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[TEWR]

XX-Pyro wrote...

The Warden showing disdain for the Maker or Chantry does not mean s/he doesn't believe in the Maker. Just like I could say the Christian God is evil, and yet believe in him. (And no this isn't my belief, as I myself am a Christian, so please don't attack me for saying that.)

It's not simple disdain. It's a statement saying he doesn't believe in Him. The quote to Mallol in the HN origin is "You know I don't believe in the Maker", not "You know I don't think the Maker's worth worship".

In addition to all the other times the Warden can express similar ideas, he can also be dismissive of the Dalish religion in conversation with Gheyna and IIRC slightly dismissive of the Dwarven one.

Ultimately, this all comes down to one thing: headcanon. Give me an option that I can say makes my character feel no religion is valid, and I'll be fine. What DAO did was enough. I don't have to go on some crusade trying to dismantle all religions everywhere in Thedas. 

[In Exile]

Wulfram wrote...

Hawke actually seems to be being more Orthodox than the Grand Cleric that case, from what I understand. The Maker isn't supposed to be helping out people nowadays - he's off in a snit because Andraste died.

I think it's more obviously the case that whoever wrote that scene forgot what Andrastian role was like, versus what Christian lore is like. The clear implication there is that the Grand Cleric is speaking with the authority of the Chantry, citing the correct Chantry view, and then Hawke calls BS.

If you look at the general tone of references to the maker in DA2, quite a few of them confuse the Maker with the interventionist Christian God.

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
It doesn't make sense - for me - to play a mage protagonist who believes in Andraste and the Maker, given the rhetoric of the Chantry towards mages.

And there is nothing in the game that forces you to do that. You just can't be as militant as you apparently want.

Which is funny because most of the anti-Chantry lines in DA:O were, according to what we were told pre-release, therefore more for the mage PCs than the non-human PCs.

[In Exile]

I'm just going to add this here, because I came across in in another thread, because LobselVith8 is absolutely misleading about the scene with Merril and Hawke being forced into an Andrastian response:

Here is the dialogue:

Merril: Leandra is in a better place right now.
Hawke: [paraphrase option - You're right.]
Hawke [spoken line - She's with the Maker].

This is absurd. Merril makes the most religious reference possible - that Leandra is in the afterlife. And you have the option agreeing that Leandra is in the afterlife.

If you voluntarily choose to make Hawke religious, then he is an Andrastian. Which makes sense - nowhere in DA:O can your HN express worship of the creators or ancestors.

[Emzamination]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Quest name please?

Wayward Son, right after you've taken him from the slavers -- either by force or guile.

I think it's triggered by an investigation dialogue, and most videos I've seen on youtube of DAO or DAII tend to skip over those.

Thank you   I'll keep a lookout for that dialogue on my next playthrough.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Ultimately, this all comes down to one thing: headcanon. Give me an option that I can say makes my character feel no religion is valid, and I'll be fine. What DAO did was enough. I don't have to go on some crusade trying to dismantle all religions everywhere in Thedas. 

Yup, it's all up to the role player.

Also lol'd hard at crusade line.

[LobselVith8]

In Exile wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

It doesn't make sense - for me[/i] - to play a mage protagonist who believes in Andraste and the Maker, given the rhetoric of the Chantry towards mages. 

And there is nothing in the game that forces you to do that.

When Hawke says his mother is with the Maker as the only dialogue option where he isn't berating Merrill for trying to comfort him, when Hawke tells Feynriel that he hopes the Maker guides him, when I don't have the same freedom I did in Origins, then you're factually inaccurate with such a statement. And there's nothing 'militant' about simply not sharing the religious views of Andrastians.

In Exile wrote...

You just can't be as militant as you apparently want.

Which is funny because most of the anti-Chantry lines in DA:O were, according to what we were told pre-release, therefore more for the mage PCs than the non-human PCs.

Actually, the Surana line where he condemns the Chantry was about the fall of the Dales; it had nothing to do with the plight of the mages. You're wrong again.

[LobselVith8]

In Exile wrote...

I'm just going to add this here, because I came across in in another thread, because LobselVith8 is absolutely misleading about the scene with Merril and Hawke being forced into an Andrastian response: 

Here is the dialogue:

Merril: Leandra is in a better place right now.
Hawke: [paraphrase option - You're right.]
Hawke [spoken line - She's with the Maker].

This is absurd.

Is there a line where Hawke says he doesn't believe in the Maker, or that he doesn't believe in an afterlife? No? Then my point stands.

In Exile wrote...

Merril makes the most religious reference possible - that Leandra is in the afterlife. And you have the option agreeing that Leandra is in the afterlife.

If you voluntarily choose to make Hawke religious, then he is an Andrastian. Which makes sense - nowhere in DA:O can your HN express worship of the creators or ancestors.

There's no alternative to Hawke being religiously Andrastian, only two rude lines to someone who is trying to comfort him, and you also ignore the other examples mentioned in this thread.

[MisterJB]

LobselVith8 wrote...
When Hawke says his mother is with the Maker as the only dialogue option where he isn't berating Merrill for trying to comfort him, when Hawke tells Feynriel that he hopes the Maker guides him, when I don't have the same freedom I did in Origins, then you're factually inaccurate with such a statement. And there's nothing 'militant' about simply not sharing the religious views of Andrastians.

You yourself admit that there is a way to avoid Hawke expressing Andrastian views. All it takes is to berate Merril somewhat.
Now, you clearly are not happy with this alternative and that is understandable. But what In Exile says is factually true. You are not forced to express Andrastian views.

[Sir JK]

LobselVith8 wrote...

When Hawke says his mother is with the Maker as the only dialogue option where he isn't berating Merrill for trying to comfort him, when Hawke tells Feynriel that he hopes the Maker guides him, when I don't have the same freedom I did in Origins, then you're factually inaccurate with such a statement. And there's nothing 'militant' about simply not sharing the religious views of Andrastians.

I'm sorry Lobsel, but now you're being intellectually dishonest. Your statement is that Hawke has no option but to be Andrastian. Yet the very scene that your argument hinges on has a total of 7 combinations, only 2 leads to Hawke referencing the maker.
Like, In Exile states, it is also blatantly obvious that the options in question are religious since they confirm belief in the afterlife.

You might not like the other two options very much but the choice is very much there. They're not even tone-, but choice-options and thus done in a neutral voice. Made even worse by the fact that technically speaking, only one is antagonistic towards Merill. The other ("mother should be here...") could easily be grief speaking (and since rivalry is gained by none of the options. Merill takes no offense regardless of what you say).

And as In Exile states... belief in the afterlife as a uneducated fereldan pretty much confirms Chant of Light. The Chasind and the Dalish are barbarians and practically bogeymen, the dwarves live far away and Tevinter is a distant legend. Add in a lack of an educational system and it should be rather obvious it's the only credible option. The only concept of an afterlife that Hawke could be familiar with is the Andrastian one.

You do not want Hawke to be Andrastian? Pick one of the other 5 combinations. You might not like them as much, but forced you are not.

Modifié par Sir JK, 02 janvier 2013 - 07:37 .

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
When Hawke says his mother is with the Maker as the only dialogue option where he isn't berating Merrill for trying to comfort him, when Hawke tells Feynriel that he hopes the Maker guides him, when I don't have the same freedom I did in Origins, then you're factually inaccurate with such a statement. And there's nothing 'militant' about simply not sharing the religious views of Andrastians.

I've already deal with the Merril example. If you want to stick your head in the sand, then that's your business. I also like how you move the goalposts - now all of a sudden it's "without berating Merril for trying to comfort him".

You want to play this game? Fine. Here are the DA:O options when Wynne asks you what it means to be a Grey Warden:


[*]It means I've been chosen to do something important.
[*]Glory and honor on the battlefield.
[*]I suppose its about killing as many darkspawn as possible.
[*]It means everyone needs to show me some respect. (-3)
[*]I don't know. Does it have to mean something?

Where is my being kidnapped and forced to leave your parents to die option? No? Not there? Oh noes, my freedom! DA:O doesn't let you have nuanced views about the Wardens. It broke no less than 3 character concepts I had when it came up. But I roll with it, becuase that's the reality of a game that doesn't have unlimited dialogue options.

You're obsessing over this line to prove some point about DA:O and DA2 - but you're wrong. You're just whining about your view now - all of a sudden Hawke isn't being religious without your consent, you're just "forced" to choose the line so you don't berate Merril.

Actually, the Surana line where he condemns the Chantry was about the fall of the Dales; it had nothing to do with the plight of the mages. You're wrong again.

Can you read? I said most of the lines, first of all. So I have absolutely no idea what you're on about here, other than to prove that you can't apparently parse grammar.

Not to mention that this line is open to all origins.

Is there a line where Hawke says he doesn't believe in the Maker, or
that he doesn't believe in an afterlife? No? Then my point stands.

Your point doesn't stand at all. I don't go around telling my Chrstian friends on Christmas that I think their religion is nonsensical, but that doesn't suddenly make me a Christian. Let's play the quote game:

or say that a loved one is now with your god (Leandra). It removes my agency over the protagonist.

Nothing forces you to pick this line. There's no way, in context, that this line is ambiguous - it is clearly about the afterlife. So you have just picked a line that says to Merrill: you are correct, my mother is in the afterlife. And then the spoken like is Andrastian - becuase Hawke, if religious is Andrastian. And this is exactly the same kind of freedom you get in DA:O. Because you can't have a human character who believes in the Creators.

There's no alternative to Hawke being religiously Andrastian, only two
rude lines to someone who is trying to comfort him, and you also ignore
the other examples mentioned in this thread.

There's no alternative to the human Warden worshiping the Maker if you choose to have a religious Mage/Cousland. This is not "less freedom than DA:O" that you constantly go on about.

More importantly, you've just moved the goalposts from here to the other side of North America when you've suddenly made it about "two rude lines".

And I haven't ignored other examples - I've asked you for proof, while I'm scouring the internet to see how else you've just intentionally misled everyone on this forum by misquoting scenes to suit your own agenda.

Modifié par In Exile, 02 janvier 2013 - 07:43 .

[LobselVith8]

MisterJB wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

When Hawke says his mother is with the Maker as the only dialogue option where he isn't berating Merrill for trying to comfort him, when Hawke tells Feynriel that he hopes the Maker guides him, when I don't have the same freedom I did in Origins, then you're factually inaccurate with such a statement. And there's nothing 'militant' about simply not sharing the religious views of Andrastians.

You yourself admit that there is a way to avoid Hawke expressing Andrastian views. All it takes is to berate Merril somewhat.
Now, you clearly are not happy with this alternative and that is understandable. But what In Exile says is factually true. You are not forced to express Andrastian views.

Considering the other Andrastian lines, like Hawke telling Feynriel that he hopes the Maker guides him, then the example of this dialogue isn't dishonest - it's one of other examples of how I don't get to shape who Hawke is. It's a concern when the Inquisitor may be just as limited.

[AlienWolf728]

Why is atheism such a big deal to everyone on BSN? Just because you can't announce to the universe that you're an atheist doesn't mean your character isn't; you can headcanon it just like many other aspects. Seriously, people.

Modifié par AlienWolf728, 02 janvier 2013 - 07:42 .

[TNT1991]

HJF4 wrote...

I'm a secular atheist, I say "Oh my God" or "Jesus Christ," despite not believing. It's due to the society I lived and am living in.
That same could go for your atheist (if allowed) and/or secular player character.

 

That's funny and opposite for most religious people...

I'm religious and saying "Oh my God" or "Jesus Christ" is about the same as saying any other curse word (whenever I say "God", I get shunned by every religious person out there...that's why I replace it with "Maker"...most of the time). 
So I'd figured Atheists used "God" more than us. 
That's what I thought when playing DA2--that the character's beliefs could go either way...? 

Modifié par TNT1991, 02 janvier 2013 - 07:43 .

[LobselVith8]

Sir JK wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

When Hawke says his mother is with the Maker as the only dialogue option where he isn't berating Merrill for trying to comfort him, when Hawke tells Feynriel that he hopes the Maker guides him, when I don't have the same freedom I did in Origins, then you're factually inaccurate with such a statement. And there's nothing 'militant' about simply not sharing the religious views of Andrastians.

I'm sorry Lobsel, but now you're being intellectually dishonest.

When it's one example among others, no, I'm not.

Sir JK wrote...

Your statement is that Hawke has no option but to be Andrastian. Yet the very scene that your argument hinges on has a total of 7 combinations, only 2 leads to Hawke referencing the maker.
Like, In Exile states, it is also blatantly obvious that the options in question are religious since they confirm belief in the afterlife.

Hawke is written as religiously Andrastian. His only option is to express that he thinks Leandra is eith the Maker; the other two dialogue options do not provide alternative views of belief. There's no alternative dialogue option where he says he doesn't believe in the Maker (via Cousland and Surana).

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Considering the other Andrastian lines, like Hawke telling Feynriel that he hopes the Maker guides him, then the example of this dialogue isn't dishonest - it's one of other examples of how I don't get to shape who Hawke is. It's a concern when the Inquisitor may be just as limited.

You mean, the other Andrastian line, because so far you've proven one thing:  that if you choose a religious option in a religious context then the human protagonist whose family is religiously Andriastian will express an Andastian view.

Here is what may be a newsflash: humans are Andrastian in Ferelden. If you are a religious human, you are an Andrastian, with very rare exceptions. If you choose to have your human protagonist express a religious view, it wil be Andrastian.

This was true in DA:O, it was true in DA2. It will be true in DA:I. But you were not forced to do this in DA2 (with Merril). And I am now hunting down the Feyrniel scene to see what you are on about.

[TEWR]

In Exile wrote...
 And I am now hunting down the Feyrniel scene to see what you are on about. 

I doubt you'll find it on the internet. The line Hawke will say, if Feynriel is heading towards Tevinter in his Act 2 quest, is "May the Maker guide your path Feynriel."

Which, if that was the only instance of Hawke invoking the Maker, I could take as just being a Godspeed equivalent. But in light of how Hawke will bring up the Maker regarding Leandra, it's that and him expressing his own Andrastian views to a believer in the Creators.

And Feynriel will remark in Act 1, during Wayward Son, something that denotes he was raised by Arianni to believe in the Creators. He brings them up even. I can't recall the actual line verbatim, only that it brings up the Creators. For all his life, his Dalish mother raised him -- the same woman that asks to go back to her people -- so it seems evident Feynriel's a believer in the Creators.

Really, during the Leandra moment would it have been so hard for Hawke to go "I hope she is" in response to Merrill? Or asking her about what the Dalish believe happens in death?

That's all I personally am asking for. Things that I could interpret as having other religious connotations other then a blatant "I believe (I can fly)" or "I don't believe" or worse, being insulting, rude, and just all around a douchebag.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 02 janvier 2013 - 07:58 .

[LobselVith8]

In Exile wrote

I've already deal with the Merril example. If you want to stick your head in the sand, then that's your business. I also like how you move the goalposts - now all of a sudden it's "without berating Merril for trying to comfort him".

No, the goalpost is about freedom of expression - the kind we had in Origins. Hawke only having the option to express belief in Andrastian views, or being rude without contradicting the Andrastian view with an alternative, is the issue.

In Exile wrote...

And I haven't ignored other examples - I've asked you for proof, while I'm scouring the internet to see how else you've just intentionally misled everyone on this forum by misquoting scenes to suit your own agenda.

Your rude tone aside, I thought you already played the game. I've discussed this issue previously with people who saw the scene. And posters have complained about Hawke being written as religious Andrastian in other threads; people have addressed their concerns before. I'm sure you've seen the other threads; Xil made a recent thread not too long ago about this issue.

[In Exile]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I doubt you'll find it on the internet. The line Hawke will say, if Feynriel is heading towards Tevinter in his Act 2 quest, is "May the Maker guide your path Feynriel."

The context matters a great deal. Because in the Merril scene, the paraphrase option is "you're right" in response to "Leandra is in a better place". There is no way the writers could possibly have written a more "WARNING! RELIGIOUS OPTION! WARNING! RELIGIOUS OPTION!" than wording it like I just did.

If I tell my friend godspeed, I am not being a Christian.

What are the other options? What is the prompt that gives rise to the line? What does Feynriel say before that?

Which, if that was the only instance of Hawke invoking the Maker, I could take as just being a Godspeed equivalent.But in light of how Hawke will bring up the Maker regarding Leandra, it's that and him expressing his own Andrastian views to a believer in the Creators.

Hawke doesn't "bring up the maker." The intent of the line is - Leandra is in a better place. The player brings up the Maker. Hawke is written to be Andrastian, if the player wants Hawke to be religious.

So what we have is an ambiguous line that could be religious and optional dialogue telepgraphed as religious.

To say that this is evidence that Hawke is not allowed to be an atheist and the writers wrote the character specifically to be Andrastian is absurd.

And Feynriel will remark in Act 1, during Wayward Son, something that denotes he was raised by Arianni to believe in the Creators. He brings them up even. I can't recall the actual line verbatim, only that it brings up the Creators. For all his life, his Dalish mother raised him -- the same woman that asks to go back to her people -- so it seems evident Feynriel's a believer in the Creators.

But that doesn't matter. If I tell my Muslim friend "godspeed" I'm not doing because he's Muslim or I'm an atheist. I'm doing it because this is a culturally appropriate phrase to use and I'm not thinking every much about it. because I don't care if I invoke a made up figure's name any more than if I say "may the force be with you."

Really, during the Leandra moment would it have been so hard for Hawke to go "I hope she is" in response to Merrill? Or asking her about what the Dalish believe happens in death?

Given that the option is you're right, it makes no sense for this paraphrase to lead into "I hope she is." You're right is logically (and gramatically) opposite from that.

The writers didn't give that option. It sucks. It sucked for me when the writers refused to allow me to call out Duncan for being a kidnapping murderer. But that doesn't make Hawke an Andrastian.

[MisterJB]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Considering the other Andrastian lines, like Hawke telling Feynriel that he hopes the Maker guides him, then the example of this dialogue isn't dishonest - it's one of other examples of how I don't get to shape who Hawke is. It's a concern when the Inquisitor may be just as limited.

The ability to shape a character is always limited by a myriad of things in an RPG. I, for one, wanted to lead templars into the alienage and darktown but didn't get to do it.
Ultimately, you are not forced to have your hawke express religious views, they are avoidable even if the alternative is not something you like. If Hawke doesn't talk about neither the Maker nor Andraste, there is nothing indicating that he is an Andrastian. If what you want is to have your human PC worshipping the elven phanteon, I fear you'll remain disillusioned.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:13 .

[Sir JK]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'm sorry Lobsel, but now you're being intellectually dishonest.

Hawke is written as religiously Andrastian. His only option is to express that he thinks Leandra is eith the Maker; the other two dialogue options do not provide alternative views of belief. There's no alternative dialogue option where he says he doesn't believe in the Maker (via Cousland and Surana).

(emphasis mine)

See... this here is why it I wrote the first line. You first state that it is the only option and then immediatly concede two other options. If there are options, then being andrastian is not the only option. It is -a- option. It is not the only one. The other alternatives do not provide alternate beliefs, but they are secular. If you do not wish to be andrastian, pick a secular option. It really is that simple.
The scene is not about faith, it is about grief. Faith is a method of dealing with that, but not the only one. The only one forcing Hawke to be andrastian in this case, is yourself. Because you chose a faith-option in a grief-related scene. It is not a forum for discussing religion. There is no need for lines rejecting the chantry in that scene. Because it is not relevant.

So please, stop moving the goal post. There is options in that scene. It can confirm faith, yes. But it need not. You do not have to choose that line. That scene does not in any way force you to be Andrastian, but it does give you the choice. Which is what you supposedly want, yes? The choice.

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
No, the goalpost is about freedom of expression - the kind we had in Origins. Hawke only having the option to express belief in Andrastian views, or being rude without contradicting the Andrastian view with an alternative, is the issue.

No, it isn't. Let me quote you: 

Hawke does say Leandra is with the Maker, and tells Feynriel (who he
knows believes in the Creators) that he hopes the Maker watches over
him; in addition to the religious conversation Hawke can have with
Sebastian. Hawke is written as being religiously Andrastian. I'm not
sure why, when we had a choice to determine whether The Warden believed
in the Maker or not.


Where is the line about "Freedom"? Nowhere: your thesis is clear - Hawke is written to be a religious Andrastian. Not to mention that you've absolutely created a false impression about the scene! Hawke doesn't just blurt our in auto-dialogue that Leandra is with the Maker. You choose "You're right" in response to the phrase "Leandra is in a better place."

Next line:

With the Warden, I have a choice to determine if he believes in the
Maker or not, while Hawke is written to be religiously Andrastian,
regardless of my opinion.


This is not true at all. If your opinion isn't "Merril is right and Leandra is in a better place", then you don't have to pick it!

Look: if you argument was that that the paraphrase was bad, I would disagree with you, but at least I could respect the argument as not being misleading. But that's not what's happening here.

You are not forced to express a religious view. You are forced, if you want to be religious, to be an Andrastian. But this is exactly like DA:O. The human noble cannot express worship of either the ancestors or creators. Ever.

You also miss the point about Hawke explicitly saying he thinks a family
member is with the Maker. Furthermore, there's no reason why the
protagonist needs to be religiously Andrastian.


And once again you make it about being forced to express a religious Andrastian view.

I could go on. Nowhere is there an issue about being forced to be rude, instead. You just brought this up when I demonstrated that you were being intentionally misleading about the scene. making it seem as if there was no choice when there clearly was.

Your rude tone aside, I thought you already played the game. I've discussed this issue previously with people who saw the scene. And posters have complained about Hawke being written as religious Andrastian in other threads; people have addressed their concerns before. I'm sure you've seen the other threads; Xil made a recent thread not too long ago about this issue.

I played the game years ago. How could I possibly remember some irrelevant scene with a single LI when I'm an atheist, and would never in a thousand years pick the line "You're Right" in response to "She's in a better place". The only logical line for me is "You're wrong!" but that isn't an option.

My tone is combatative at this point because you're being quite disrespectful in trying to slink away from your original position.

[TEWR]

Given that the option is you're right, it makes no sense for this paraphrase to lead into "I hope she is." You're right is logically (and gramatically) opposite from that.

you misunderstood. I'm not saying the option should've been paraphrased as  "You're right" and actually said "I hope so". I'm saying would it have been so hard to have options consisting of "You're right", "I hope so", and "What do Dalish believe?", possibly in conjunction with the rude options towards Merrill.

What are the other options? What is the prompt that gives rise to the line? What does Feynriel say before that?

IIRC, Feynriel says "Tell my mother where I'm going" or something like that and the option is "I will", to which Hawke says the line I mentioned.

Or it's autodialogue. Bear in mind I haven't played DAII in many moons now.

Hawke doesn't "bring up the maker." The intent of the line is - Leandra is in a better place. The player brings up the Maker. Hawke is written to be Andrastian, if the player wants Hawke to be religious.

DG has said in the past that you won't find any non-Andrastian humans in Thedas -- barring Qunari Humans, since the Qunari find the concept of gods to be laughable.

He said that atheism was never intended to exist in Thedas and that the presence of the option in the HN origin -- something he wrote -- wasn't something he wanted there, and that it'll never happen again.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:19 .

[In Exile]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
you misunderstood. I'm not saying the option should've been paraphrased as  "You're right" and actually said "I hope so". I'm saying would it have been so hard to have options consisting of "You're right", "I hope so", and "What do Dalish believe?", possibly in conjunction with the rude options towards Merrill.

I'm not disagreeing (well, I actually disagree that Hawke was rude to Merril, but YMMV) with you on the fact that more options would make it better. I'm just saying that the fact that the player has the option to pick you're right doesn't mean that Hawke is an Adrastian - it means that a religious Hawke has to be religiously Andriastian, which is a world of difference. Because being religious is optional, being Andrastian is also optional.

IIRC, Feynriel says "Tell my mother where I'm going" or something like that and the option is "I will", to which Hawke says the line I mentioned.

Or it's autodialogue. Bear in mind I haven't played DAII in many moons now.

No worries. I just wonder if it's not diplo Hawke, because of the combat lines. I think that line is badly paraphrased, but I just wonder if it isn't the auto-dialogue line, because I don't recall getting this scene and "I will" sounds like the kind of paraphrase I would pick.

DG has said in the past that you won't find any non-Andrastian humans in Thedas -- barring Qunari  Humans, since the Qunari find the concept of gods to be laughable.

That's strange - one would imagine you could still find dragon cult worshipers, for example. But DG's word is his word.

He said that atheism was never intended to exist in Thedas and that the presence of the option in the HN origin -- something he wrote -- wasn't something he wanted there, and that it'll never happen again.

I don't recall that post, but what I do recall from the "is the DA:I PC forced to be pro-Chantry" thread was that DA:I won't be written to support an atheist PC, by which DG meant that no one will ensure there is a consistent atheistic tone throughout the game that is supported, but that this doesn't mean that the PC will ever have to express a pro-Chantry view.

I'm going to look up the Sebastian conversation that L mentioned. But so far, DA2 seems to be pretty consistent with the view that Hawke is atheistic at least in the sense that religion is basically an irrelevant question (and not something Hawke concerns himself/herself with at all).

[BerzerkGene]

I kind of hope yo have the option. I liked to do most of the blasphemous options just cause they were hilarious and companion comments on it. like threatening the revered mother in Lothering "Oh we threaten priests now? How fun!"
Then there were little things like taking ogrhen to the Urn of Sacred ashes can make you see the whole thing in a whole different light.

[New Display Name]

I'm going to look up the Sebastian conversation that L mentioned. But so far, DA2 seems to be pretty consistent with the view that Hawke is atheistic at least in the sense that religion is basically an irrelevant question (and not something Hawke concerns himself/herself with at all).

I don't see how that is atheistic.
Many atheists do concern themselves with the question of god or religion.