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[Kataphrut94]

What's shocking is that there are seriously people out there who think being religous is a detriment to Ash's character. I get not liking the racism thing and even that was taken out of context, but hating her for being right wing in a left wingers game is pretty disgusting.

Wish they'd kept that scene now. That looked really well done and any extra content for Ashley is always appreciated.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Han Shot First wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Its atheistic (for lack of a better term, more anti-afterlife).  Thats a big no no in Amurican media.  Plus they seemed intent on hiking up the heaven talks with things like Garrus's final comments. 

I don't really see that dialogue as taking a stance one way or another.

Shepard basically says that he didn't have a near death experience. But that statement by itself doesn't come down on either side of the debate on whether or not there is life after death. Not everyone who is clinically dead and revived recalls having a near death experience.

Even if the dialogue had played out differently and Shepard said that he remembered a light at the end of a tunnel, or something similar, it would be just as meaningless. Both atheists and religious people acknowledge that near death experiences exist, they just differ on what those experiences are. The religious see them as proof of an afterlife, while atheists see them as the firing of neurons in a dying brain.

If the writers wanted to use that scene to preach in one way or another, they'd have to have Shepard voice his personal interpretation of what his experience (or lack of it) means in regards to whether or not there is an afterlife. That doesn't happen in the supposed cut dialogue. Shepard just states that he doesn't remember anything, and leaves it at that.

Kind of missing the point.  Shepard didn't have a near death experience, he was, by all intents and purposes, completely dead.  For months if not years. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 02 janvier 2013 - 09:51 .

[Optimus J]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

What if Harbinger is actually God... and the reapers are angels?

Still a better ending than ME3.

It worked in that Dark Schneider manga where Anthrasax was just that, and I can't name here, without being banned.

[Saito404]

There are more deleted/bugged dialogues with Ashley.
http://www.youtube.c...feature=mh_lolz

[danby]

ziloe wrote...

 I just read this article, and I don't really see the big deal with this scene. Sure it dealt with a bigger concept of the afterlife, but when the ending choice of Control, implies that Shepard essentially just became a god, what is so blasphemous about this discussion between crew members? Everyone who picked Ashley, knew she was religious, and that was perfectly okay. Just because someone is now spacefaring, and meets aliens, doesn't mean their belief in a higher power has to end. Just look at Thane, for another example.

Either way, I think this was really handled quite tactfully, and it wasn't blatantly in your face about it, like some seem to have implied. So for it to be removed, it was kind of unfortunate.

attackofthefanboy.com/news/deleted-scene-mass-effect-3/

((Discuss))

I would rather them cut 10 scenes of this nature if they would just put the damn conversation between sheppard and anderson about having kids back in.   I have no idea why they wont put that back in.  Everyone seems to like it and its all off 1 minute long.    Its a beautiful scene between two grissiled war vets who finally have a break basically when they are both about to die.

Modifié par danby, 02 janvier 2013 - 03:45 .

[spirosz]

Made the same topic a while ago, Jack's content as well, would of added a meaningful amount of development, even though it's a small touch.

[spirosz]

But hey, you know they'd rather keep important content like Diana Allers or fetch quests in.

[Predi1988]

If this would be legit, then there should be some remains of it in the dialogue file. But there aren't any, so it's all just fanfiction.
There are some cut content in the file, however. Like a pull-up contest between Vega and Shepard, and other things like that.
And I'm very familiar with the dialogue file, since I'm working on a ME3 translation project.

[Dubozz]

Some of them are pure gold. And here i was wondering about why Ashley seems so hollow in ME3.

Modifié par Dubozz, 02 janvier 2013 - 05:04 .

[David7204]

A pull-up contest?

Modifié par David7204, 02 janvier 2013 - 05:03 .

[MACharlie1]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

What's shocking is that there are seriously people out there who think being religous is a detriment to Ash's character. I get not liking the racism thing and even that was taken out of context, but hating her for being right wing in a left wingers game is pretty disgusting.

Wish they'd kept that scene now. That looked really well done and any extra content for Ashley is always appreciated.

I don't even think Ashley is really all that right wing. I don't think really anyone is right wing by todays standards. She may believe in a God but that doesn't in the slightest make her RELIGIOUS. She believes in A God. Since when did believing in a God make her right wing? 

[Iakus]

Predi1988 wrote...

If this would be legit, then there should be some remains of it in the dialogue file. But there aren't any, so it's all just fanfiction.
There are some cut content in the file, however. Like a pull-up contest between Vega and Shepard, and other things like that.
And I'm very familiar with the dialogue file, since I'm working on a ME3 translation project.

This wasn't from the dialogue file.  It's from the leaked script.

[Undead Han]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Its atheistic (for lack of a better term, more anti-afterlife).  Thats a big no no in Amurican media.  Plus they seemed intent on hiking up the heaven talks with things like Garrus's final comments. 

I don't really see that dialogue as taking a stance one way or another.

Shepard basically says that he didn't have a near death experience. But that statement by itself doesn't come down on either side of the debate on whether or not there is life after death. Not everyone who is clinically dead and revived recalls having a near death experience.

Even if the dialogue had played out differently and Shepard said that he remembered a light at the end of a tunnel, or something similar, it would be just as meaningless. Both atheists and religious people acknowledge that near death experiences exist, they just differ on what those experiences are. The religious see them as proof of an afterlife, while atheists see them as the firing of neurons in a dying brain.

If the writers wanted to use that scene to preach in one way or another, they'd have to have Shepard voice his personal interpretation of what his experience (or lack of it) means in regards to whether or not there is an afterlife. That doesn't happen in the supposed cut dialogue. Shepard just states that he doesn't remember anything, and leaves it at that.

Kind of missing the point.  Shepard didn't have a near death experience, he was, by all intents and purposes, completely dead.  For months if not years. 

Obviously I'm aware that Shepard was dead for two years. Ashley however, was asking if Shepard had a near death experience. That is what we typically call the experiences of people who are clinically dead, who when revived state that they had an out of body experience and saw a light at the end of a tunnel. Ashley asked Shepard if he remembered having a similar experience.

The scene itself doesn't push either side of the 'Is there an afterlife?' debate, because Shepard doesn't offer an opinion on what the lack of a near death experience means.

As an example, you can write a scene where Shepard has a NDE but tells Ashley that it was just the firing of neurons in his dying brain, and that he doesn't believe there is any spiritual significance to it. Likewise you could write a scene where Shepard doesn't recall having a NDE, yet still believes in some form of an afterlife.

In the actual cut dialogue Shepard just states that he doesn't recall having a NDE, and leaves it at that. He offers no opinion on what that lack of an experience means.

As such there was certainly no need to cut the scene for fear of any controversy, because Shepard doesn't take a position in the dialogue. He simply states a fact and offers no opinion on what it means. A player whose Shepard is an atheist, would still be an atheist. Likewise a player whose Shepard expressed a belief in an afterlife in ME1, could still have the same beliefs post-Lazarus.

[Predi1988]

iakus wrote...

Predi1988 wrote...

If this would be legit, then there should be some remains of it in the dialogue file. But there aren't any, so it's all just fanfiction.
There are some cut content in the file, however. Like a pull-up contest between Vega and Shepard, and other things like that.
And I'm very familiar with the dialogue file, since I'm working on a ME3 translation project.

This wasn't from the dialogue file.  It's from the leaked script.

Then it's just obsolete. Bringing up anything from the leaked script is pointless. If it would have been found in the finished game's files, then it would matter.

[DeepChild]

Oh come on!  That was a great scene!  

Surely this wasn't cut because of the religion angle.  I mean, it was totally in character for Ash, and Shep's answer doesn't have any impact on religious or non-religious people.  How could it possibly be controversial?

Then again, why else would this have been cut?  Ah well, shame it wasn't included.  It's a nice bit of dialogue.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Han Shot First wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Its atheistic (for lack of a better term, more anti-afterlife).  Thats a big no no in Amurican media.  Plus they seemed intent on hiking up the heaven talks with things like Garrus's final comments. 

I don't really see that dialogue as taking a stance one way or another.

Shepard basically says that he didn't have a near death experience. But that statement by itself doesn't come down on either side of the debate on whether or not there is life after death. Not everyone who is clinically dead and revived recalls having a near death experience.

Even if the dialogue had played out differently and Shepard said that he remembered a light at the end of a tunnel, or something similar, it would be just as meaningless. Both atheists and religious people acknowledge that near death experiences exist, they just differ on what those experiences are. The religious see them as proof of an afterlife, while atheists see them as the firing of neurons in a dying brain.

If the writers wanted to use that scene to preach in one way or another, they'd have to have Shepard voice his personal interpretation of what his experience (or lack of it) means in regards to whether or not there is an afterlife. That doesn't happen in the supposed cut dialogue. Shepard just states that he doesn't remember anything, and leaves it at that.

Kind of missing the point.  Shepard didn't have a near death experience, he was, by all intents and purposes, completely dead.  For months if not years. 

Obviously I'm aware that Shepard was dead for two years. Ashley however, was asking if Shepard had a near death experience. That is what we typically call the experiences of people who are clinically dead, who when revived state that they had an out of body experience and saw a light at the end of a tunnel. Ashley asked Shepard if he remembered having a similar experience.

The scene itself doesn't push either side of the 'Is there an afterlife?' debate, because Shepard doesn't offer an opinion on what the lack of a near death experience means.

As an example, you can write a scene where Shepard has a NDE but tells Ashley that it was just the firing of neurons in his dying brain, and that he doesn't believe there is any spiritual significance to it. Likewise you could write a scene where Shepard doesn't recall having a NDE, yet still believes in some form of an afterlife.

In the actual cut dialogue Shepard just states that he doesn't recall having a NDE, and leaves it at that. He offers no opinion on what that lack of an experience means.

As such there was certainly no need to cut the scene for fear of any controversy, because Shepard doesn't take a position in the dialogue. He simply states a fact and offers no opinion on what it means. A player whose Shepard is an atheist, would still be an atheist. Likewise a player whose Shepard expressed a belief in an afterlife in ME1, could still have the same beliefs post-Lazarus.

All I can say is your interpreting it completely differently then I am.  The way I see it, she is asking if Shepard experienced any form of after life in his temporary death.  And he says no, only nothingness, no memory, no anything.  He lost consciousness, and then he woke up in two years later as if nothing had happened.

That supports the atheistic idea of there being no afterlife, but rather only the nothingness of non-existence identicle to pre-birth.  You simply fall into a dreamless sleep that you never wake from. 

And that idea was made very casually in that scene, as far as I can tell.  Wasn't preachy or anything.  Just "Nope, nothing, sorry."

I think they cut it primarily because they didn't want to pose such a philosophical idea in the game, let alone Shepards stance on or experience of it.  But as a believer in that theory, I would of liked to see it anyways.  Would of helped make up for the times when Shepard acted like he did believe in an afterlife.  Uhg.    Though then maybe that would of just been confusing.  Maybe THAT is why they cut it.  =/

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 02 janvier 2013 - 07:38 .

[Optimus J]

DeepChild wrote...

Oh come on!  That was a great scene!  

Surely this wasn't cut because of the religion angle.  I mean, it was totally in character for Ash, and Shep's answer doesn't have any impact on religious or non-religious people.  How could it possibly be controversial?

Then again, why else would this have been cut?  Ah well, shame it wasn't included.  It's a nice bit of dialogue.

I have a theory about why so much Anderson and Ashley dialogs were cut. And it relates about one physucal characteristic of the voice actors...

[survivor_686]

This should have been in.

[ZLurps]

Optimus J wrote...

DeepChild wrote...

Oh come on!  That was a great scene!  

Surely this wasn't cut because of the religion angle.  I mean, it was totally in character for Ash, and Shep's answer doesn't have any impact on religious or non-religious people.  How could it possibly be controversial?

Then again, why else would this have been cut?  Ah well, shame it wasn't included.  It's a nice bit of dialogue.

I have a theory about why so much Anderson and Ashley dialogs were cut. And it relates about one physucal characteristic of the voice actors...

Care to post your theory?

[Jeffonl1]

Optimus J wrote...

Nah, that scene is too heavy. They were right to cut it. It's not like the implied sexual abuse of James Vega, when Shepard find Ashley laid on the floor.

That's the first I heard of this... Never occurred to me. 

[ziloe]

spirosz wrote...

But hey, you know they'd rather keep important content like Diana Allers or fetch quests in.

Ugh. Fetch quests, how I loathe thee.

[Optimus J]

Jeffonl1 wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

Nah, that scene is too heavy. They were right to cut it. It's not like the implied sexual abuse of James Vega, when Shepard find Ashley laid on the floor.

That's the first I heard of this... Never occurred to me. 

VIDEO
Ashley:"Vega said he had 'just the thing' to take my mind off Stuff."
Shepard "And did that 'thing' come in a bottle?"
Ash: "Yes."
Shep: "This empty bottle?"
Ash: "It's empty? Oh, boy..."

So, Vega get Ash drunk, she come to the point she have no memory of what happened last night, and is left quietly on the corner, while Jimmy slips off, without anyone noticing.
Yeah, totally innocent behavior, and Jimmy never ask for help to handle Ashley, not because he is hiding something he did, but because he completely forgot to bring her to the infirmary.

[ioannisdenton]

The more cut content i see the more i get mad at Me3. This SHOULD BE IN. that was a great scene

[ziloe]

ioannisdenton wrote...

The more cut content i see the more i get mad at Me3. This SHOULD BE IN. that was a great scene

I can relate. I felt worse about Anderson`s cut scene about parenthood.

[ziloe]

I'm kinda curious how the writers feel about all this.