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[Wayning_Star]

Kabraxal wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I understood the premise but I did not believe the galaxy needed a genetic rewrite to solve something that can be avoided through level-headed diplomacy as demonstrated by Shepard.

With EDI and the Geth I believe my Shepard was already making great progress. The only ending that fully preserves Shepard's efforts is the Control ending and not everyone agrees with that option. Hence the backlash.

This.

diplomacy with mother nature? good luck with that..lol

Except the peace with geth and acceptance and love of EDI quite clearly shows coexistence is possible.  Oops.  Mother nature was clearly unreasonable there 

That's it, the interaction of sentience WITH mother nature, and the strife thereof. You see, we don't need technology to exist, only to progress.. to the stars. Then... we get to hob knob with the catalsyt'n stuff.

Why does a plow point dull?

[Taboo]

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

[Wayning_Star]

Taboo-XX wrote...

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

Job? what job..lol

[Eterna]

Taboo-XX wrote...

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

If he sucked at his job organic life would be extinct. His solution, while nt ideal, works. 

[Taboo]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

Job? what job..lol

I'm going to prevent all murder by killing everyone.

Problem audience?

[Taboo]

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

If he sucked at his job organic life would be extinct. His solution, while nt ideal, works. 

He does suck at his job. I'd never argue that his solution didn't work.

[Wayning_Star]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

Job? what job..lol

I'm going to prevent all murder by killing everyone.

Problem audience?

Shep was, er.. 'killed' but then...oh wait?

We don't really get to know what, exactly, the harvest does  or why. Other than to construct reaperships to contain stuff for a future of some kind. Maybe in ME4 we can explore exactly what the Leviathan designed the catalyst to do with it's experimenting?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I understand the Catalyst's logic, just do not agree with him about it.

[Pheonix57]

The answer is in the question: Because she's a newbie to the series.

You could live your entire life in one house, and that house will be filled with memories and wonderful things, but when a construction manager comes a long and decides to build a new mini-mall, he won't see those things. He'll only see how his idea is the best for "everyone".

So who is right? Both. You want your house, he wants his mini-mall, and both of you believe you are right. But the point is, the construction manager will never see that house the way the home owner does, and vice-versa.

Argument end.

Modifié par Pheonix57, 01 janvier 2013 - 08:18 .

[Wayning_Star]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

If he sucked at his job organic life would be extinct. His solution, while nt ideal, works. 

He does suck at his job. I'd never argue that his solution didn't work.

from the backlash on the BSN I'd beg to differ on the opinion of what 'works' represents...

[Taboo]

The harvest prevents a hypothetical issue. It is a blunt, cold, machine response. It MUST fulfill it's duties.

If he can't make peace he'll wipe them all out to prevent the issue he was programmed to prevent.

[Eterna]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

Job? what job..lol

I'm going to prevent all murder by killing everyone.

Problem audience?

He doesn't kill everyone though. A more fair comparisson is saying "I'm going to kill a few of you so everyone can survive."

Modifié par Eterna5, 01 janvier 2013 - 08:18 .

[Taboo]

Eterna5 wrote...

He doesn't kill everyone though. A more fair comparisson is saying "I'm going to kill a few of you so everyone can survive."

True but how long until those who are spared are wiped out? Humans were spared in Javik's cycle and were being harvested the next.

It's like a perverse version of the Lion King's Circle of Life.

"MORE TO DO THAN CAN EVER BE DONE."

[Wayning_Star]

Pheonix57 wrote...

The answer is in the question: Because she's a newbie to the series.

You could live your entire life in one house, and that house will be filled with memories and wonderful things, but when a construction manager comes a long and decides to build a new mini-mall, he won't see those things. He'll only see how his idea is the best for "everyone".

So who is right? Both. You want your house, he wants his mini-mall, and both of you believe you are right. But the point is, the construction manager will never see that house the way the home owner does, and vice-versa.

Argument end.

interesting but incomplete association. We don't know if the harvested have memories. We seem to be informed that the reaperships contain their respective intellect and DNA for some undisclosed purposes. To some extent, the harvested ends up being a reapership, that is, nations independent... what ever that means?!?

[ElementL09]

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

Job? what job..lol

I'm going to prevent all murder by killing everyone.

Problem audience?

He doesn't kill everyone though. A more fair comparisson is saying "I'm going to kill a few of you so everyone can survive."

I thought it was, I'm going to kill most of you so a small fraction can survive.

[Wayning_Star]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

He doesn't kill everyone though. A more fair comparisson is saying "I'm going to kill a few of you so everyone can survive."

True but how long until those who are spared are wiped out? Humans were spared in Javik's cycle and were being harvested the next.

It's like a perverse version of the Lion King's Circle of Life.

"MORE TO DO THAN CAN EVER BE DONE."

saving a universe is hard work!!

[Almostfaceman]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

He doesn't kill everyone though. A more fair comparisson is saying "I'm going to kill a few of you so everyone can survive."

True but how long until those who are spared are wiped out? Humans were spared in Javik's cycle and were being harvested the next.

It's like a perverse version of the Lion King's Circle of Life.

"MORE TO DO THAN CAN EVER BE DONE."

Correct, in the end all life as we know it dies in the cycles. It's counter-evolutionary. It's a revolving door process that constantly throws the baby out with the bath water. 

[Eterna]

ElementL09 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

Job? what job..lol

I'm going to prevent all murder by killing everyone.

Problem audience?

He doesn't kill everyone though. A more fair comparisson is saying "I'm going to kill a few of you so everyone can survive."

I thought it was, I'm going to kill most of you so a small fraction can survive.

Space faring organic life is a minority. 

[Wayning_Star]

ElementL09 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

Job? what job..lol

I'm going to prevent all murder by killing everyone.

Problem audience?

He doesn't kill everyone though. A more fair comparisson is saying "I'm going to kill a few of you so everyone can survive."

I thought it was, I'm going to kill most of you so a small fraction can survive.

the majority is apparently harvested, a small percentage are capable of resistence. If you consider being harvested as being killed, that is completely gone from the scene, then you're correct to assume that. But the story concludes that harves isn't dieing per se. Just changing. Why it's that way is unknown?

[Almostfaceman]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Pheonix57 wrote...

The answer is in the question: Because she's a newbie to the series.

You could live your entire life in one house, and that house will be filled with memories and wonderful things, but when a construction manager comes a long and decides to build a new mini-mall, he won't see those things. He'll only see how his idea is the best for "everyone".

So who is right? Both. You want your house, he wants his mini-mall, and both of you believe you are right. But the point is, the construction manager will never see that house the way the home owner does, and vice-versa.

Argument end.

interesting but incomplete association. We don't know if the harvested have memories. We seem to be informed that the reaperships contain their respective intellect and DNA for some undisclosed purposes. To some extent, the harvested ends up being a reapership, that is, nations independent... what ever that means?!?

It's meaningless to us since our life, our species, as we know it, ceases to exist. We have no way to quanitfy or evaluate this other supposed form of being that seems in the end in essence a very efficient killing tool in the hands of a insane A.I.

[Eterna]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

He doesn't kill everyone though. A more fair comparisson is saying "I'm going to kill a few of you so everyone can survive."

True but how long until those who are spared are wiped out? Humans were spared in Javik's cycle and were being harvested the next.

It's like a perverse version of the Lion King's Circle of Life.

"MORE TO DO THAN CAN EVER BE DONE."

That's why it's an imperfect solution. The catalysts methods pretty much imply that some organic lif is better than no organic life. 

[SlottsMachine]

What's the point of the OP again? We all understood this way back in ME1.

[Taboo]

Eterna5 wrote...

That's why it's an imperfect solution. The catalysts methods pretty much imply that some organic lif is better than no organic life. 

And this is why he sucks at his job. He has taken in no new variables for millions of years.

He's shocked when Shepard shows up.

He made a Homer Simpson solution to the problem and sat on his ass for millions of years.

[Eterna]

Wayning_Star wrote...

ElementL09 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

All I've really learned is that we shouldn't be experimenting with mutagens.

The Catalyst just really sucks at his job.

Job? what job..lol

I'm going to prevent all murder by killing everyone.

Problem audience?

He doesn't kill everyone though. A more fair comparisson is saying "I'm going to kill a few of you so everyone can survive."

I thought it was, I'm going to kill most of you so a small fraction can survive.

the majority is apparently harvested, a small percentage are capable of resistence. If you consider being harvested as being killed, that is completely gone from the scene, then you're correct to assume that. But the story concludes that harves isn't dieing per se. Just changing. Why it's that way is unknown?

You guys do realize organic life is more than just intelligent beings in space? Even after harvesting all space faring organic life you've only killed about 20 or so species. Killing them hardly puts a dent in organi life. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 01 janvier 2013 - 08:30 .

[Wayning_Star]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Pheonix57 wrote...

The answer is in the question: Because she's a newbie to the series.

You could live your entire life in one house, and that house will be filled with memories and wonderful things, but when a construction manager comes a long and decides to build a new mini-mall, he won't see those things. He'll only see how his idea is the best for "everyone".

So who is right? Both. You want your house, he wants his mini-mall, and both of you believe you are right. But the point is, the construction manager will never see that house the way the home owner does, and vice-versa.

Argument end.

interesting but incomplete association. We don't know if the harvested have memories. We seem to be informed that the reaperships contain their respective intellect and DNA for some undisclosed purposes. To some extent, the harvested ends up being a reapership, that is, nations independent... what ever that means?!?

It's meaningless to us since our life, our species, as we know it, ceases to exist. We have no way to quanitfy or evaluate this other supposed form of being that seems in the end in essence a very efficient killing tool in the hands of a insane A.I.

well, if you take old earth history as sign posts, then many died to permit other to exist, as is. Change isn't death apparently? IN the MEU reality, death is quite fanfictional and kind of abstract.