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[samgurl775]

I really like that conversation. I honestly don't think it's as religious in nature as her ME1 talks were, they should have kept it.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Backslash from religious nutjobs.

[SpamBot2000]

Of the imaginary kind? Somehow I can't see that conversation causing major panic in houses of worship.

They probably cut it to make more room for the catalyst's 'Yo dawg' lecture.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 01 janvier 2013 - 08:52 .

[Rifneno]

You know what would've really pissed them off? If the Reapers turned her atheist.

I mean seriously. They'd turn me atheist. I know man has committed some pretty bad crimes, but the Reapers? What the hell kind of deity lets these things exist?

[SpamBot2000]

Rifneno wrote...

You know what would've really pissed them off? If the Reapers turned her atheist.

I mean seriously. They'd turn me atheist. I know man has committed some pretty bad crimes, but the Reapers? What the hell kind of deity lets these things exist?

The kind that you can turn into at the end of ME3.

[Zardoc]

Rifneno wrote...

You know what would've really pissed them off? If the Reapers turned her atheist.

I mean seriously. They'd turn me atheist. I know man has committed some pretty bad crimes, but the Reapers? What the hell kind of deity lets these things exist?

Zeus. He prolly created them in the first place. That dick.

Modifié par Zardoc, 01 janvier 2013 - 09:01 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Zardoc wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

You know what would've really pissed them off? If the Reapers turned her atheist.

I mean seriously. They'd turn me atheist. I know man has committed some pretty bad crimes, but the Reapers? What the hell kind of deity lets these things exist?

Zeus. He prolly created them in the first place. That dick.

[Rifneno]

Zardoc wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

You know what would've really pissed them off? If the Reapers turned her atheist.

I mean seriously. They'd turn me atheist. I know man has committed some pretty bad crimes, but the Reapers? What the hell kind of deity lets these things exist?

Zeus. He prolly created them in the first place. That dick.

Nonsense.  Everyone knows Zeus is too busy getting laid to do any real harm.

[Zardoc]

Rifneno wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

You know what would've really pissed them off? If the Reapers turned her atheist.

I mean seriously. They'd turn me atheist. I know man has committed some pretty bad crimes, but the Reapers? What the hell kind of deity lets these things exist?

Zeus. He prolly created them in the first place. That dick.

Nonsense.  Everyone knows Zeus is too busy getting laid to do any real harm.

The Reapers are most likely the result of one of his one night stands. Don't wanna know what the mom looks like.

[katamuro]

I think I saw it on youtube or somewhere else a couple of months ago. But yeah I agree the scene would have been quite nice in ME3.

[JBPBRC]

Ashley's deleted scene? Pffft.

I'd personally care more about Anderson's cut dialogue at the end.

[DeinonSlayer]

If it was all autodialogue I could see some people taking issue with it (plus it would be a very long scene). Like the first brush with Ashley's religious beliefs in ME1, this is the kind of conversation where dialogue choices are a must. It probably should have been included in some capacity, but not as an extended cutscene in which the player has zero input.

Same reason I personally don't like the dialogue with Anderson that they cut out. Too much characterization with no dialogue choices. I don't view Shepard as only being capable of soldiering (he's a colonist - he'd have a background in farming, and I picture him doing that after the war), but autodialogue would have established it that way.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 01 janvier 2013 - 09:56 .

[Clayless]

Zardoc wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I like how people are surprised that Bioware will avoid real world things due to controversy.

This should come as a surprise to no one who has wondered about the thing that's missing in ManShep romances in the first two games.

wat

My point exactly. Bioware avoiding real world things due to controversy only comes as a surprise to those who haven't wondered about the missing romances of ManShep in the first 2 games.

[DeinonSlayer]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I like how people are surprised that Bioware will avoid real world things due to controversy.

This should come as a surprise to no one who has wondered about the thing that's missing in ManShep romances in the first two games.

wat

My point exactly. Bioware avoiding real world things due to controversy only comes as a surprise to those who haven't wondered about the missing romances of ManShep in the first 2 games.

wat

[Clayless]

Gay romances, for those of you that need it spelled out even more.

[Dlive]

fiendishchicken wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

we can cause galactic extinction in refuse ending but we cant talk about religion?

we can become god in control ending but cant talk about religion?

we can punch a space monkey in the face in ME2 but we cant talk about religion?

We can tip a stripper but we can't talk about religion?

We can show partial nudity but w can't talk about religion?

We can let people die in pursuit of a mission but we can't talk about religion?

We can talk about religion with Ashley in the first game, but we can't talk about religion in the third?

I agree with every point. In such a war-torn atmosphere such talk does happen,for game base heavily on emotion they kept out a piece of
realism they were "selectively " openminded. Religious or not if its written well as the deleted scenes seem to imply why not? It wouldn't be nearly anything as controversial as some of there other decisions.

[Sundance31us]

Or they could have been avoiding the backlash from femSheps who couldn't have this conversation with Ashley.

Or did everyone forget the backlash over the femShep voting.

[knightnblu]

It may have been cut for character reasons. Williams never seemed to believe that Shepard ever really died in the biological sense of death. In the confrontation with Shepard on Horizon she didn't buy the fact that Shepard couldn't call her to let her know that he was dead. In ME3 her attitude hadn't changed much and she still believed that he was a Cerberus lackey until she put a gun in his face on the Citadel with her finger on the trigger. It was only when she came up to a kill/don't kill decision on Shepard that she decides to trust him once more.

If you take her with you on the mission to assault TIM's hideout, dawn breaks over marble head and she at long last realizes that Shepard was actually dead. She asked him what being dead was like and he tells her that he doesn't remember anything about it. Therefore Shepard never confirms nor denies any belief about any version of the afterlife or even if there is an afterlife.

Contrast that with LotR where Gandalf affirms that death is not the end. He saw a great silver ocean over which he passed and then a far green country that went as far as the eye could see. In the game Arcanum death is seen as a warm and serene place where one could lay down your burdens and be at peace in eternal repose. The character Virgil, who had been brought back via necromancy, experienced a part of himself longing to return to that dark slumber.

It is easy enough to avoid controversy with the afterlife if you bring someone back from the dead and wipe their memory of it leaving the veil of death undisturbed. But it also constitutes a missed opportunity for the writers to come up with something interesting. In the end it would seem that the scene was cut for continuity and not for religious reasons.

[marcelo caldas]

Wayning_Star wrote...

KingWrex wrote...

Ash desperately needs more character development in ME3 she does absolutely nothing except when she gets drunk. I don't mind the Cerberus doubts it adds a bit of drama if you ask me, but seriously she needs more in her character arc, cause currently it isn't even that it's a straight line.

I never forgave her for dissing me about cerberus.. She should know Sheps on the up'n up.. but she cops an attitude over it all?

i saw it to

[marcelo caldas]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

You know what would've really pissed them off? If the Reapers turned her atheist.

I mean seriously. They'd turn me atheist. I know man has committed some pretty bad crimes, but the Reapers? What the hell kind of deity lets these things exist?

The kind that you can turn into at the end of ME3.

Yeah, the crucible realy is a miracle machine

[Shepard108278]

Zardoc wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

My only complaint in ME 3 is that they cut this.

Yes I like a game you don't shocking.

[Belisarius25]

knightnblu wrote...Williams never seemed to believe that Shepard ever really died in the biological sense of death.

She seems to have thought Shepard dead until at least some point after hearing rumors of his/her survival, which changed into assuming he'd not actually been dead when they meet on Horizon (which I guess makes more sense than assuming he'd somehow been rebuilt with space magic/science). Once Shepard explains, she seems to think he was near-death and saved by Cerberus (first Mars conversation), which she appears to believe until/unless you view the logs in TIM's base, where she has a line which would almost fit into this deleted dialogue (something like "that sounds more serious than a coma" or something like that).

The rest of your description is a bit off. If you're nice/paragon to her on Mars she doesn't say anything about you and Cerberus except for saying she accepts what you've said in the hospital until the Cerberus attack on the Citadel (where it's at least somewhat reasonable to wonder why Shepard randomly shows up pointing a gun at the Council, but the 'confrontation' is not exactly much of one unless you deliberately choose 'bad' dialogue options and/or have a pretty 'bad' playthrough where quite a few people die/your Shepard is an ass. If you're choosing renegade options in the Cerberus conversations, which basically amount to you looking like you're hiding something, it's not exactly surprising that someone wouldn't trust you.

I really have more of an issue with the characters who go "well, you were dead/I thought you were dead for two years but I'm not even going to bring it up".

Modifié par Belisarius25, 01 janvier 2013 - 11:52 .

[redbaron76]

Scene is fake. DUe to the fact that several of those lines are actually from SHepard and Ashley on cronos station and this pictures are from normandy.

[garrusfan1]

I don't know why they didn't do it. Also it wasn't about controversy cause before the ending the most controversial thing was the same sex relationships. I thought they were well done but it pissed a lot of people where as that scene wouldn't be a big deal

[Loki_344]

redbaron76 wrote...

Scene is fake. DUe to the fact that several of those lines are actually from SHepard and Ashley on cronos station and this pictures are from normandy.

No it's not.

The pictures are just a visual aid taken from an existing scene in the game and the repeated lines were just taken out of this deleted scene and used in another part of the game.

This entire scene is present in the leaked script.