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[Fast Jimmy]

Filament wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Except Halo JUST released another sequel, as is Gears of War. Making them off the table for the new console market.

Since you're so sure the consoles won't be released till 2014, I dunno if that's necessarily true.

Holiday 2012 to Spring 2014? A year and a half dev cycle? No one would be crazy enough to try and put out a AAA level game in that short of time span. It would be total crap. 

[Tyson-666]

 Why even bother caring about which gen of consoles it will be on? Instead of caring about consoles, save the money and build yourself a decent PC, then you won't have to care which console "gen" it will be on, your PC will be much more powerful and have none of the restraints that the consoles have. 
Not trying to start a "PC is the only option, it is the supreme way of gaming" etc etc.
I understand that there is a place for consoles, I even have a PS3 myself, but they are currently holding PC gaming back. Just the fact that developers have to juggle the content to stay under that 2 gb DLC limit for xbox is ridiculous, and then there's the fact that the consoles can't handle as much as a powerful PC can either.
It does not matter much for a game like Skyrim for example, which is highly moddable and thus can be turned into an excellent PC game by the community, but other games suffer currently. Just look at some of the textures in ME3, when I look at the them I start doubting whether i'm sober or not  

[Emzamination]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I really, really hope it's next gen only.

Since you're a pc player, that's a pretty heartless thing to say. Even tho I'm just waiting for the new xbox to hit the shelves, I feel for the people who won't be able to immediately shove out near one thousand dollars (Console/accessories/possible hard drive) and get the game at the same time or neither.I can see the benefit of it being on next gen with less memory restrictions but I hope it's on both current and next gen so no one is left out.

I don't think it is heartless. Let me explain. I am a PC player as well and I also want the title to come to next gen consoles. And of course to the PC. The reason is that these new consoles may have higher specs and thus the PC version of the game could be more advanced as well. Games used to push the borders of PC tech. These days games push the borders of what consoles can do. And the current consoles tech is rather old compared to modern gaming PCs. That's not intended to be a nasty remark. It's just that a lot of PC gamers have rigs that have these great features that are rarely being used in game ports.

I can understand your side of things but I'd argue the fairness in pc players getting better graphics while a multitude of console players don't even get to play the game, but that seems a moot point now with the count down on. 

[Fast Jimmy]

Emzamination wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I really, really hope it's next gen only.

Since you're a pc player, that's a pretty heartless thing to say. Even tho I'm just waiting for the new xbox to hit the shelves, I feel for the people who won't be able to immediately shove out near one thousand dollars (Console/accessories/possible hard drive) and get the game at the same time or neither.I can see the benefit of it being on next gen with less memory restrictions but I hope it's on both current and next gen so no one is left out.

I don't think it is heartless. Let me explain. I am a PC player as well and I also want the title to come to next gen consoles. And of course to the PC. The reason is that these new consoles may have higher specs and thus the PC version of the game could be more advanced as well. Games used to push the borders of PC tech. These days games push the borders of what consoles can do. And the current consoles tech is rather old compared to modern gaming PCs. That's not intended to be a nasty remark. It's just that a lot of PC gamers have rigs that have these great features that are rarely being used in game ports.

I can understand your side of things but I'd argue the fairness in pc players getting better graphics while a multitude of console players don't even get to play the game, but that seems a moot point now with the count down on. 

LOL Major Nelson's countdown is not exactly Word of God stuff. Besides, it doesn't take a huge leap of logic to assume that E3, the biggest video game conference in the world, where nearly every other console release has been announced, will have the next gen consoles announced there.

That being said, even if they announce the release at E3, they won't neccessarily release the consoles for months, seasons, even possibly years after that announcement. After all... DA3 was just announced this fall and wasn't slated to be released for over a year. Granted, extenuating circumstances and all of that, but still... an announcement doesn't mean consoles will be rolling out the next week.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 03 janvier 2013 - 11:30 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Filament wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Holiday 2012 to Spring 2014? A year and a half dev cycle? No one would be crazy enough to try and put out a AAA level game in that short of time span. It would be total crap. 

AC3 came out a year after Revelation.

Revelation was AC2's expansion, it just didn't have the decency to call itself an expansion.

It had the exact same gameplay, it had tons of recycled resources, its narrative did nearly nothing except bridge AC2 and 3. Its not a bad game, but it was a dressed up, stand-alone expansion pack.

I was more poking fun at DA2's own development cycle (which had a similar Holiday to Spring 18 month development cycle).

[Emzamination]

Fast Jimmy wrote...


LOL Major Nelson's countdown is not exactly Word of God stuff. Besides, it doesn't take a huge leap of logic to assume that E3, the biggest video game conference in the world, where nearly every other console release has been announced, will have the next gen consoles announced there.

That being said, even if they announce the release at E3, they won't neccessarily release the consoles for months, seasons, even possibly years after that announcement. After all... DA3 was just announced this fall and wasn't slated to be released for over a year. Granted, extenuating circumstances and all of that, but still... an announcement doesn't mean consoles will be rolling out the next week.

Really? :mellow:That was my impression. Well I stand corrected.

[Fast Jimmy]

Emzamination wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...


LOL Major Nelson's countdown is not exactly Word of God stuff. Besides, it doesn't take a huge leap of logic to assume that E3, the biggest video game conference in the world, where nearly every other console release has been announced, will have the next gen consoles announced there.

That being said, even if they announce the release at E3, they won't neccessarily release the consoles for months, seasons, even possibly years after that announcement. After all... DA3 was just announced this fall and wasn't slated to be released for over a year. Granted, extenuating circumstances and all of that, but still... an announcement doesn't mean consoles will be rolling out the next week.

Really? :mellow:That was my impression. Well I stand corrected.

That's how it was done for the 360. It doesn't mean they are going to do it that way again. 

I could be wrong, I suppose. I've been wrong before.




It was a Tuesday...

EDIT: Actually, looking into it, I take this back. They announced in May, then they had playable demos at E3, but the console then wasn't released until the holidays.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 03 janvier 2013 - 11:43 .

[Fortlowe]

I wouldn't mind if it was next gen exclusive. There are valid arguments for and against it. There is diminished risk by releasing it as a current gen title, I think. There's also increased pressure to deliver a knockout game due to the less than charitable reception of the sequel. That pressure is relieved somewhat, I imagine, with having far more robust resources to deliver said knockout game, however doing so risks a diminished return due probable lack of customers.

[XX-Pyro]

Filament wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Holiday 2012 to Spring 2014? A year and a half dev cycle? No one would be crazy enough to try and put out a AAA level game in that short of time span. It would be total crap. 

AC3 came out a year after Revelation.

AC3 had three years of development time. Production began right after AC2. The teams that did Brotherhood and Revelations were junior teams with senior leaders.

[XX-Pyro]

Filament wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

AC3 had three years of development time. Production began right after AC2. The teams that did Brotherhood and Revelations were junior teams with senior leaders.

I just think it's reaching a bit too far to assume it couldn't happen with what limited info we have (ie none) about the scope of a hypothetical Halo 5/etc., and with such a diversity of development timeframes that have worked (or not, e.g. Duke Nukem Forever).

That's if it even is 5 and not like, Reach 2 or anything else.

There's a difference between pulling out a AAA game on a console you've worked with for years in a single year and pulling out a AAA game on a console you've never touched in a year.

The difference is usually failure.

[hitenchi]

The major problem is the fact that there will not that be that many people who buy the next console straight away, so being a launch game it would at best have steadily increasing sales from a relatively low start. It makes far more sense to release this on current gen and then port, with some revamps and all current dlc to the next gen console afterwards.

[iSkelzor]

It would make sense for Inquisition to be on next gen. It all depends on the technology and hardware the developers need to bring the game they want. I've read fairly recent articles and interviews featuring game developers where they seem to suggest or outright say that they were held back by the current gen of hardware

[Steppenwolf]

Rubios wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

The XBox had better software sales than the GameCube so it was not irrelevant coming into the current cycle

Your point being? You could say Windows Phone 8 has better software sales than Blackberry too, but figures are there, PS2 is the sixth generation console.

I suggest you deal with it.

What the hell are you talking about? You said that the XBox brand was irrelevant coming into this console cycle which is pure nonsense. The PS2 being the leader of the last console cycle has no relevance. The XBox was the second most popular console, so unless you're saying Microsoft and Nintendo were both irrelevant coming into this cycle then you're just spouting nonsense.

Yeah I lied, they are severely declining, not stagnant.

Video game sales down 42% due to lack of new releases, aging consoles (April)
Retail sales: PC 230% up, consoles 28% down (July)
Video game sales decline continues (October)
Videogame sales slide for 11th straight month (December)
I won't complain though, that shift it is good for the master race 

Overall sales are declining and gaming industry veterans blame it on stale IPs, not the consoles being old. And game sales figures are still being broken.

Rubios wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...
More 360 units were sold in its first 3 months than XBox units in its first 8 months.

Exactly my point, aging platforms increase sales of new ones, thank you.

That's why WiiU is doubling 360's launch figures.

Would you please pay attention to what you're responding to? I compared the 360's first 3 months of sales to the XBox's first 8 months os sales, not its last 8 months of sales. And the WiiU is barely even selling half as many units as the 360 is currently* so you'll have to provide a source to that claim about the WiiU's launch sales.


*according to current weekly sales data on VGChartz

Modifié par BasilKarlo, 04 janvier 2013 - 02:43 .

[Giant ambush beetle]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

If next gen starts this year (and it will) it would be odd for DA3 NOT to be part of it. Exclusive, maybe not. Nobody will know until a formal announcement is made.

I don't get the mentality it shouldn't be next gen though. If not DA3, then DA4 will be. ANd the common claim "don't want to be buy the console for 1 game" is just stupid. Many more games will release that you'll want. The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned, because it means overall better games. This gen has already lasted longer then any other and is so outdated it makes my flip phone look like alien technology. Its time to move on already. Save your money.

My thoughts exactly. The current generation of consoles has already lasted way too long, its bloody high time to upgrade to (MUCH) better hardware so game developers don't have to limit a games content and graphics to make it run on a 10 year old system.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

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Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 04 janvier 2013 - 02:59 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

The Woldan wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

If next gen starts this year (and it will) it would be odd for DA3 NOT to be part of it. Exclusive, maybe not. Nobody will know until a formal announcement is made.

I don't get the mentality it shouldn't be next gen though. If not DA3, then DA4 will be. ANd the common claim "don't want to be buy the console for 1 game" is just stupid. Many more games will release that you'll want. The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned, because it means overall better games. This gen has already lasted longer then any other and is so outdated it makes my flip phone look like alien technology. Its time to move on already. Save your money.

My thoughts exactly. The current generation of consoles has already lasted way too long, its bloody high time to upgrade to (MUCH) better hardware so game developers don't have to limit a games content and graphics to make it run on a 10 year old system.

The tech is 8 years-old, but same difference...

[Fortlowe]

One problem with it being current gen is the question of compatibility. I remember with Xbox 360, there were problems with backwards compatibility that took months to resolve. Perhaps (likely) I'm mistaken, but with a change in formats, DVD to Blue ray, this problem could potentially rear its ugly head once again.

Eventually, the next gen will become the current gen, and not long after its release. Many will likely trade in their current consoles for credit for new ones or new games, at least. If the game won't work on the new system because its not on some backwards compatibility list at launch, its sale could suffer.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Fortlowe wrote...

One problem with it being current gen is the question of compatibility. I remember with Xbox 360, there were problems with backwards compatibility that took months to resolve. Perhaps (likely) I'm mistaken, but with a change in formats, DVD to Blue ray, this problem could potentially rear its ugly head once again.

Eventually, the next gen will become the current gen, and not long after its release. Many will likely trade in their current consoles for credit for new ones or new games, at least. If the game won't work on the new system because its not on some backwards compatibility list at launch, its sale could suffer.

Can't Blu-Ray players read DVDs just fine? I know the PS3 can read both Blu-Ray and DVDs, though I'm hardly enough of a techie to know how or why they're able to do it. Could someone fill me in?

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

I think BioWare making Dragon Age 3 their last BIG HOORAH for the current gen would be a cool thing to do. It shouldn't be just PC gamers (my PC is adequate, but not exactly a cutting edge gaming rig) and people willing to buy the next gen systems a few months after their release who get to play this game.

(I'd also like to see backwards compatibility on the next gen XBox for all the Arcade games I bought and maybe 75% of the discs and On Demand titles I have paid for over the last 6 years... but that's probably too much to hope for and also venturing into "off-topic" territory:whistle:)

Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:59 .

[Fortlowe]

^ I share the same dim hope as you Teryn. I've spent hundreds on downloads. Having them all become digital refuse is not something I'm looking forward to. But as you say that does drift away from topic a bit.

Bringing it back into focus, what of the DLC from the two previous games? My understanding is that there will be carry over from them to DA:I. If it's next gen, and I want to playthrough the first two, will I have to play them on the old machine then somehow import that info to the new one?