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[Rifneno]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
Nobody accused the Protheans of being smart.

It's one thing to not be smart, it's another to shoot yourself in the foot and lead to the Galaxy almost being wiped clean again.

And the Prothean beacon on Thessia only seems to react to what it thinks is Protheans, even though its only reason to exist is to help future races after the Protheans are wiped out.

[Steelcan]

Rifneno wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
Nobody accused the Protheans of being smart.

It's one thing to not be smart, it's another to shoot yourself in the foot and lead to the Galaxy almost being wiped clean again.

And the Prothean beacon on Thessia only seems to react to what it thinks is Protheans, even though its only reason to exist is to help future races after the Protheans are wiped out.

Only the VI.  No reason to think other parts of the beacon can't be accessed

[Wulfram]

Steelcan wrote...

Only the VI.  No reason to think other parts of the beacon can't be accessed

Well, the Asari by all appearances didn't have a clue about the Reapers despite studying the thing for millennia.

[Wayning_Star]

Wulfram wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Only the VI.  No reason to think other parts of the beacon can't be accessed

Well, the Asari by all appearances didn't have a clue about the Reapers despite studying the thing for millennia.

nobody knew the statue on the citadel were a conduit type gizmo either. Seems as if hiding intel is easier to do than not? But then, if you don't know it exists, how do you actually know it's intel? The cycle appears to be hidden for billions of years.. as well.

[Ticonderoga117]

Rifneno wrote...
And the Prothean beacon on Thessia only seems to react to what it thinks is Protheans, even though its only reason to exist is to help future races after the Protheans are wiped out.

Exactly. That makes no sense. Does everyone in ME3 hold the idiot ball or something?

Edit: Here's a better way to handle this. Make the Crucible a Prothean SuperWeapon designed to take care of the AI's they were fighting in the Metacon War. Have the development of this weapon occur in multiple places so that the AI's, if they captured a facility, couldn't tell exactly what they were building. So Shepard finds out about a wierd beacon on Mars from someone, they go to invesitgate and boom! We have an idea. Then while fighting the Reapers, Shepard needs to find these components. However, once assembled, the scientists say that they can't make it work against Reapers because *insert decent technospeach here* and Shepard needs to kick Reaper butt to give them the information they need.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 01 janvier 2013 - 07:52 .

[Steelcan]

Wulfram wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Only the VI.  No reason to think other parts of the beacon can't be accessed

Well, the Asari by all appearances didn't have a clue about the Reapers despite studying the thing for millennia.

As Javik showed us the Asari aren't the brightest if the bunch

[Rifneno]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
And the Prothean beacon on Thessia only seems to react to what it thinks is Protheans, even though its only reason to exist is to help future races after the Protheans are wiped out.

Exactly. That makes no sense. Does everyone in ME3 hold the idiot ball or something?

Everyone in ME3 dropped the idiot ball, slipped on it and broke their necks.

I'm pretty sure Shepard could destroy the Catalyst (and by extension the Reapers) by asking it what 1 divided by 0 is.

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Only the VI.  No reason to think other parts of the beacon can't be accessed

Well, the Asari by all appearances didn't have a clue about the Reapers despite studying the thing for millennia.

As Javik showed us the Asari aren't the brightest if the bunch

I wouldn't say that. I'd say that maybe the Asari didn't have the 'divine destiny' that they thought they did.

People are saying that every Asari, every scientist, everyone is a sham, all because it was found that some government (The Asari, from how I understand it don't have a central government) kept it hidden and used it's knowledge to put the Asari into an advantageous position every now and again. The Asari were selfish yes, but that doesn't undercut their cultural and engineering feats everywhere else.

[Ticonderoga117]

Rifneno wrote...
Everyone in ME3 dropped the idiot ball, slipped on it and broke their necks.

I'm pretty sure Shepard could destroy the Catalyst (and by extension the Reapers) by asking it what 1 divided by 0 is.

Or freeze them all by making them compute the entirety of Pi.

[fiendishchicken]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
Everyone in ME3 dropped the idiot ball, slipped on it and broke their necks.

I'm pretty sure Shepard could destroy the Catalyst (and by extension the Reapers) by asking it what 1 divided by 0 is.

Or freeze them all by making them compute the entirety of Pi.

Or just kick him in the balls. Might not work, but he'll feel a lot better for it.

[Ticonderoga117]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Or just kick him in the balls. Might not work, but he'll feel a lot better for it.

Then the kid gets all angsty and takes his toys home to continue the killing.

[fiendishchicken]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Or just kick him in the balls. Might not work, but he'll feel a lot better for it.

Then the kid gets all angsty and takes his toys home to continue the killing.

I think the kid just needs to sit in the naughty stool. 

[Clayless]

Pretty sure Tali just randomly has information against Saren just when you need it most that the Council just blindly accepts as proof.

[fiendishchicken]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Pretty sure Tali just randomly has information against Saren just when you need it most that the Council just blindly accepts as proof.

That bothered me. Some 10 second soundclip suddenly proves that Saren is guilty, derpety derp.

Oh well, it was needed to push the plot along, otherwise Shepard would be trapped in some citadel elevator as the Reapers invaded.

[Rifneno]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Pretty sure Tali just randomly has information against Saren just when you need it most that the Council just blindly accepts as proof.

That bothered me. Some 10 second soundclip suddenly proves that Saren is guilty, derpety derp.

Oh well, it was needed to push the plot along, otherwise Shepard would be trapped in some citadel elevator as the Reapers invaded.

"We have eyewitness testimony."  "So what?  He's a dock worker, he sucks."
"This space gypsy who happens to be the galaxy's greatest hacker has a short audio clip she claims she got from someplace that we all think is impossible to get info from."  "O_O  This evidence is irrefutable!"

[JBPBRC]

Rifneno wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Pretty sure Tali just randomly has information against Saren just when you need it most that the Council just blindly accepts as proof.

That bothered me. Some 10 second soundclip suddenly proves that Saren is guilty, derpety derp.

Oh well, it was needed to push the plot along, otherwise Shepard would be trapped in some citadel elevator as the Reapers invaded.

"We have eyewitness testimony."  "So what?  He's a dock worker, he sucks."
"This space gypsy who happens to be the galaxy's greatest hacker has a short audio clip she claims she got from someplace that we all think is impossible to get info from."  "O_O  This evidence is irrefutable!"

This. If we had simply recorded Vigil talking, the Council would've begun preparations three years prior. Eyewitnesses? Bah! Short audio clip? Irrefutable evidence!

[txgoldrush]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Pretty sure Tali just randomly has information against Saren just when you need it most that the Council just blindly accepts as proof.

This

In many ways ME1 and ME2 are far more contrived than ME3.

Lets see, the Cipher comes from out of nowhere, making it both a Deus Ex Machina and a Diabolus Ex Machina....wow.

The scene where Liara finds out to go to Ilos is ridiculous, but not as contrived as getting lockdown on the Citadel. Wow, that was as bad of forced conflict was turning Bastila to the dark side if the player was light in KOTOR. Why can't Shepard just go straight to Ilos? Its a race against time, and he has a stealth ship. The Conduit is contrived in the bad guy point of view. Why do they even need the Conduit? There were other ways to surpise attack the Citadel without getting noticed or exposed.

And don't get me started on the most contrived part of the series, THE LAZARUS PROJECT!!!!!!!!

What ignorant fans charge ME3 for being, ME1 and ME2 are just as guilty or even more guilty, and they are too ignorant with nostalgia to figure this out. They think ME1 is the holy grail of storytelling when it has the same flaws and worse flaws than the game they bash, ME3. And ME1's ending ends on Deus Ex Machinas and contrivance....the same way ignorant fans are bashing ME3 for being. But really ME3 SUBVERTS the Deus Ex Machina, and BSN bashers are too blind to see this.

[JBPBRC]

txgoldrush wrote...

And don't get me started on the most contrived part of the series, THE LAZARUS PROJECT!!!!!!!!

No.

Nonononono.

As bad as Lazarus was, it still pales in comparison to Green. Nothing in ME is more contrived than a magic green beam giving everyone, even plants, glowing green circuits and creating a supposedly utopian society in an instant.

Modifié par JBPBRC, 01 janvier 2013 - 08:43 .

[txgoldrush]

Also....

http://masseffect.wi...ect:_Homeworlds

This is how Liara goes to Mars...its her effort, not coincidence, that finds the Crucible.

[Rifneno]

JBPBRC wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And don't get me started on the most contrived part of the series, THE LAZARUS PROJECT!!!!!!!!

No.

Nonononono.

As bad as Lazarus was, it still pales in comparison to Green. Nothing in ME is more contrived than a magic green beam giving everyone, even plants, glowing green circuits and creating a supposedly utopian society in an instant.

This.  If you pitched the idea of synthesis for a Disney movie, they'd punch you in the throat for insulting the intelligence of 5 year olds.

[txgoldrush]

JBPBRC wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And don't get me started on the most contrived part of the series, THE LAZARUS PROJECT!!!!!!!!

No.

Nonononono.

As bad as Lazarus was, it still pales in comparison to Green. Nothing in ME is more contrived than a magic green beam giving everyone, even plants, glowing green circuits and creating a supposedly utopian society in an instant.

At least the synthesis process is somewhat explained by the Catalyst, as wacky as it was.

The Lazarus Project was utterly ridculous and offered no expalnation on how Shepard was brought back to life with all his memories entact, which would be impossible scientifically.

[JBPBRC]

txgoldrush wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And don't get me started on the most contrived part of the series, THE LAZARUS PROJECT!!!!!!!!

No.

Nonononono.

As bad as Lazarus was, it still pales in comparison to Green. Nothing in ME is more contrived than a magic green beam giving everyone, even plants, glowing green circuits and creating a supposedly utopian society in an instant.

At least the synthesis process is somewhat explained by the Catalyst, as wacky as it was.

The Lazarus Project was utterly ridculous and offered no expalnation on how Shepard was brought back to life with all his memories entact, which would be impossible scientifically.

*Rips into Lazarus Project being scientifically impossible*

*Defends Synthesis*

Er-ror. ERROR. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

[txgoldrush]

Rifneno wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And don't get me started on the most contrived part of the series, THE LAZARUS PROJECT!!!!!!!!

No.

Nonononono.

As bad as Lazarus was, it still pales in comparison to Green. Nothing in ME is more contrived than a magic green beam giving everyone, even plants, glowing green circuits and creating a supposedly utopian society in an instant.

The only problem I have with synthesis is the scope. How can one man or womans form syntheisze the whole galaxy? Thats my only problem with it.
This.  If you pitched the idea of synthesis for a Disney movie, they'd punch you in the throat for insulting the intelligence of 5 year olds.

Its nearly the same exact thing as JC and Paul Denton's ending in Deus Ex Invisible War...the essence of the protagonist becomes nanites which "merges" everybody. And the Knights Templar, its the opposite.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 01 janvier 2013 - 08:52 .

[The Spamming Troll]

arial wrote...

people need to remember, the Prothean Archives on Mars were not in english. and it is extremely hard to decode data written in the form of a civilization we know NOTHING about. especially when they are more advanced then we are.

Thus them not finding info on the Crucible till so late in the game is somewhat possible

yes, like you said, its just a perfectly timed plot device! which is the OPs problem.

the crucible was created because bioware didnt want to use something already established? like the klenagon weapon, or the human reaper, or the derelect reaper, or sovereign......

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 01 janvier 2013 - 08:53 .

[txgoldrush]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

arial wrote...

people need to remember, the Prothean Archives on Mars were not in english. and it is extremely hard to decode data written in the form of a civilization we know NOTHING about. especially when they are more advanced then we are.

Thus them not finding info on the Crucible till so late in the game is somewhat possible

yes, like you said, its just a perfectly timed plot device! which is the OPs problem. and one of my many problems with ME3s dumbness.

the crucible was created because they didnt want to use something already established? like the klenagon weapon, or the human reaper, or the derelect reaper, or sovereign......

and yet...once again....if you want to call ME3 dumb for its perfectly timed plot device, than ME1 is GUILTY as well.

Tali and her evidence against Saren.......can't have a more perfectly timed coincidence.