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[Maxster_]

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe the geniuses wanted to make sure the current cycle can defeat the Reapers before giving them the last component.

Notice how Vendetta refused to at first, give Shepard the location of the Catalyst due to Vendetta viewing the cycle as unable to defeat the Reapers.

Its all in the narrative.

Question. If conventional victory is impossible and the only hope is the Crucible... how would Vendetta ever unlock the final piece? Isn't the Crucible supposed to be the ultimate "win"?

Because reasons.
Not a single part of ME3 excuse of a plot makes any sense.
So, only hope to win against reapers is the Crucible. But we will send only part of information, which is useless without last part, because that should be a test for ... something, i guess. 

or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

Bwahahahahahaha


Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

[txgoldrush]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

A. They encrypted the warning and the plans, what did they think would happen!
B. If we can't pass down the information, it's all for naught.
C. It's not jepradizing anything!

A. Then blame ME1 for this, not ME3. If the current cycle was truly ready, they would be able to decrypt their files.
B. But they did, but through the cycles flaws, almost too late.
C. So the Reapers rediscovering the Crucible wouldn't matter?

[txgoldrush]

Maxster_ wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe the geniuses wanted to make sure the current cycle can defeat the Reapers before giving them the last component.

Notice how Vendetta refused to at first, give Shepard the location of the Catalyst due to Vendetta viewing the cycle as unable to defeat the Reapers.

Its all in the narrative.

Question. If conventional victory is impossible and the only hope is the Crucible... how would Vendetta ever unlock the final piece? Isn't the Crucible supposed to be the ultimate "win"?

Because reasons.
Not a single part of ME3 excuse of a plot makes any sense.
So, only hope to win against reapers is the Crucible. But we will send only part of information, which is useless without last part, because that should be a test for ... something, i guess. 

or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

Bwahahahahahaha


Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

You really do not get the storyline to even make an informed judgement about it.

Was it the Protheans themselves that decided the current cycle is unprepared, or did they program a VI to make that determination? The narrative says the latter.

Nevermind in the narrative that the location of the Thessia beacon was in the Mars Archives.....Cerberus got this.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 02 janvier 2013 - 02:01 .

[Ticonderoga117]

txgoldrush wrote...

A. Then blame ME1 for this, not ME3. If the current cycle was truly ready, they would be able to decrypt their files.
B. But they did, but through the cycles flaws, almost too late.
C. So the Reapers rediscovering the Crucible wouldn't matter?

A. Why should I blame the game that didn't introduce the braindead encryption idea? Even still, you don't encrypt the files you WANT people to look at and use. It's counter-inuitive.
B. I meant us. If we couldn't read the files, we wouldn't know to pass them down.
C. Not when everyone and thier mother knows about the Crucible anyway.

[Maxster_]

[quote]Cheviot wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Cheviot wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...
You know, Shepard was looking for Conduit only because this was only link for Saren. And galaxy is big, you know.[/quote]

Yeah, and Shepard was searching for the Catalyst because it was the only hope for defeating the Reapers. What's your point?
[/quote]

Lack of basic reading skills? Or basic reading comprehension?[/quote]

Don't be so hard on yourself.  I'm sure, with the right help, you'll be understanding that "reading skills" and "reading comprehension" are basically the same thing in no time.

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Yeah yeah, someone designed an unknown device with unknown function which should interface with another unknown device with unknown function, unknown interface, unknown location and unconfirmed existence and ever need of it.
Makes sense... in a nonsensical fairytale[/quote]
How does that my post relates to your current post?[/quote]

My post relates to a later post.  The clue for that is that I quoted that later post.


[/quote]
Riiight
[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Cheviot wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Cheviot wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

Yeah yeah, someone designed an unknown device with unknown function which should interface with another unknown device with unknown function, unknown interface, unknown location and unconfirmed existence and ever need of it.

Makes sense... in a nonsensical fairytale. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]
[/quote]

Are you talking about the Crucible or the Conduit from ME1?

[/quote]
Guess you never played ME1. You know, mass relays, massless corridors and all that. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

[/quote]

You guessed wrong.  I played ME1, a game where everyone talks about a device with an unknown function - the Crucible - that doesn't get explained until the end of the game.  Also, it's slightly more than a relay, since it can send craft though solid objects like the walls of the Citadel.

[/quote]
Any relay can send craft through solid objects. Otherwise, relay network would never work.
Also, you obviously using standard bi0drone "defense" - about Conduit. Having no idea about ME1 plot, as always.
You know, Shepard was looking for Conduit only because this was only link for Saren. And galaxy is big, you know.[/quote]

So, you made an asspull, which contradicts ME1 plot, then i debunked that. And after that, you just cut part of my post in a futile attempt to shift theme of a debate which you just lost.
Pathetic. 

[Kabraxal]

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe the geniuses wanted to make sure the current cycle can defeat the Reapers before giving them the last component.

Notice how Vendetta refused to at first, give Shepard the location of the Catalyst due to Vendetta viewing the cycle as unable to defeat the Reapers.

Its all in the narrative.

Question. If conventional victory is impossible and the only hope is the Crucible... how would Vendetta ever unlock the final piece? Isn't the Crucible supposed to be the ultimate "win"?

Because reasons.
Not a single part of ME3 excuse of a plot makes any sense.
So, only hope to win against reapers is the Crucible. But we will send only part of information, which is useless without last part, because that should be a test for ... something, i guess. 

or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

Bwahahahahahaha


Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

You really do not get the storyline to even make an informed judgement about it.

Was it the Protheans themselves that decided the current cycle is unprepared, or did they program a VI to make that determination? The narrative says the latter.

You knkow.. all you are doing is saying "you don't understand!" and really just offering nothing that is supported in game.  It's all speculation on your part...far fetched speculation that strains the suspension of disbelief at the very vest.

[txgoldrush]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

A. Then blame ME1 for this, not ME3. If the current cycle was truly ready, they would be able to decrypt their files.
B. But they did, but through the cycles flaws, almost too late.
C. So the Reapers rediscovering the Crucible wouldn't matter?

A. Why should I blame the game that didn't introduce the braindead encryption idea? Even still, you don't encrypt the files you WANT people to look at and use. It's counter-inuitive.
B. I meant us. If we couldn't read the files, we wouldn't know to pass them down.
C. Not when everyone and thier mother knows about the Crucible anyway.

A. Ummmmm...the Cipher....lol
B. But you can decrypt them.
C. The Catalyst didn't after a while.

[Cheviot]

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Cheviot wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Cheviot wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...
You know, Shepard was looking for Conduit only because this was only link for Saren. And galaxy is big, you know.[/quote]

Yeah, and Shepard was searching for the Catalyst because it was the only hope for defeating the Reapers. What's your point?
[/quote]

Lack of basic reading skills? Or basic reading comprehension?[/quote]

Don't be so hard on yourself.  I'm sure, with the right help, you'll be understanding that "reading skills" and "reading comprehension" are basically the same thing in no time.

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Yeah yeah, someone designed an unknown device with unknown function which should interface with another unknown device with unknown function, unknown interface, unknown location and unconfirmed existence and ever need of it.
Makes sense... in a nonsensical fairytale[/quote]
How does that my post relates to your current post?[/quote]

My post relates to a later post.  The clue for that is that I quoted that later post.


[/quote]
Riiight
[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Cheviot wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Cheviot wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

Yeah yeah, someone designed an unknown device with unknown function which should interface with another unknown device with unknown function, unknown interface, unknown location and unconfirmed existence and ever need of it.

Makes sense... in a nonsensical fairytale. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]
[/quote]

Are you talking about the Crucible or the Conduit from ME1?

[/quote]
Guess you never played ME1. You know, mass relays, massless corridors and all that. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

[/quote]

You guessed wrong.  I played ME1, a game where everyone talks about a device with an unknown function - the Crucible - that doesn't get explained until the end of the game.  Also, it's slightly more than a relay, since it can send craft though solid objects like the walls of the Citadel.

[/quote]
Any relay can send craft through solid objects. Otherwise, relay network would never work.
Also, you obviously using standard bi0drone "defense" - about Conduit. Having no idea about ME1 plot, as always.
You know, Shepard was looking for Conduit only because this was only link for Saren. And galaxy is big, you know.[/quote]

So, you made an asspull, which contradicts ME1 plot, then i debunked that. And after that, you just cut part of my post in a futile attempt to shift theme of a debate which you just lost.
Pathetic. 
[/quote]

So you quoted an entire conversation, described what you didn't do, missed the point of what I did do, and then put a smiley at the end.

Good luck with the lessons!

[txgoldrush]

Kabraxal wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe the geniuses wanted to make sure the current cycle can defeat the Reapers before giving them the last component.

Notice how Vendetta refused to at first, give Shepard the location of the Catalyst due to Vendetta viewing the cycle as unable to defeat the Reapers.

Its all in the narrative.

Question. If conventional victory is impossible and the only hope is the Crucible... how would Vendetta ever unlock the final piece? Isn't the Crucible supposed to be the ultimate "win"?

Because reasons.
Not a single part of ME3 excuse of a plot makes any sense.
So, only hope to win against reapers is the Crucible. But we will send only part of information, which is useless without last part, because that should be a test for ... something, i guess. 

or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

Bwahahahahahaha


Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

You really do not get the storyline to even make an informed judgement about it.

Was it the Protheans themselves that decided the current cycle is unprepared, or did they program a VI to make that determination? The narrative says the latter.

You knkow.. all you are doing is saying "you don't understand!" and really just offering nothing that is supported in game.  It's all speculation on your part...far fetched speculation that strains the suspension of disbelief at the very vest.

Wrong

When a VI is hesitant to spill the secrets of the Crucible because it views the cycle already lost and then shuts down because indoctrinated agents apporach, its clear what the Prothean intentions are regarding sharing Crucible info.

Its not far fetched, its easy thinking much of this board isn't capable of.

[Maxster_]

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe the geniuses wanted to make sure the current cycle can defeat the Reapers before giving them the last component.

Notice how Vendetta refused to at first, give Shepard the location of the Catalyst due to Vendetta viewing the cycle as unable to defeat the Reapers.

Its all in the narrative.

Question. If conventional victory is impossible and the only hope is the Crucible... how would Vendetta ever unlock the final piece? Isn't the Crucible supposed to be the ultimate "win"?

Because reasons.
Not a single part of ME3 excuse of a plot makes any sense.
So, only hope to win against reapers is the Crucible. But we will send only part of information, which is useless without last part, because that should be a test for ... something, i guess. 

or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

Bwahahahahahaha


Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

You really do not get the storyline to even make an informed judgement about it.

Was it the Protheans themselves that decided the current cycle is unprepared, or did they program a VI to make that determination? The narrative says the latter.

Nevermind in the narrative that the location of the Thessia beacon was in the Mars Archives.....Cerberus got this.

Your wiggling is pathetic 

Okay, two variants
1.

Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

2.

Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared). So they programmed a VI with a task to decide unpreparedness of a next cycle.
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

So much difference. I got it now 

[Maxster_]

TheProtheans wrote...

You're preaching to the choir and some of the handicapped.

This wiggling is funny. I know, it is pointless, but funny 

[Maxster_]

Tomwew wrote...

Prothean scientest: "we must leave behind information so the primitave apes can defeat the reapers in the next cycle."
Prothean politician: "let's leave it on the dead planet next door to them."
scientest: "i suppose it won't be much use until they've discovered spaceflight but even so shouldn't we make it as accessible as possible?"
politician: "we should make information on mass effect technology and the relay system (which we know leads to the reaper trap citadel) easily accessible and go to great lengths to hide the information on the reaper killing device. also omit the information on the final vital component."
scientest: "that sounds like a stupid pla.."
politician: "good it's decided"
scientest: "damn space republicans."

Not only information about reaper killing device, but even information about reapers existence.
Which, of course, makes even less sense. 

[txgoldrush]

Maxster_ wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe the geniuses wanted to make sure the current cycle can defeat the Reapers before giving them the last component.

Notice how Vendetta refused to at first, give Shepard the location of the Catalyst due to Vendetta viewing the cycle as unable to defeat the Reapers.

Its all in the narrative.

Question. If conventional victory is impossible and the only hope is the Crucible... how would Vendetta ever unlock the final piece? Isn't the Crucible supposed to be the ultimate "win"?

Because reasons.
Not a single part of ME3 excuse of a plot makes any sense.
So, only hope to win against reapers is the Crucible. But we will send only part of information, which is useless without last part, because that should be a test for ... something, i guess. 

or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

Bwahahahahahaha


Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

You really do not get the storyline to even make an informed judgement about it.

Was it the Protheans themselves that decided the current cycle is unprepared, or did they program a VI to make that determination? The narrative says the latter.

Nevermind in the narrative that the location of the Thessia beacon was in the Mars Archives.....Cerberus got this.

Your wiggling is pathetic 

Okay, two variants
1.

Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

2.

Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared). So they programmed a VI with a task to decide unpreparedness of a next cycle.
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

So much difference. I got it now 

and yet you fail to get that the Protheans are clearly trying to keep its secrets out of enemy hands so that cycles can have a chance.

Its all in the narrative, which this dumb board doesn't understand.

[Kabraxal]

txgoldrush wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe the geniuses wanted to make sure the current cycle can defeat the Reapers before giving them the last component.

Notice how Vendetta refused to at first, give Shepard the location of the Catalyst due to Vendetta viewing the cycle as unable to defeat the Reapers.

Its all in the narrative.

Question. If conventional victory is impossible and the only hope is the Crucible... how would Vendetta ever unlock the final piece? Isn't the Crucible supposed to be the ultimate "win"?

Because reasons.
Not a single part of ME3 excuse of a plot makes any sense.
So, only hope to win against reapers is the Crucible. But we will send only part of information, which is useless without last part, because that should be a test for ... something, i guess. 

or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

Bwahahahahahaha


Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

You really do not get the storyline to even make an informed judgement about it.

Was it the Protheans themselves that decided the current cycle is unprepared, or did they program a VI to make that determination? The narrative says the latter.

You knkow.. all you are doing is saying "you don't understand!" and really just offering nothing that is supported in game.  It's all speculation on your part...far fetched speculation that strains the suspension of disbelief at the very vest.

Wrong

When a VI is hesitant to spill the secrets of the Crucible because it views the cycle already lost and then shuts down because indoctrinated agents apporach, its clear what the Prothean intentions are regarding sharing Crucible info.

Its not far fetched, its easy thinking much of this board isn't capable of.

You mean the "lets make it so obtuse and hard to actually discover that it would take an act of author authority for it to be discovered at the most pivotal time it's needed"?  Is that what you mean?  And then not have the Reapers, who are clearly  hounding Shepard along with Cerberus never once attack or derail the actual attempts at construction then to magically let the thing dock to the citadel without hassle...... yeah, all the in game evidence actually points to the crucible being a ploy by the reapers to distract and waste resources.  Because they certainly didn't do a damn thing to it for all the "proof" they viewed it as a threat in prior cycles.

Funny how all that speculating can more easily follow a different path than your supposed "enlightneted, superior" understanding.  Whoops.

[Ticonderoga117]

txgoldrush wrote...
A. Ummmmm...the Cipher....lol
B. But you can decrypt them.
C. The Catalyst didn't after a while.

A. It could be argued that it's more of an interface than a decryption thing, since the actual security of the message is the fact that only organics can read them.
B. Why are they encrypted in the first place? The Reapers know the damn thing exists.
C. Didn't what? Know? Care?

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 02 janvier 2013 - 02:16 .

[Maxster_]

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe the geniuses wanted to make sure the current cycle can defeat the Reapers before giving them the last component.

Notice how Vendetta refused to at first, give Shepard the location of the Catalyst due to Vendetta viewing the cycle as unable to defeat the Reapers.

Its all in the narrative.

Question. If conventional victory is impossible and the only hope is the Crucible... how would Vendetta ever unlock the final piece? Isn't the Crucible supposed to be the ultimate "win"?

Because reasons.
Not a single part of ME3 excuse of a plot makes any sense.
So, only hope to win against reapers is the Crucible. But we will send only part of information, which is useless without last part, because that should be a test for ... something, i guess. 

or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

Bwahahahahahaha


Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

You really do not get the storyline to even make an informed judgement about it.

Was it the Protheans themselves that decided the current cycle is unprepared, or did they program a VI to make that determination? The narrative says the latter.

Nevermind in the narrative that the location of the Thessia beacon was in the Mars Archives.....Cerberus got this.

Your wiggling is pathetic 

Okay, two variants
1.

Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

2.

Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared). So they programmed a VI with a task to decide unpreparedness of a next cycle.
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

So much difference. I got it now 

and yet you fail to get that the Protheans are clearly trying to keep its secrets out of enemy hands so that cycles can have a chance.

Its all in the narrative, which this dumb board doesn't understand.

Yes, yes, they decided that those secrets, which are only chance to defeat the reapers, should never be accessed by anyone.
Because this way, this information will never fall into enemy's hands.

Anyway, this defeats entire purpose of sending that information to a next cycle, but who cares about logic. 

[Cheviot]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

A. They encrypted the warning and the plans, what did they think would happen!
B. If we can't pass down the information, it's all for naught.
C. It's not jepradizing anything!

They wrote the plans in Prothean.  The plans on Mars were probably not how they hoped to pass down the Crucible.  It was most likely Vendetta that was supposed to pass it on, but, through circumstance and the passage of time, it wasn't activated until almost too late.

[txgoldrush]

Kabraxal wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe the geniuses wanted to make sure the current cycle can defeat the Reapers before giving them the last component.

Notice how Vendetta refused to at first, give Shepard the location of the Catalyst due to Vendetta viewing the cycle as unable to defeat the Reapers.

Its all in the narrative.

Question. If conventional victory is impossible and the only hope is the Crucible... how would Vendetta ever unlock the final piece? Isn't the Crucible supposed to be the ultimate "win"?

Because reasons.
Not a single part of ME3 excuse of a plot makes any sense.
So, only hope to win against reapers is the Crucible. But we will send only part of information, which is useless without last part, because that should be a test for ... something, i guess. 

or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

Bwahahahahahaha


Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

You really do not get the storyline to even make an informed judgement about it.

Was it the Protheans themselves that decided the current cycle is unprepared, or did they program a VI to make that determination? The narrative says the latter.

You knkow.. all you are doing is saying "you don't understand!" and really just offering nothing that is supported in game.  It's all speculation on your part...far fetched speculation that strains the suspension of disbelief at the very vest.

Wrong

When a VI is hesitant to spill the secrets of the Crucible because it views the cycle already lost and then shuts down because indoctrinated agents apporach, its clear what the Prothean intentions are regarding sharing Crucible info.

Its not far fetched, its easy thinking much of this board isn't capable of.

You mean the "lets make it so obtuse and hard to actually discover that it would take an act of author authority for it to be discovered at the most pivotal time it's needed"?  Is that what you mean?  And then not have the Reapers, who are clearly  hounding Shepard along with Cerberus never once attack or derail the actual attempts at construction then to magically let the thing dock to the citadel without hassle...... yeah, all the in game evidence actually points to the crucible being a ploy by the reapers to distract and waste resources.  Because they certainly didn't do a damn thing to it for all the "proof" they viewed it as a threat in prior cycles.

Funny how all that speculating can more easily follow a different path than your supposed "enlightneted, superior" understanding.  Whoops.

oh wait and the second conversation with Vendetta, he tells you that he is trying to keep the plans from falling in the Reapers hands....its all in the narrative. Easy thinking, its spoon fed to you, but you choose to ignore clear facts.

Nevermind Vendetta also foreshadows two more things....that there may be a master (first convo) and that the Citadel enhances dark energy emissions which expains how the Crucible works (second convo).....or did you ignore clear info dumps when you criticize. Its all in the narrative.

What a dumb board.

[Sapeinus]

Seems to me the OP is overly critical, maybe a bit obsessive.

I agree with poster who points out that ME, ME2, and ME3 all share similar weaknesses to such obsessive fans who go all critical. Players are dreaming of days that never were, overly loving the earlier games and overly hating on the last.

[moater boat]

I haven't read most of these answers, but it is strange that this has 9 pages of responses. It should really just be a bunch of people give short answers of agreement, because anyone that doesn't agree with the OP is not right in the head.

[txgoldrush]

Cheviot wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

A. They encrypted the warning and the plans, what did they think would happen!
B. If we can't pass down the information, it's all for naught.
C. It's not jepradizing anything!

They wrote the plans in Prothean.  The plans on Mars were probably not how they hoped to pass down the Crucible.  It was most likely Vendetta that was supposed to pass it on, but, through circumstance and the passage of time, it wasn't activated until almost too late.

Vendetta states that he is not supposed to reveal the Catalyst until the Crucible is complete and he is programmed to do this to keep the info on the Crucible out of the Reapers hands.

Seriously, people don't pay attention to the game.

[Tomwew]

how did the protheans get the plans to mars anyway? the relays were shut down in their cycle so they either had to take a very long ftl journey to our solar system, without being caught and then either construct the mars archives or decide to add, and hide the incomplete crucible designs to already existing archives.

or they had and were aware of the importance of the crucible plans before the invasion in their cycle, decided our species was a better candidate to entrust with the plans than the asari, then went to lengths to hide the information. and they couldn't build the crucible in time with a subjugated empire even, though we built it in a matter of months in the midst of a reaper invasion.

does feel a bit contrived.

[Dark_Caduceus]

arial wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Everything about the Crucible is ridiculously contrived. The timing, the placement, its design, construction, and how it surpasses the technology of the Catalyst since synthesis was attempted and failed. How could such a device be designed and built the way it was under the circumstances?

Why didn't we get a weapon developed after intel gathered from the Collector's base and the Human-Reaper or something developing from ME2? It would have made much more sense and not render ME2 completely pointless.

because then everyone who destroyed the base automatically lose. = angry Customers

ME2 was not completely pointless. its how we recieved the SR2, how we know TIM, and met many characters who play a vital part in the war effort, even if they are not working directly with Shepard.

The SR2 didn't play a pivotal role in the ME3 battles, it's just one ship. It doesn;t amtter if we know, or don;t know TIM because he's an omnipresent threat to the galaxy, everyone knows TIM and we end up killing him regadless of how we interacted in ME2, who played a pivotal role in the war effort? All you need to do is promote MP characters to nullify the "pivotal" contributions of the people we met in ME2.

ME2 isn't built logically from ME1, and what happened in ME2 has only minor effects in ME3.

[ghost9191]

HOLY PYRAMIDS BATMAN

[Kabraxal]

txgoldrush wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
or maybe the geniuses wanted to make sure the current cycle can defeat the Reapers before giving them the last component.

Notice how Vendetta refused to at first, give Shepard the location of the Catalyst due to Vendetta viewing the cycle as unable to defeat the Reapers.

Its all in the narrative.

Question. If conventional victory is impossible and the only hope is the Crucible... how would Vendetta ever unlock the final piece? Isn't the Crucible supposed to be the ultimate "win"?

Because reasons.
Not a single part of ME3 excuse of a plot makes any sense.
So, only hope to win against reapers is the Crucible. But we will send only part of information, which is useless without last part, because that should be a test for ... something, i guess. 

or maybe because the story is more logical than you are.....

Why would the Protheans jeporadize the cycles of the future by giving up the ultimate plans to an unprepared cycle that it views is doomed to fail? That didn't heed its warning until it was too late?

Bwahahahahahaha


Okay. So, every other cycle was completely unprepared for a reaper invasion and were surprisingly decapiatated and lost Citadel and relay network.
And they all received those plans right after the invasion.

But, protheans, somehow, decided that current cycle is unprepared. And decided to hold a part of plans(obviously because they knew in advance that this cycle will be unprepared).
All that because this cycle is doomed to fail, and unprepared.
When other cycles, were obviously prepared and not doomed to fail. 

You really do not get the storyline to even make an informed judgement about it.

Was it the Protheans themselves that decided the current cycle is unprepared, or did they program a VI to make that determination? The narrative says the latter.

You knkow.. all you are doing is saying "you don't understand!" and really just offering nothing that is supported in game.  It's all speculation on your part...far fetched speculation that strains the suspension of disbelief at the very vest.

Wrong

When a VI is hesitant to spill the secrets of the Crucible because it views the cycle already lost and then shuts down because indoctrinated agents apporach, its clear what the Prothean intentions are regarding sharing Crucible info.

Its not far fetched, its easy thinking much of this board isn't capable of.

You mean the "lets make it so obtuse and hard to actually discover that it would take an act of author authority for it to be discovered at the most pivotal time it's needed"?  Is that what you mean?  And then not have the Reapers, who are clearly  hounding Shepard along with Cerberus never once attack or derail the actual attempts at construction then to magically let the thing dock to the citadel without hassle...... yeah, all the in game evidence actually points to the crucible being a ploy by the reapers to distract and waste resources.  Because they certainly didn't do a damn thing to it for all the "proof" they viewed it as a threat in prior cycles.

Funny how all that speculating can more easily follow a different path than your supposed "enlightneted, superior" understanding.  Whoops.

oh wait and the second conversation with Vendetta, he tells you that he is trying to keep the plans from falling in the Reapers hands....its all in the narrative. Easy thinking, its spoon fed to you, but you choose to ignore clear facts.

Nevermind Vendetta also foreshadows two more things....that there may be a master (first convo) and that the Citadel enhances dark energy emissions which expains how the Crucible works (second convo).....or did you ignore clear info dumps when you criticize. Its all in the narrative.

What a dumb board.

Except it's all meshed together and produces so many plot holes that have been discused time and time again... but no, you are only here to proclaim your grand intellect, call anyone that disagrees stupid, and parade around in your false sense of superiority.  

Here's a hint... you want to discuss the endings and the plot holes and contrivances like the Crucible?  Fine.  But you immediately start denegrating anyone that doesn't accept your opinion and proceed to troll.  You are the clear problem here.  YOu don't want a discussion... you just want to scream how intelligent you are without actually having to deal with competing theorires that hold just as much, if not more weight. So keep on talking about the stupid board and just proving yourself incapable of anything other than trolling.