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[Eterna]

Fixers0 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Not really. The Synthesis epilogue even proves that past civilizations were in fact preserved. 

Impossible, at least for Humans, as melting them down to liquid components destroys the very life of that creature, just keeping organic slush inside a killer robot doesn't preserve life, it's both logically and scientificly false.

Lastly what do you think what happens when Reapers geth blown up by Dreadnoughts in space?

The reaper form preserves the culture and genetic information, it does not preserve individuals. 

[Someone With Mass]

Eterna5 wrote...

Several cycles is more than enough time for a synthetic creation to advance far beyond organic capabilities, perhaps even reaper.  AI don't take chances. 

Invalid, due to Shepard.

[BleedingUranium]

Eterna5 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

When you make the peace on rannoch..........

I don't recall anyone saying "This peace will last forever and always!"

I don't recall anything hinting that the geth will revert back to their state where they're killing any organic in sight either.

That is, anything worth paying attention to.

And? It is open ended, you can't say one way or the other. 

Yes you can, it's called implication and probability. Using your logic, I could say that as soon as the war's over the Keepers decide to kill all the Hanar.

[Eterna]

frudi wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Not really. The Synthesis epilogue even proves that past civilizations were in fact preserved. 

It does no such thing. If anything was preserved it was some of their knowledge. The individual sentient beings that made up those civilisations are well and truly dead.

And it's honestly shocking, that people are willing to justify mass genocide with a dismissive "ah, they wrote some sh*t down, that will be preserved at least"

The culture and genetic make up of the species is preserved. In a way the species and everything it was lives on. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 01 janvier 2013 - 11:54 .

[BleedingUranium]

frudi wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Not really. The Synthesis epilogue even proves that past civilizations were in fact preserved. 

It does no such thing. If anything was preserved it was some of their knowledge. The individual sentient beings that made up those civilisations are well and truly dead.

And it's honestly shocking, that people are willing to justify mass genocide with a dismissive "ah, they wrote some sh*t down, that will be preserved at least"

Indeed. The most you could say is that the Reapers are giant wikipedias, except you have to kill the entire species to create it. I think our current methods of preserving such information might be slightly more efficient.

[BleedingUranium]

Eterna5 wrote...

frudi wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Not really. The Synthesis epilogue even proves that past civilizations were in fact preserved. 

It does no such thing. If anything was preserved it was some of their knowledge. The individual sentient beings that made up those civilisations are well and truly dead.

And it's honestly shocking, that people are willing to justify mass genocide with a dismissive "ah, they wrote some sh*t down, that will be preserved at least"

The culture and genetic make up of the species is preserved. In a way that species and everything it was lives on.

Sure. In the same way taking a picture of me means I'll live forever. Also, the act of taking said picture will kill me.

What a great system

[Eterna]

BleedingUranium wrote...

frudi wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Not really. The Synthesis epilogue even proves that past civilizations were in fact preserved. 

It does no such thing. If anything was preserved it was some of their knowledge. The individual sentient beings that made up those civilisations are well and truly dead.

And it's honestly shocking, that people are willing to justify mass genocide with a dismissive "ah, they wrote some sh*t down, that will be preserved at least"

Indeed. The most you could say is that the Reapers are giant wikipedias, except you have to kill the entire species to create it. I think our current methods of preserving such information might be slightly more efficient.

Individuals are irrelevant. The point is, the genetic material of the species still exists. Thus that species is preserved. 

[Fixers0]

Eterna5 wrote...

The reaper form preserves the culture and genetic information, it does not preserve individuals. 

Once more this is impossible, as culture can't be contained within Human liquid components, it's just scientificly impossible, lastly it doesn't preseve life, as Catalyst claims, not just because they're nothing more but slush. but because he leaves them vunerable to conventional weaponry, A seriously flawed solution.

Modifié par Fixers0, 01 janvier 2013 - 11:59 .

[Andromidius]

Eterna5 wrote...
 So my question is, why cant you guys comprehend the Catalysts logic when a complete newbie to the series can? 

Because she didn't.  She doesn't know anything about the game or the themes present throughout the entire game.

That's like showing someone the end of Fight Club but never explaining to them what was going on beforehand.

Plus the 'Catalysts' logic is circular and demonstrably false.  You'd need to understand the story to see that.

[Eterna]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

frudi wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Not really. The Synthesis epilogue even proves that past civilizations were in fact preserved. 

It does no such thing. If anything was preserved it was some of their knowledge. The individual sentient beings that made up those civilisations are well and truly dead.

And it's honestly shocking, that people are willing to justify mass genocide with a dismissive "ah, they wrote some sh*t down, that will be preserved at least"

The culture and genetic make up of the species is preserved. In a way that species and everything it was lives on.

Sure. In the same way taking a picture of me means I'll live forever. Also, the act of taking said picture will kill me.

What a great system

It is not like that at all. 

[Ieldra]

d-boy15 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yeah. That must be why I get the impression some people here use "It makes no sense" as a synonym for "I don't like it". 

or may be some people here also use "It makes sense" as a synonym for "I like the ending". 

Some, perhaps. Not me though. I like Synthesis in spite of a few things that make no sense at all, such as Shepard's sacrifice with the implied vitalism and the line about the "new DNA" (which I treat as a metaphor) and the final evolution (which doesn't exist).

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Interesting. Where is your proof that this peace will last forever? 

thats not how it works. The game specifically stated that they are at race. You are the one suggesting it being last. Burden of proof falls on you to prove it won't, which you have failed to do so.

@zecollectordestroya. If you honestly expect me to read your posts when you include veiled insults you can go jump.

You might as well have a sign saying "I'm a Bio drone who doesn't have any points to make, so I'm going to call you out for insulting me, by insulting you."

At least tell me why I am incorrect. You're just as bad as the writers of ME3. They won't respond to tell you why what and where. Hypocrite!

[Jadebaby]

Eterna5 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

 you don't think that had anything to do with the creators being indoctrinated thralls that the created viewed as evil beings in the first place?

I don't get what you're saying. 

better? The problem with comparing what happened in the leviathans cycle with this cycle is that people aren't enthral led by the leviathans so who's to say those original synthetics didn't rebel simply because they felt threatened by organics because they weren't really themselves?

i mean, leviathan enthralment isn't exactly subtle. We all saw how they were at T-GES mineral works. Can you imagine waking up to a world like that?

[Hey]

"Reapers, I monkey flip 'em with the funky rhythm
I be kickin', musician, inflictin' composition
Of pain I'm like Scarface sniffin cocaine
Holding an M-16, see with the pen I'm extreme, now
Bullet holes left in my peepholes, I'm suited up in street clothes
Hand me a nine and I'll defeat foe Explains.."

[Someone With Mass]

Eterna5 wrote...
The culture and genetic make up of the species is preserved. In a way the species and everything it was lives on. 

The information lives on, but the species doesn't, since the process that gives the Reapers that information also kills the species, reducing it to a very basic genetic component.

Also, what about databanks containing information about a species' society? Were they preserved as well?

The quarians lost almost every trace of their old society and religion when the geth destroyed their databanks. 

[Eterna]

Fixers0 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The reaper form preserves the culture and genetic information, it does not preserve individuals. 

Once more this is impossible, as culture can't be contained within Human liquid components, it's just scientificly impossible, lastly it doesn't presever life, as Catalyst claims, not just because they're nothing more but slush. but because he leaves them vunerable to conventional weaponry, A seriously flawed solution.

"were once they threatened us with extinction, they now bring us the collective knowledge of the cultures that came before"

I'm getting tired of people stomping their feet in denial when it is clearly presented in game. 

[Fixers0]

Eterna5 wrote...
"were once they threatened us with extinction, they now bring us the collective knowledge of the cultures that came before"

Scientificly impossible, it's BS of the highest possible order.

Eterna5 wrote...
I'm getting tired of people stomping their feet in denial when it is clearly presented in game. 

 because most people are smarter then just plainly accepeting bad writing?

Modifié par Fixers0, 01 janvier 2013 - 12:07 .

[Eterna]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

 you don't think that had anything to do with the creators being indoctrinated thralls that the created viewed as evil beings in the first place?

I don't get what you're saying. 

better? The problem with comparing what happened in the leviathans cycle with this cycle is that people aren't enthral led by the leviathans so who's to say those original synthetics didn't rebel simply because they felt threatened by organics because they weren't really themselves?

i mean, leviathan enthralment isn't exactly subtle. We all saw how they were at T-GES mineral works. Can you imagine waking up to a world like that?

If the organics had no freedom and control over their own lives the Leviathan could have simply ordered them to stop making Synthetics. It implies that although they were slaves, they weren't being controlled. 

[Jadebaby]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

You might as well have a sign saying "I'm a Bio drone who doesn't have any points to make, so I'm going to call you out for insulting me, by insulting you."

At least tell me why I am incorrect. You're just as bad as the writers of ME3. They won't respond to tell you why what and where. Hypocrite!

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Did I just get called a bio drone?? LOL wow this is funny!

also, I never insulted you, I simply told you where to stick it if you're intent on insulting me. But at least we can both agree on that.

so no, I'm not a hypocrite..

lol a bio drone.... Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!,!,!

[Zardoc]

"logic"

[Eterna]

Fixers0 wrote...

Scientificly impossible, it's BS of the highest possible order.

So are Biotics, I don;t see you stomping your feet in outrage over that. 

[Dr_Extrem]

Eterna5 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The reaper form preserves the culture and genetic information, it does not preserve individuals. 

Once more this is impossible, as culture can't be contained within Human liquid components, it's just scientificly impossible, lastly it doesn't presever life, as Catalyst claims, not just because they're nothing more but slush. but because he leaves them vunerable to conventional weaponry, A seriously flawed solution.

"were once they threatened us with extinction, they now bring us the collective knowledge of the cultures that came before"

I'm getting tired of people stomping their feet in denial when it is clearly presented in game. 

the more important question is:

do the reapers still evolve interlectually or are they in some kind of interlecltal stasis? .. not able to evolve beyond their current borders.

this bugs me.

[Eterna]

frudi wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
The culture and genetic make up of the species is preserved. In a way the species and everything it was lives on. 

Eterna5 wrote...
Individuals are irrelevant. The point is, the genetic material of the species still exists. Thus that species is preserved. 

Again, absolutely shocking, justifying murder because the murderer happened to take the victim's diary and a cheek swab... this is hardcore psychopathic logic here, and I'm not actually trolling or joking here

Where the **** did I say it was justified?