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[ziloe]

 I just read this article, and I don't really see the big deal with this scene. Sure it dealt with a bigger concept of the afterlife, but when the ending choice of Control, implies that Shepard essentially just became a god, what is so blasphemous about this discussion between crew members? Everyone who picked Ashley, knew she was religious, and that was perfectly okay. Just because someone is now spacefaring, and meets aliens, doesn't mean their belief in a higher power has to end. Just look at Thane, for another example.

Either way, I think this was really handled quite tactfully, and it wasn't blatantly in your face about it, like some seem to have implied. So for it to be removed, it was kind of unfortunate.

attackofthefanboy.com/news/deleted-scene-mass-effect-3/

((Discuss))

Modifié par ziloe, 01 janvier 2013 - 05:52 .

[Yate]

should've been in

[Xellith]

I dont see any reason that this was cut other than Bioware was afraid of backlash and so decided to comprimise their artistic vision in order to ensure it didnt come back to bite them in the ass.

But that's just my interpretation of the situation.

Its not like religious themes are absent from the ME universe.  I definitely think that if this would have been kept in the game then it should have had dialogue wheel options and not just been autodialogue however.  The script as it is... its a little retarded if thats not what you personally went through.

Modifié par Xellith, 01 janvier 2013 - 06:00 .

[ruggly]

that really should've been kept in. I'm not religious myself, but it doesn't bother me in the least.

[Andrew Waples]

 this was discussed in me1 was it not? more or less it was cut out because they already talked about it,

[Barquiel]

I don't think this scene was in the leaked script either. Are you sure this is legit?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Why do I remember seeing this?

must be youtube.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 01 janvier 2013 - 05:59 .

[dreamgazer]

Yeah, it was an interesting bit of character development that kinda-sorta tied back to the conversation in ME1. It's a shame it was left on the cutting-room floor, and that's coming from someone who's neither religious nor much of an Ashley fan.

[Xellith]

eaglefan129 wrote...

 this was discussed in me1 was it not? more or less it was cut out because they already talked about it,

They talked about shepards death which occured in ME2 in ME1?  News to me.

[Andrew Waples]

Xellith wrote...

eaglefan129 wrote...

 this was discussed in me1 was it not? more or less it was cut out because they already talked about it,

They talked about shepards death which occured in ME2 in ME1?  News to me.

the afterlife business and "where you go when you die" in me1 when u talk to ashley

Modifié par eaglefan129, 01 janvier 2013 - 06:00 .

[ziloe]

eaglefan129 wrote...

Xellith wrote...

eaglefan129 wrote...

 this was discussed in me1 was it not? more or less it was cut out because they already talked about it,

They talked about shepards death which occured in ME2 in ME1?  News to me.

the afterlife business and "where you go when you die" in me1 when u talk to ashley

No, I don't recall this at all. And I literally just replayed the whole series very recently. Also, even if that were the case, she'd still be looking for answers, regardless. The dude died. Someone had to ask.

Modifié par ziloe, 01 janvier 2013 - 06:07 .

[Undead Han]

There are some questions as to whether or not this is legit. As noted earlier in the thread, there is no version of this conversation in the leaked scripts.

If it is legit however, and that is a big if, it would be a crime that it was cut. Considering how silent Ashley is after rejoining the Normandy, the character could have certainly used it.

[Omega Torsk]

I like the scene, but I have a hard time believing that it's legit.

No choices, whatsoever. It just reads like a fanfiction, which it probably is.

I do wish that they would've touched more on Ash's beliefs in ME3, though.

[jtav]

It's in the leaked script. I just pulled it up.

[NRieh]

No, I don't recall this at all. And I literally just replayed the whole series very recently.

In ME1 you have a chance to talk about her dad's death (Tennyson poem dialogue, afair). It has a chat about afterlife and being religious.

Modifié par Nrieh, 01 janvier 2013 - 06:31 .

[Gervaise]

If it is genuine, they probably realised that there was going to be a problem with this because some Shepards in ME1 said they did believe in god and some didn't. The former would probably be more bothered about the blackness than the latter but it really sets up all sorts of problems if they stick to that line. It is enough that they confirmed that Shepard was clinically brain dead, which raises doubts over how exactly he was brought back, without throwing the spiritual element into the mix as well. If Shepard was brain dead, then all the thoughts and memories should have been gone, just like if an AI is reset to standard after being switched off. If that didn't happen then that implies there is more to the human mind than simply a set of electrical impulses, etc, etc. They probably realised that would lead to just too much debate, particularly of the religious kind, which is off limits.

[Undead Han]

Gervaise wrote...

If it is genuine, they probably realised that there was going to be a problem with this because some Shepards in ME1 said they did believe in god and some didn't. The former would probably be more bothered about the blackness than the latter but it really sets up all sorts of problems if they stick to that line. It is enough that they confirmed that Shepard was clinically brain dead, which raises doubts over how exactly he was brought back, without throwing the spiritual element into the mix as well. If Shepard was brain dead, then all the thoughts and memories should have been gone, just like if an AI is reset to standard after being switched off. If that didn't happen then that implies there is more to the human mind than simply a set of electrical impulses, etc, etc. They probably realised that would lead to just too much debate, particularly of the religious kind, which is off limits.

*If* the scene is genuine, I think it would be sad if it were cut for those reasons.

After all the scene isn't preachy and doesn't take a position on whether or not there is a God or an afterlife. Ashley asks the big question, and gets an "I don't know" for an answer.

[Steelcan]

Can I put down her superstitious nonsense once and for all? If not, then I don't care.

[Iakus]

 It's legit. And it really should have been in the game. Ash has so little dialogue post Citadel coup.

And I don't think it would have tirred up too much controversey, becaue it looks like the answers are palying out

1) Shepard saw something but doesn't remember much beyond the Cerberus lab ('The truth is.., I don't remember much")
2) Shepard saw nothing ("to tell the truth, I don't remember anything")
3) Shepard refuses to answer. ("Even with my experience, I shouldn't be answering questions about your beliefs")

All bases are covered and no particular afterlife gets endorsed.

Modifié par iakus, 01 janvier 2013 - 07:00 .

[Steelcan]

In all the controversy the game called, I think a scene that has religion in it would be pretty much ignored.

[fiendishchicken]

I would have loved to have shat on her once and for all doing that.

I just wish it didn't have to be romance specific (It looks like a romance).

This explains why Kaidan got a cool scene with Shepard talking about the nature of Cerberus and TIM, but why Ashley gets nothing. Idc in the long run, I either kill her (Virmire or coup) or give her to Hackett.

[The Spamming Troll]

we can cause galactic extinction in refuse ending but we cant talk about religion?

we can become god in control ending but cant talk about religion?

we can punch a space monkey in the face in ME2 but we cant talk about religion?

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 01 janvier 2013 - 07:06 .

[SpamBot2000]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

we can cause galactic extinction but we cant talk about religion?

It's almost as bad as showering without underwear.

[Wayning_Star]

its fanon.. sorry. you can tell by the way it's presented and those stills are from other segements.

It is interesting biowarea didn't explore the moola moola more tho.. it's actually part of the gist of paddling out of the maze. You see, nature is the mystery and organics tends to wonder why. In the story, even the geth seem to wonder why they even built their own machine planetisimal to hide out from the MEU to explore 'inner spaces'.

We're all just assorted molecules, apparently.

 

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 01 janvier 2013 - 07:08 .

[fiendishchicken]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

we can cause galactic extinction in refuse ending but we cant talk about religion?

we can become god in control ending but cant talk about religion?

we can punch a space monkey in the face in ME2 but we cant talk about religion?

We can tip a stripper but we can't talk about religion?

We can show partial nudity but we can't talk about religion?

We can let people die in pursuit of a mission but we can't talk about religion?

We can talk about religion with Ashley in the first game, but we can't talk about religion in the third?