, this data is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. You wouldn't hide something like this, you would make it big, bold, and loud. It would be akin to leaving the file open on the desktop with big bold letters and then a diagram fo this HUUUUGe device. That will attract attention. The Crucible should've been the first thing we should've learned about, followed by the relays and eezo.

[Wayning_Star]

apparently the catalyst didn't fully understand the crucible, nor it's engineers. The biggest empty here is who divised the choices. No one knew of the leviathan existence either tho...what's up with that?

[Rifneno]

Scottus4 wrote...

Why didn't we get a weapon developed after...

Exactly the Illusive Man's point. The Alliance was sitting on their ***es with valuable intel and TIM believes only Cereberus has what it takes to end the Reaper threat. The Alliance is reactive, Cerberus is proactive.

Then the Illusive ****** sucks at his own world's lore.  The deepest vaults of the Mars ruins were only just cracked a matter of a few months ago.  It wasn't that they sat on their asses and didn't do anything with the Crucible data, it's that they couldn't past the security systems of a race that could send a star into supernova at will.  Shocker, right?

[Wayning_Star]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

arial wrote...

people need to remember, the Prothean Archives on Mars were not in english. and it is extremely hard to decode data written in the form of a civilization we know NOTHING about. especially when they are more advanced then we are.

Thus them not finding info on the Crucible till so late in the game is somewhat possible

However, this data is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. You wouldn't hide something like this, you would make it big, bold, and loud. It would be akin to leaving the file open on the desktop with big bold letters and then a diagram fo this HUUUUGe device. That will attract attention. The Crucible should've been the first thing we should've learned about, followed by the relays and eezo.

kind of  weird way to hide super/catalyst womping tools tho...

[Dean_the_Young]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

arial wrote...

people need to remember, the Prothean Archives on Mars were not in english. and it is extremely hard to decode data written in the form of a civilization we know NOTHING about. especially when they are more advanced then we are.

Thus them not finding info on the Crucible till so late in the game is somewhat possible

However, this data is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. You wouldn't hide something like this, you would make it big, bold, and loud. It would be akin to leaving the file open on the desktop with big bold letters and then a diagram fo this HUUUUGe device. That will attract attention. The Crucible should've been the first thing we should've learned about, followed by the relays and eezo.

Unless, of course, it was behind that significant locked door.

[Ticonderoga117]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Unless, of course, it was behind that significant locked door.

Why would key information that will save the galaxy be behind a locked door when the whole purpose is to pass it on?!

[Wayning_Star]

someone 'else' knew' of the catalyst and it's programming besides the Leviathan.. They're still out there in the MEU...somewhere.. maybe.. They could be in darkspace tho..waiting.

[Rifneno]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Unless, of course, it was behind that significant locked door.

Why would key information that will save the galaxy be behind a locked door when the whole purpose is to pass it on?!

Nobody accused the Protheans of being smart.

[Ticonderoga117]

Rifneno wrote...
Nobody accused the Protheans of being smart.

It's one thing to not be smart, it's another to shoot yourself in the foot and lead to the Galaxy almost being wiped clean again.

[Wulfram]

That the Crucible was difficult to locate and access in the archives I can buy. There was presumably at least some desire to keep this info quiet.

But given the widespread dispersion of such information evident in ME3, it becomes even harder to accept that no one stumbled on any clear reference to the Reapers in all of the countless remnants of their civilisation scattered about the galaxy.