Air Quotes wrote...
modok8 wrote...
They should have barriers and health, not armor
That would solve a lot of the issues I think
Bioware didn't want for Stasis, Acolyte or Net to trivialize them
But what they had to do is to give them 50% armor, 50% barrier and an Eviscerator. And maybe smoke bombs.
DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...
Just about every class has a decent way of dealing with Dragoons. Staggering them is usually my choice.
Modifié par Scam_poo, 03 janvier 2013 - 10:01 .
N7Dropout1 wrote...
They don't fit Cerberus at all. They actually fit Geth a lot better as a suicidal robot type unit that shrugs off pain. But they're supposed to be a humanoid.
Bathaius wrote...
Granted, opinions vary. Some really like these mindless blitzkrieg immune to nearly everything units who just charge without any regard to anything you do to them because they 'speed up the pace of the game', but frankly, I really cannot stand these units.
Every single other unit in the game seems to have a nice strategy you can employ to consistently beat them (that isn't heavily biased towards 'only DPS'), but Dragoons seem to favor the 'dish out more DPS' strategy with their antics. The way they constantly keep you under pressure and mindless charge forces you to deal with them first, and they essentially put a time limit on how long you can ignore them of about .02 seconds.
Now, granted, opinions vary. You may like Dragoons. I'm not looking to start a debate on how cool or dumb Dragoons are. I'm just stating my personal opinion. I absolutely hate these units, and I preferred the way Cerberus/Platinum played before their introduction.
Some people like the pressure they put on you, I can understand that. That's just not how I would like the game to play out. I can't seem to get into enjoying the 'hey, look how suicidal this unit is that can't be held who is constantly charging at me not allowing me to ever take cover and continuously fires with perfect accuracy a ranged DPS weapon until he attempts to stunlock me from melee range with three of his buddies'. It's not that I don't enjoy a challenge. I love platinum. And it's not that I cannot beat Dragoons, I do so, consistently. But I do find generally the most frustrating moments I have in multiplayer come from the design choices of these units. Anyways, just voicing my 2 cents. I know you probably an opinion entirely of your own, and I respect that.
ZombieGambit wrote...
They're OP.
1. They're immune to crowd control powers, like Stasis, Singularity etc.
2. They have fairly high armor, so they're almost like Usain Bolt Brutes, but with a ranged attack.
3. Their Hornet is too powerful. You can easily dodge their Smash, but their SMGs can't be dodged and they bypass shieldgate.
4. They have 2 close range attacks, which have no cooldown. They alternate between melee and Smash repeatedly.
5. They move too freaking fast. Once you wipe out a Dragoon spawn be ready to fight another one in 10 seconds, that's not even an exaggeration.
I didn't mean that it was another Collector Captain weapon. I meant that since the Dragoon is a close ranged character giving it a ranged attack that bypasses shieldgate is overkill. What if the Pyro also had the Geth Trooper's GPR? That's basically what the Dragoon is.Cyonan wrote...
ZombieGambit wrote...
They're OP.
1. They're immune to crowd control powers, like Stasis, Singularity etc.
2. They have fairly high armor, so they're almost like Usain Bolt Brutes, but with a ranged attack.
3. Their Hornet is too powerful. You can easily dodge their Smash, but their SMGs can't be dodged and they bypass shieldgate.
4. They have 2 close range attacks, which have no cooldown. They alternate between melee and Smash repeatedly.
5. They move too freaking fast. Once you wipe out a Dragoon spawn be ready to fight another one in 10 seconds, that's not even an exaggeration.
What if I told you that it does no more damage than the Assault Trooper's Hornet?
Cohen le Barbare wrote...
I've had some problems against them in the beginning, but now I enjoy fighting them with an ex cerb vanguard/adept or a volus. That defense bubble is amazing. I was cornered on Ghost (prefab to the far right when you leave the LZ, where you can sometimes have a hack), and I beat them all without using a gel. Clever use of shield boost and biotic orbs made my day. But against a drell or a vorcha without bloodlust going, they are a major pain.
Take away their Hornet LXVIII. The combo Smah-Burst-Smash is too crazy
upinya slayin wrote...
Bathaius wrote...
Granted, opinions vary. Some really like these mindless blitzkrieg immune to nearly everything units who just charge without any regard to anything you do to them because they 'speed up the pace of the game', but frankly, I really cannot stand these units.
Every single other unit in the game seems to have a nice strategy you can employ to consistently beat them (that isn't heavily biased towards 'only DPS'), but Dragoons seem to favor the 'dish out more DPS' strategy with their antics. The way they constantly keep you under pressure and mindless charge forces you to deal with them first, and they essentially put a time limit on how long you can ignore them of about .02 seconds.
Now, granted, opinions vary. You may like Dragoons. I'm not looking to start a debate on how cool or dumb Dragoons are. I'm just stating my personal opinion. I absolutely hate these units, and I preferred the way Cerberus/Platinum played before their introduction.
Some people like the pressure they put on you, I can understand that. That's just not how I would like the game to play out. I can't seem to get into enjoying the 'hey, look how suicidal this unit is that can't be held who is constantly charging at me not allowing me to ever take cover and continuously fires with perfect accuracy a ranged DPS weapon until he attempts to stunlock me from melee range with three of his buddies'. It's not that I don't enjoy a challenge. I love platinum. And it's not that I cannot beat Dragoons, I do so, consistently. But I do find generally the most frustrating moments I have in multiplayer come from the design choices of these units. Anyways, just voicing my 2 cents. I know you probably an opinion entirely of your own, and I respect that.
dragoons are easy. but you know what happened?
BW listened to the whiners and replaced some drgaoons with engineers. now there are turrets everywhere and on maps like FBW and FBD hazards where visibility is horribile you can get turret raped around every corner.
i liked it better with dragoons
Cyonan wrote...
ZombieGambit wrote...
They're OP.
1. They're immune to crowd control powers, like Stasis, Singularity etc.
2. They have fairly high armor, so they're almost like Usain Bolt Brutes, but with a ranged attack.
3. Their Hornet is too powerful. You can easily dodge their Smash, but their SMGs can't be dodged and they bypass shieldgate.
4. They have 2 close range attacks, which have no cooldown. They alternate between melee and Smash repeatedly.
5. They move too freaking fast. Once you wipe out a Dragoon spawn be ready to fight another one in 10 seconds, that's not even an exaggeration.
What if I told you that it does no more damage than the Assault Trooper's Hornet?
Modifié par CitizenThom, 04 janvier 2013 - 02:48 .
bartz824 wrote...
The only thing I feel the Dragoons need is a speed nerf. A heavily armored unit should not be capable of keeping pace with me as I run around the map trying to kite the bastards. I can run laps around Giant and still not be able to outpace them suckers.
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