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krul2k wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Will my character be given the option to worship the great and powerful Nug. That's the real question.

in retrospect, thats not the real question, thats the only question

thats not the only question, I can think of several different questions right now. Like wats for lunch? Can I wear a hat? Why do people wear socks with sandals?

[Emzamination]

LobselVith8 wrote...

krul2k wrote...

ok then if thats the case why does my character constantly quote the "maker" in vo in combat or whatever if i do not need to follow it

if the character doesnt have to follow the andresttian religion, then why in the 7 hells does my character have to say "andraste this" or "andraste that" or maker" this or "maker" that WHY??? its bloody annoyingm its a 18+ game why cant they just say ohhhh fffs

edit: post not to you whyyyk

Hawke does say Leandra is with the Maker, and tells Feynriel (who he knows believes in the Creators) that he hopes the Maker watches over him; in addition to the religious conversation Hawke can have with Sebastian. Hawke is written as being religiously Andrastian. I'm not sure why, when we had a choice to determine whether The Warden believed in the Maker or not.

Right, despite the fact hawke can repeatedly express their dislike of the maker, call the chantry a scam to the grand clerics face and even become a old god worshipper in legacy. 

Has it not occured to you that the only reason hawke says leandra is with the maker, could be because leandra believed in the maker as her deitie. Would you say a dwarf is with the maker or with their ancestors (depending on their belief), even if you are of another religion? Also I don't recall feynriel ever giving his religious preference.

Modifié par Emzamination, 01 janvier 2013 - 03:04 .

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Emzamination wrote...

Do we never get any new topics? Gaider said months ago that the character would not be able to be an atheist in a political sense but wouldn't have to follow the Andrastian religion either.

[TEWR]

Emzamination wrote...

Also I don't recall feynriel ever giving his religious preference.

In Act 1 during his associated quest he talks about it. And he was raised by a Dalish woman.

Emzamination wrote...

Right, despite the fact hawke can repeatedly express their dislike of the maker

He actually can't. And even if he can, dislike still denotes belief in a sense. He would still believe in the Maker, but just find him to be King of the Pricks.

Emzamination wrote...

call the chantry a scam to the grand clerics face

Well, he can't call it a scam IIRC. And insulting the Chantry talks more about hatred of an institution as opposed to a hatred of a certain belief.

Emzamination wrote....

even become a old god worshipper in legacy. 

A valid point.

Lobselvith8 wrote...

Hawke does say Leandra is with the Maker, and tells Feynriel (who he knows believes in the Creators) that he hopes the Maker watches over him

This probably wouldn't have been so jarring to me if Hawke didn't do other "I'm an Andrastian!" stuff. I could've taken it as just being a "Godspeed" equivalent as opposed to it seeming to be that and a reference to Hawke's Andrastian upbringing.

If I could've made Hawke's beliefs depending on how I wanted to do it, I would've just seen that Feynriel moment as a Godspeed equivalent.

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You should all renounce your false gods and worship Great Cthulhu.

Don't blame me, I voted for Cthulhu.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 janvier 2013 - 03:20 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

The OP is not the first to ask this question. Instead of giving an honest answer, Bioware dances around the subject.

But I don't think we need Bioware for this one. Anyone who has played the Dragon Age games knows that you are never really given an opportunity to express your own beliefs with the exception of the Human Noble origin, and even that was a rare instance.

[LobselVith8]

Nizaris1 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Hawke does say Leandra is with the Maker, and tells Feynriel (who he knows believes in the Creators) that he hopes the Maker watches over him; in addition to the religious conversation Hawke can have with Sebastian. Hawke is written as being religiously Andrastian. I'm not sure why, when we had a choice to determine whether The Warden believed in the Maker or not.

In DA:O, if you choose other thn "Wise" voice your Warden will not ever saying "Maker"...if you choose "Wise" voice your Warden will say "By the Maker!" in combat.

Non Human Warden will say their God name in "Wise" voice 

You're missing my point. My Surana Warden said he didn't believe in the Maker. The Warden can tell Justice he doesn't believe in the Maker, while Hawke believes in the Maker. He even tells Merrill that Leandra is with the Maker. With the Warden, I have a choice to determine if he believes in the Maker or not, while Hawke is written to be religiously Andrastian, regardless of my opinion.

[Emzamination]

[quote]The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


In Act 1 during his associated quest he talks about it. And he was raised by a Dalish woman.
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His mothers ethnicity is irrelevant to his personal religious beliefs. The warden could a pure blood dalish or dwarf and still become a avid believer of the maker. Also where in this quest does he state he believes in the creators?

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He actually can't. And even if he can, dislike still denotes belief in a sense. He would still believe in the Maker, but just find him to be King of the Pricks.
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Yes actually he can when speaking to the grand cleric about the warden and the blight. and yes "dislike" is sufficient enough to define your religious standing. You can choose not follow the organization without going to the extreme of denouncing the gods existence. That is a political atheist view which gaider has already shut down.

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Well, he can't call it a scam IIRC. And insulting the Chantry talks more about hatred of an institution as opposed to a hatred of a certain belief.
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Incorrect hawke can call the chantry a scam during act 3 when conversing with the grand cleric. and again you're talking about an extremist view. Being able to seperate yourself from the organization is adequate enough without vocalizing how fake you think their god is. Some things are better left to the role playing.

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[Dabrikishaw]

Can't you request to have a mod close the topic?

[DPSSOC]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Maybe Andraste was an Elf...see how Elf greet everyone "Andrastanishan stanger/Keeper/Warden..."

Andrastanishan = ANDRASTE

Andaran atish'an you mean.  While it's possible this could, over the years, have been wittled down to Andraste (language is funny like that) I don't think so.  I know IRL we've come up with some really stupid names for our kids but even we're not so bad as to name any of them Hello.  Right?  Right?

Nizaris1 wrote...
I think that is the reason of Exalted March toward the Elves, because the Chantry want to bury the history

I prefer the much simpler explanation supported by the evidence that the Elves are, and always have been, jerks.

[In Exile]

DPSSOC wrote...

I prefer the much simpler explanation supported by the evidence that the Elves are, and always have been, jerks.

If someone like Velana had a reasonably sized force near a human border, it's entirely believable she would strike a blow against a human village.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

krul2k wrote...

simple question

will my character be giving the option not to believe in the "maker"?

No, because in Thedas doesn't exist anything to doubt his existance. You are a human, and as such raised according to Chantry believes, so there is no other option but to believe in maker.

[nightscrawl]

David Gaider wrote...

There is no such thing as atheism in Thedas. Not sure why someone thinks it was an option in DAO-- possibly it's the same kind of interpretation as them thinking Hawke was "forced" into being a devout believer. Either way, it's not really an option we intend to include.

I don't mind the various references Hawke makes, since I talk like that myself, despite not being religious. They are figures of speech and are common epithets.

Despite David's words above, there are several and clear instances in DAO where you can either show non-conformity (by remaining silent in a couple of scenes), or outright disdain for the Maker by being insulting and rude. Perhaps the use of the word "atheism" is what is throwing him off. Perhaps if people asked to express similar opinions as those in DAO it might be more acceptable, as it seems it is only the players who have taken those dialog lines and assigned "atheism" to them, rather than the writers' intention that those lines be used to express atheism.

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What I think probably happened is that they included those lines in DAO for the RP value of the Dalish elf and dwarf characters. Unfortunately for the devs, the humans are able to see and use those lines as well. Perhaps if this wasn't their intention, they should have restricted those lines to Dalish and dwarven PCs, in a similar way that lines referencing the human noble origin (my family was murdered) aren't available to a mage, and so forth.


From the same thread...

David Gaider wrote...

harkness72 wrote...
I find this an absured response. Are you seriously suggesting that nobody in Thedas has ever questioned the existence of the Maker?

Among humanity, outside of the individual that would be correct. It's not a common thing. And, regardless, it's not an option we provided in DAO or will provide in the future.

David Gaider wrote...

Wulfram wrote...
Probably because they could say things like "I've told you before I don't believe in the Maker" in the HN origin

If that was in there, then so be it. There wasn't intended to be an option to express atheism. And there certainly won't be again.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:07 .