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My friend who has never played Mass Effect before understands the Catalysts Logic.


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Jade8aby88 wrote...

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Interesting. Where is your proof that this peace will last forever? 


thats not how it works. The game specifically stated that they are at race. You are the one suggesting it being last. Burden f roof falls on you to prove it won't, which you have failed to do so.


It does? Where?

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Your being a tad dumb. There is no event of a Synthetic race completely wiping out all organics because if that was the case the Catalyst would have failed in its purpose. 

Good, we're making progress, we've actually established that holo-****** is just making sh*t up :P

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When you make the peace on rannoch..........

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Versus Omnibus wrote...

I'm not saying it's the best solution; I'm just saying I understand what he was trying to do.


Oh, I do as well. It's actually pretty simple.

It's just that it's not worth any praise whatsoever, since the intent and the execution were so far apart from each other.

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frudi wrote...

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Interesting. Where is your proof that this peace will last forever? 

In la-la land, playing checkers with your proof of how synthetics will inevitably wipe out all organics...


I don't need to prove it.  The Catalyst even says he was programmed by those who believed extinction from Synthetics was inevitable. The occurences of Synthetice rebelling against their creators is enough to justify his creators ideals and logic. 

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frudi wrote...

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Your being a tad dumb. There is no event of a Synthetic race completely wiping out all organics because if that was the case the Catalyst would have failed in its purpose. 

Good, we're making progress, we've actually established that holo-****** is just making sh*t up :P


No, he is following his programming. He fully believes it to be the case. 

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For clarity, screw iPhones.

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Interesting. Where is your proof that this peace will last forever? 


thats not how it works. The game specifically stated that they are at peace. You are the one suggesting it wont last. Burden of proof falls on you to prove it won't, which you have failed to do so.

@zecollectordestroya. If you honestly expect me to read your posts when you include veiled insults you can go jump.



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Nothing lasts forever, but noting is certain because of simple implications either.

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Eterna5 wrote...

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Bottom line, the Reapers use organics by turning them into goo to make more Reapers, the villain of any story will tell the hero whatever helps his cause, usually by lying. It'd be hard to find a villain that doesn't do that.

The cycles are Reaper reproduction, nothing more.


With the intent of preserving organic life. 


Ah yes, "preserving organic life"; we have dismissed that claim.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

When you make the peace on rannoch..........


I don't recall anyone saying "This peace will last forever and always!"

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Have you ever heard of the if-then fallacies?

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The catalyst never gives it a chance, it's 50,000 or so and done - peace out homies!
He should let it go several cycles if he wants to see if it really is inev... stupid dummy

Modifié par Festae9, 01 janvier 2013 - 11:44 .


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Eterna5 wrote...

frudi wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Interesting. Where is your proof that this peace will last forever? 

In la-la land, playing checkers with your proof of how synthetics will inevitably wipe out all organics...


I don't need to prove it.  The Catalyst even says he was programmed by those who believed extinction from Synthetics was inevitable. The occurences of Synthetice rebelling against their creators is enough to justify his creators ideals and logic. 


 you don't think that had anything to do with the creators being indoctrinated thrills that the created viewed as evil beings in the first place?

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BleedingUranium wrote...

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Bottom line, the Reapers use organics by turning them into goo to make more Reapers, the villain of any story will tell the hero whatever helps his cause, usually by lying. It'd be hard to find a villain that doesn't do that.

The cycles are Reaper reproduction, nothing more.


With the intent of preserving organic life. 


Ah yes, "preserving organic life"; we have dismissed that claim.


Not really. The Synthesis epilogue even proves that past civilizations were in fact preserved. 

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I'm not saying it's the best solution; I'm just saying I understand what he was trying to do.

Well I understand what Hitler was trying to do... so where does that leave us?

blah, blah, Godwin's law, blah blah... it's irrelevant, holo-****** was orders of magnitude worse than Hitler, it's not even a fair comparison

Modifié par frudi, 01 janvier 2013 - 11:45 .


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Ok, so let's say it isn't inevitable. There's still a possibility which increases exponentially as synthetics become more advanced and continue to outpace organics, which given more time to do, they will. MAYBE it'll all work out fine and they'll be our benevolent overlords and trusty companions, maybe it won't.

For me the ending boils down to whether or not I'm willing to take that gamble; control is playing it safe whilst destroy is choosing to go it alone without the safety net of the reapers and hope for the best.

Synthesis is well...yeah.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

frudi wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Interesting. Where is your proof that this peace will last forever? 

In la-la land, playing checkers with your proof of how synthetics will inevitably wipe out all organics...


I don't need to prove it.  The Catalyst even says he was programmed by those who believed extinction from Synthetics was inevitable. The occurences of Synthetice rebelling against their creators is enough to justify his creators ideals and logic. 


 you don't think that had anything to do with the creators being indoctrinated thrills that the created viewed as evil beings in the first place?


I don't get what you're saying. 

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Eterna5 wrote...

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Eterna5 wrote...

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Bottom line, the Reapers use organics by turning them into goo to make more Reapers, the villain of any story will tell the hero whatever helps his cause, usually by lying. It'd be hard to find a villain that doesn't do that.

The cycles are Reaper reproduction, nothing more.


With the intent of preserving organic life. 


Ah yes, "preserving organic life"; we have dismissed that claim.


Not really. The Synthesis epilogue even proves that past civilizations were in fact preserved. 


Suuuuuuure it does Image IPB

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Good, we're making progress, we've actually established that holo-****** is just making sh*t up :P

No, he is following his programming. He fully believes it to be the case. 

Saying "he's programmed that way" does not exempt his logic from being flawed. In fact, logic errors are one of the three type of programming erros... here we have a perfect example of it :P

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Eterna5 wrote...

Not really. The Synthesis epilogue even proves that past civilizations were in fact preserved. 


Impossible, at least for Humans, as melting them down to liquid components destroys the very life of that creature, just keeping organic slush inside a killer robot doesn't preserve life, it's both logically and scientificly false.

Lastly what do you think what happens when Reapers geth blown up by Dreadnoughts in space?

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Festae9 wrote...

The catalyst never gives it a chance, it's 50,000 or so and done - peace out homies!
He should let it go several cycles if he wants to see if it really is inev... stupid dummy


Several cycles is more than enough time for a synthetic creation to advance far beyond organic capabilities, perhaps even reaper.  AI don't take chances. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 01 janvier 2013 - 11:49 .


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Eterna5 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

When you make the peace on rannoch..........


I don't recall anyone saying "This peace will last forever and always!"


I don't recall anything hinting that the geth will revert back to their state where they're killing any organic in sight either.

That is, anything worth paying attention to.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 01 janvier 2013 - 11:49 .


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Someone With Mass wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

When you make the peace on rannoch..........


I don't recall anyone saying "This peace will last forever and always!"


I don't recall anything hinting that the geth will revert back to their state where they're killing any organic in sight either.

That is, anything worth paying attention to.


And? It is open ended, you can't say one way or the other. 

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Eterna5 wrote...

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The catalyst never gives it a chance, it's 50,000 or so and done - peace out homies!
He should let it go several cycles if he wants to see if it really is inev... stupid dummy


Several cycles is more than enough time for a synthetic creation to advance far beyond organic capabilities, perhaps even reaper. 


So programs are strict, I know.  Plus he seems like a rigid little **** as well.  Maybe thats it.  He just ****ing sucks?

Otherwise he would just lay back in the cut and observe. no?

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Someone With Mass wrote...

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I'm not saying it's the best solution; I'm just saying I understand what he was trying to do.


Oh, I do as well. It's actually pretty simple.

It's just that it's not worth any praise whatsoever, since the intent and the execution were so far apart from each other.


Agreed.