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[justafan]

Pheonix57 wrote...

Wait, wait, wait... They cut this because of religious controversy, but they didn't cut Benezia's line in ME1?

Let me remind everyone: "No... No light? They always said there would be a--"

@ 5:55

Actually, looking back on that scene after ME3 adds a less blasphemous context.  The Asari pray to Athame who was really just another prothean troll playing the role of God.  Evidence suggests Benezia knew about the beacon, and therefore understood her religion was false.  She would have been better off worshipping R'hllor.

However, I do think the scene with Ashley should have been kept in.  Her faith was a big part of her character in ME1, and it was almost completely abandoned.  However, if this scene was autodialogued, I wouldn't want it in at all.  Definitely something that should be left to a dialogue wheel if included.

Modifié par justafan, 02 janvier 2013 - 12:57 .

[Iakus]

knightnblu wrote...

It may have been cut for character reasons. Williams never seemed to believe that Shepard ever really died in the biological sense of death. In the confrontation with Shepard on Horizon she didn't buy the fact that Shepard couldn't call her to let her know that he was dead. In ME3 her attitude hadn't changed much and she still believed that he was a Cerberus lackey until she put a gun in his face on the Citadel with her finger on the trigger. It was only when she came up to a kill/don't kill decision on Shepard that she decides to trust him once more.

If you take her with you on the mission to assault TIM's hideout, dawn breaks over marble head and she at long last realizes that Shepard was actually dead. She asked him what being dead was like and he tells her that he doesn't remember anything about it. Therefore Shepard never confirms nor denies any belief about any version of the afterlife or even if there is an afterlife.

All of this is true.

However, even if she thinks Shepard was "only mostly dead" he's still been a lot closer to the point of no return than anyone has ever been until that point.  I can still imagine it would pique her curiosity to know if Shepard "saw a light" or experienced anything else that people with near-death experiences have described.

[ziloe]

There were a few scenes that were autodialogued though, and did them well. Like after Thessia, how Shepard is pissed at everything. This is something that adds depth to the character, and I don't think it would have been too jarring if they allowed us to watch it play out. Otherwise, if we complain about that, we might as well also complain about the other auto choices, like in ME2 how Shepard stayed behind and died in the first place.

[David7204]

If they gave Shepard a choice, that brings up a lot of very ugly implications. Giving Shepard the option to say "Yes, I spent two years in heaven" or something brings up so many questions that are just not going to get answered. Just because it's avoidable doesn't mean it alleviates those very serious problems.

And if they didn't give Shepard a choice...well, as people have said, they would be upset at being 'forced' to not remember anything or whatever.

Modifié par David7204, 02 janvier 2013 - 01:29 .

[marcelo caldas]

[quote]KingWrex wrote...

Ash desperately needs more character development in ME3 she does absolutely nothing except when she gets drunk. I don't mind the Cerberus doubts it adds a bit of drama if you ask me, but seriously she needs more in her character arc, cause currently it isn't even that it's a straight line.[/quote]

I never forgave her for dissing me about cerberus.. She should know Sheps on the up'n up.. but she cops an attitude over it all?[/quote]

i saw it to

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guys, sorry, what I realy saw was this:
http://i.imgur.com/Q9DmN.jpg
so yeah, it's possibly fake

[ziloe]

caldas wrote...

guys, sorry, what I realy saw was this:
http://i.imgur.com/Q9DmN.jpg
so yeah, it's possibly fake

It's already been stated that it's real. As for Ashley, the problem was that her writer left, thus the reason her few dialogue scenes sucked.

Modifié par ziloe, 02 janvier 2013 - 01:39 .

[adam32867]

they should of kept it, it one of the better interactions with ash in the game.

[Humakt83]

Possibly reason it was cut were the time constraints.

[ghost9191]

prefer John Crichtons answer " maybe it just wasn't my time" or whatever

[ziloe]

ghost9191 wrote...

prefer John Crichtons answer " maybe it just wasn't my time" or whatever

Totally forgot about Farscape's end. Great show.

[ghost9191]

ziloe wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

prefer John Crichtons answer " maybe it just wasn't my time" or whatever

Totally forgot about Farscape's end. Great show.

well there is the end too . but meant the episode "the flax" aryn kills him. which before he told her most humans beliefs on life after death or whatever. but when she brought him back she asked if he saw anything. his response was no but maybe it just wasn't his time

some spoilers i guess but hey spoilers are allowed and they did not specify

[RocketManSR2]

Humakt83 wrote...

Possibly reason it was cut were the time constraints.

Along with many other things that would have made the game truly awesome. I don't think Ash fully believed Shep was dead for those 2 years. Seeing it on a screen at Chronos Station (that is where that dialog takes place, right?) would have been a great moment. The look on Ash's face when she finally realizes that what he said was true and that she had been treating him so badly for no reason would've been great. Oh well. Just one more thing on a long list of disappointments.

[Jadebaby]

Of course this had to be cut out. They couldn't attract everyone if they're shutting down religious beliefs now could they?

[andy6915]

4 pics and 3 sentences are all I get? Where's the whole thing?

edit: Nevermind, people showed the whole thing later in the thread...

Modifié par andy69156915, 02 janvier 2013 - 03:48 .

[thehomeworld]

Xellith wrote...

I dont see any reason that this was cut other than Bioware was afraid of backlash and so decided to comprimise their artistic vision in order to ensure it didnt come back to bite them in the ass.

But that's just my interpretation of the situation.

Its not like religious themes are absent from the ME universe.  I definitely think that if this would have been kept in the game then it should have had dialogue wheel options and not just been autodialogue however.  The script as it is... its a little retarded if thats not what you personally went through.

Pretty much this. They should've kept it in and after Ash asks the first questions is where you can A go with what shep said B say you experianced nothing (like just darkness, no sound, light, ect) or C say I don't want to talk about this with you. I was upset no one asked shep at all from ME2 - ME3 not your LI who you think would've, not Liara who got you back who might be the most curious, and of course not Ash, at least any of these 3 possiblilites should've come to shep and ask about his/her death and revival by TIM in the sense of how did that feel. Many players did want to vent their rage at being brought back at least and vent their para shep's being angery that TIM did so.

[Fur28]

I´m catholic and wasn´t ofended in any way. So its a shame it wasn´t in the game, pretty good character developement. And the game is in a fictional universe, who cares if someone gets insultes.

[Optimus J]

Nah, that scene is too heavy. They were right to cut it. It's not like the implied sexual abuse of James Vega, when Shepard find Ashley laid on the floor.

[ziloe]

Fur28 wrote...

I´m catholic and wasn´t ofended in any way. So its a shame it wasn´t in the game, pretty good character developement. And the game is in a fictional universe, who cares if someone gets insultes.

Apparently Bioware cares, just maybe too much, lol. It's the same thing with Witcher 2, and the rug that looked too similar to a Muslim prayer rug sitting inside a brothel. They took it out, so they wouldn't offend anyone. It's just a damn rug. *sigh*

[Undead Han]

JBPBRC wrote...

Ashley's deleted scene? Pffft.

I'd personally care more about Anderson's cut dialogue at the end.

Anderson's dialogue needed to be cut because it contained an error.

Anderson states that he never had a family in the cut dialogue, but this is incorrect. LotSB revealed that he had a son with his ex-wife Cynthia.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Its atheistic (for lack of a better term, more anti-afterlife).  Thats a big no no in Amurican media.  Plus they seemed intent on hiking up the heaven talks with things like Garrus's final comments. 

Shepard was basically explaining how death is the same as pre-birth.  Which, as far as moden science can tell us, is true.  But science and logic?  Bah.  Its a war story!  Gotta talk about meeting up in fairy tale heaven land if everyone dies. 

[Undead Han]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Its atheistic (for lack of a better term, more anti-afterlife).  Thats a big no no in Amurican media.  Plus they seemed intent on hiking up the heaven talks with things like Garrus's final comments. 

I don't really see that dialogue as taking a stance one way or another.

Shepard basically says that he didn't have a near death experience. But that statement by itself doesn't come down on either side of the debate on whether or not there is life after death. Not everyone who is clinically dead and revived recalls having a near death experience.

Even if the dialogue had played out differently and Shepard said that he remembered a light at the end of a tunnel, or something similar, it would be just as meaningless. Both atheists and religious people acknowledge that near death experiences exist, they just differ on what those experiences are. The religious see them as proof of an afterlife, while atheists see them as the firing of neurons in a dying brain.

If the writers wanted to use that scene to preach in one way or another, they'd have to have Shepard voice his personal interpretation of what his experience (or lack of it) means in regards to whether or not there is an afterlife. That doesn't happen in the supposed cut dialogue. Shepard just states that he doesn't remember anything, and leaves it at that.

[Paladin-08]

@jtav Wow this is pretty cool, But i think this conversation was in its beta stages. In the actual game when you assault the Cerberus Base, Ashely asks you the same questions about what its like when you were dead. Shepard reply's almost the same way.

[zombitologist]

 Fits more with Ash's character than the playful flirtation scene at the end but felt a little long and covered some things already discussed at the hospital.

[Rifneno]

So... I'm really the only one who wanted to be able to troll her on this and start making crap up?

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

What if Harbinger is actually God... and the reapers are angels?

Still a better ending than ME3.