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[paxxton]

Flog the 63rd wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

this is an epic pyramid developing. It may go to Flog 64 soon, yo

It won't be Flog 64, I need a new way of writing it...

Maybe Flog LXIV?

How about 64th among Flogs?

Modifié par paxxton, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:39 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Well, of course she does. It's very simple.

[Hey]

lol

that may just do it. You obviously aren't a punk ****...

[paxxton]

Flog the 63rd wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Flog the 63rd wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

this is an epic pyramid developing. It may go to Flog 64 soon, yo

It won't be Flog 64, I need a new way of writing it...

Maybe Flog LXIV?

How about 64th among Flogs?

Hmm, well I need to get banned first.....


hmm........


Don't you just HATE ninja stan? He sucks dick.

Haven't had any arguments with him so far but I saw a few threads pacified by his lockdown messages.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:46 .

[paxxton]

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[quote]Eterna5 wrote...

 Yep. Tonight on of my girlfriends came over

*snip*[/quote]
LOL. How many girlfriends do you have?
[/quote]

I think he's either a straight scumbag or a gay stereotype haha, take your pick[/quote]
I'm not actually here to judge him. Maybe all his girlfriends get along nicely.[/quote]

Ummm how many people do you know who actually have more than one girlfriend?

I think it's unlikely haha.

Plus I already know he's gay, so[/quote]
I have no problem with that. But now I know the context and didn't just resort to preemptive judgment. So peace![/quote]

I don't want to post more definitions on here, but maybe I should post the one for 'joke' because you don't seem to understand it


Kiddin


Mayvbe

I don't even know anymore....
[/quote]
 Chill out.

Btw, are you Flog63 posting from a different account?[/quote]

Welll, I used to be Flog61

Then I got banned...

Then I become 'the 62nd Flog'

Then I got banned...

Now I'm Flog the 63rd. Yay.[/quote]
Haha! I had a feeling it was you. Why did you got banned?[/quote]

I can't even remember why.


I'm surprised Ninja Stan even bothers getting off his fat arse to ban me if I can just make a new account anyway
[/quote]
Perhaps banning discourages real spammers who don't want to sign up for another account. Am I right? [/quote]

A true spammer never gives up on spamming, my friend[/quote]
True, I should've written "an amateur troll."

Modifié par paxxton, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:47 .

[Hey]

Flog the 63rd wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

lol

that may just do it. You obviously aren't a punk ****...

What is a punk ****

beyotch.  it was actually meant as a compliment although im pretty sure we may both get banned now
awww. who gives a ****

[Nette]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Yep. Tonight on of my girlfriends came over and I convinced her to play the end of ME3. When the Starkid appeared she said the typical "wut"

 I was sure she would end up being confused by what she said, but I couldn't believe the words that came out of her mouth. She said, and I quote: "Oh I get it, so the Reapers are like fire. They burn away the bigger trees so the smaller trees have a chance to grow".

 I literally laughed out loud and so did she when the Catalyst said his cleansing fire line. She ended up picking synthesis. She said the ending was pretty good, but depressing. 

 So my question is, why cant you guys comprehend the Catalysts logic when a complete newbie to the series can? 

I think this explains it perfectly.



Have her take a look and see if she still likes it.

[Hey]

not terrible. we could just have a bunch of circle mages which would be really borning.

Worse yet, Templars...

[The Spamming Troll]

this topic is one of the reasons i dont like ME3.

dumb + dumb = dumb.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

That's some pretty disturbing head-canon right there.

[liggy002]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Yep. Tonight on of my girlfriends came over and I convinced her to play the end of ME3. When the Starkid appeared she said the typical "wut"

 I was sure she would end up being confused by what she said, but I couldn't believe the words that came out of her mouth. She said, and I quote: "Oh I get it, so the Reapers are like fire. They burn away the bigger trees so the smaller trees have a chance to grow".

 I literally laughed out loud and so did she when the Catalyst said his cleansing fire line. She ended up picking synthesis. She said the ending was pretty good, but depressing. 

 So my question is, why cant you guys comprehend the Catalysts logic when a complete newbie to the series can? 

Oh, I understand it very well.  I just think it's absolute garbage.

[liggy002]

Nette wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 Yep. Tonight on of my girlfriends came over and I convinced her to play the end of ME3. When the Starkid appeared she said the typical "wut"

 I was sure she would end up being confused by what she said, but I couldn't believe the words that came out of her mouth. She said, and I quote: "Oh I get it, so the Reapers are like fire. They burn away the bigger trees so the smaller trees have a chance to grow".

 I literally laughed out loud and so did she when the Catalyst said his cleansing fire line. She ended up picking synthesis. She said the ending was pretty good, but depressing. 

 So my question is, why cant you guys comprehend the Catalysts logic when a complete newbie to the series can? 

I think this explains it perfectly.



Have her take a look and see if she still likes it.

ROFL

[liggy002]

Flog the 63rd wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Flog the 63rd wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

this is an epic pyramid developing. It may go to Flog 64 soon, yo

It won't be Flog 64, I need a new way of writing it...

Maybe Flog LXIV?

How about 64th among Flogs?

Hmm, well I need to get banned first.....


hmm........


Don't you just HATE ninja stan? He sucks dick.

Oh man, this isn't going to end well.... 

[Someone With Mass]

geceka wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Do you know how stupid that notion is?

What a great way to introduce a counter-argument...

It's not certain that every organic race will build synthetics that are capable of "waking up" and the synthetics have nothing to gain on going on a galactic killing spree, unless some really deranged group of people creates a synthetic specifically designed to do so, in which case, they deserve everything they'll get.

See, you can argue over this point of it being certain forever – On one hand, you didn't formulate it correctly: It is not necessary for "every" organic race to build such synthetics, it is sufficient for one organic race to build them. After all, you can't wipe all organics out more than once anyway, can you?

Also, if the "really deranged" race builds them, that doesn't matter at all: If these synthetics wipe out all organics, it really doesn't matter if these organics were just following their "deranged" programming or any other agenda. The organics are gone.

Finally, not a single time in the conversation does the catalyst mention a "killing spree". It only mentions "conflict". "Conflict" includes much more than a "war" – It could also be competition for resources (the Geth were building a Dyson sphere, as an example. With that sphere eclipsing Rannoch's sun, Rannoch is a dead planet, even though that was not the primary intention of the Geth. They just didn't care.). It could also be that the simple state of being the synthetics need is incompatible with organic life: Imagine a synthetic race broadcasting a powerful radiation throughout the galaxy to power its mobile platform, which incidentally also melts all organic matter. It really doesn't matter. You can construct countless scenarios in which an all-powerful synthetic race cleanses the galaxy of organic life as a secondary effect of another agenda they have: It does not need to be a (rational or irrational) war!

There are billions of planets in our galaxy. It'd be economically retarded to go every single one and wipe out all traces of organic life.

First, there's exponential growth: Synthetics are not bound by the slow reproduction cycle of organics – Even if a synthetic race doubles its numbers only once a year (harvesting the necessary resources from the galaxy's planets), there'd be enough of them within 100 years to colonize and (through resource consumption) destroy the entire galaxy – 2^100 is a huge number.

Second, we know that things like "sending a star into supernova" (the Protheans did it according to Javik) or "blowing up a Mass Relay to obliterate entire clusters" (Arrival) are possible. The Crucible affects the entire galaxy in a single "shot". Yet you claim that a synthetic race has to go to every planet to cause havoc?

What you are doing is narrowing down the catalyst's postulation to the most narrow, most contrived interpretation (yeah, like a spaceship going to every single planet to destroy it) and then call the whole thing "stupid". I don't know if this is intentional or not.

Besides, organics are killing themselves all the damn time. In some cases, it's even in their nature to kill other organics.

Fair point, but how is this within the scope of the catalyst's solution? Even if the warring races go to the extremes with one entirely annihilating the other, it means that the winning side persists. Organic life is not threatened by this.

To sum it up, what I personally think to be "short-sighted" (I'm not using "stupid" here) about the catalyst's reasoning is that it hinges so much on synthetics vs. organics, whereas its actual concern is that organics become capable of building something that could potentially threaten the existence of all life in the galaxy. I think the catalyst should rather have argued something like

When a race becomes advanced enough to create technology to affect the entire galaxy, the risk to destroy the galaxy irreversibly becomes apparent. We have witnessed thousands of civilizations meddling with technology they could not wield, destroying their planets, their star systems, their clusters. We cannot let that happen on a galactic scale. Therefore, we harvest every civilization advanced enough to affect the galactic scale. Organics are fallible. Such power in their hands has too much potential for destruction, and we won't let that happen. We harvest the old life to ensure the survival of new life.

That's not so far removed from what's actually happening in the game (I always found the "cleansing fire" analogy and the "remove old life to make room for new life" lines much more interesting than organics vs. synthetics anyway). If that was in the game, the narrative significance of the Rannoch peace is not diminished, and we wouldn't need to argue about whether it is paradigmatic or simply anecdotal.

Since I'm not in the mood for the pointless busywork that is chopping up the comment in different sections and putting the counterargument directly below the paragraph like that which serves no other purpose than to ****** me off, I'll just do a list.

1. Why would synthetics deliberately design their structures to harm others, which only promotes more conflict? The geth started to build their Dyson sphere (which is really inconsistent in its design throughout the games, considering that a Dyson sphere and a Dyson bubble are two similar, but different things with their own side effects) when they thought that the quarians wouldn't return. Even if they had a platform which delivers deadly radiation (must be quite something if it can reach through several light years and still hurt people) they could just move it to a place where there's guaranteed to not be any organics at harm.

2. I didn't say that going from planet to planet was the only option. Even so, blowing up solar systems is still economically stupid, since those planets more than likely have resources, which some synthetics could use to gain more energy or material to improve their design, unless they're in a conflict and resorting to the scorched earth tactic.

3. Why would a synthetic race expand like that? If they have the energy (from a star) and resources to maintain their hardware, there's really no need for them to take over other systems, unless they're in a conflict and need to dramatically increase their numbers. Even in that case, they could draw their resources from metal-rich asteroids, like the geth.

4. It has to be something really important at play if some civilization builds a machine which threatens the entire galaxy, because I like to think that there's no cause without a purpose.

5. There's nothing that says that organic life can't develop after the synthetics for some reason have wiped everything out, since it's not necessarily restricted to our biological knowledge and ways of developing. After all, our life must have started somewhere and somehow, right?

Perhaps there's some irradiated planet which develops a life-form that thrives on radiation (like that fungus they found in Chernobyl's reactor which eats gamma radiation) or adapts to gases that are toxic to others.

6. What's so wrong with simply confronting a civilization about this ominous threat that they're apparently developing without killing them? Or hell, do it before they're starting to do it. If you teach someone the side effects of something (like the whole synthetic debacle) and how to prevent it, maybe they can learn from it.

If they're not listening, bring convincing evidence. Show, don't tell.

Also, even if you force them into a path of developing technology you know all about and can control, there will always be someone outside your little network (like in another galaxy) that'll develop a new form of technology, unless you're omnipresent, which makes you kind of a god and at which point, I don't think anything's more than a slight inconvenience for you.

The difference between killing everyone who's adapted to your wide-spread technology (and then kill the one's who were too primitive but at a time later also adapted to it) and letting something kill everyone all at once is rather...I don't have a good word for it... insignificant? Because you're going to kill everyone anyway and also deny their possibility to flourish.

[paxxton]

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[quote]Eterna5 wrote...

 Yep. Tonight on of my girlfriends came over

*snip*[/quote]
LOL. How many girlfriends do you have?
[/quote]

I think he's either a straight scumbag or a gay stereotype haha, take your pick[/quote]
I'm not actually here to judge him. Maybe all his girlfriends get along nicely.[/quote]

Ummm how many people do you know who actually have more than one girlfriend?

I think it's unlikely haha.

Plus I already know he's gay, so[/quote]
I have no problem with that. But now I know the context and didn't just resort to preemptive judgment. So peace![/quote]

I don't want to post more definitions on here, but maybe I should post the one for 'joke' because you don't seem to understand it


Kiddin


Mayvbe

I don't even know anymore....
[/quote]
 Chill out.

Btw, are you Flog63 posting from a different account?[/quote]

Welll, I used to be Flog61

Then I got banned...

Then I become 'the 62nd Flog'

Then I got banned...

Now I'm Flog the 63rd. Yay.[/quote]
Haha! I had a feeling it was you. Why did you got banned?[/quote]

I can't even remember why.


I'm surprised Ninja Stan even bothers getting off his fat arse to ban me if I can just make a new account anyway
[/quote]
Perhaps banning discourages real spammers who don't want to sign up for another account. Am I right? [/quote]

A true spammer never gives up on spamming, my friend[/quote]
True, I should've written "an amateur troll." [/quote]

Hey, who are you calling 'amateur'?

I, sir, am a professional[/quote]
I wasn't talking about you. You started a fresh account. Even two.  You ain't no troll. You're just a legitimate BSN poster.

[paxxton]

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[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]Eterna5 wrote...

 Yep. Tonight on of my girlfriends came over

*snip*[/quote]
LOL. How many girlfriends do you have?
[/quote]

I think he's either a straight scumbag or a gay stereotype haha, take your pick[/quote]
I'm not actually here to judge him. Maybe all his girlfriends get along nicely.[/quote]

Ummm how many people do you know who actually have more than one girlfriend?

I think it's unlikely haha.

Plus I already know he's gay, so[/quote]
I have no problem with that. But now I know the context and didn't just resort to preemptive judgment. So peace![/quote]

I don't want to post more definitions on here, but maybe I should post the one for 'joke' because you don't seem to understand it


Kiddin


Mayvbe

I don't even know anymore....
[/quote]
 Chill out.

Btw, are you Flog63 posting from a different account?[/quote]

Welll, I used to be Flog61

Then I got banned...

Then I become 'the 62nd Flog'

Then I got banned...

Now I'm Flog the 63rd. Yay.[/quote]
Haha! I had a feeling it was you. Why did you got banned?[/quote]

I can't even remember why.


I'm surprised Ninja Stan even bothers getting off his fat arse to ban me if I can just make a new account anyway
[/quote]
Perhaps banning discourages real spammers who don't want to sign up for another account. Am I right? [/quote]

A true spammer never gives up on spamming, my friend[/quote]
True, I should've written "an amateur troll." [/quote]

Hey, who are you calling 'amateur'?

I, sir, am a professional[/quote]
I wasn't talking about you. You started a fresh account. Even two.  You ain't no troll. You're just a legitimate BSN poster. [/quote]

[/quote]
This pyramid is enormous!