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[Cobra's_back]

It is a poor marketing decision to cut out XBOX360 consoles that are just purchased 2 to 3 years ago. That is a big market. There really isn’t a reason to cut them out. They already offer games in different platforms. Why lose a market segment???

[Cimeas]

I bloody hope it is a next-gen exclusive because (1) I play on PC anyway (though I will be picking up an xbox next at launch anyway) and (2) If it's Frostbite 2, which it is, you'll be getting an abysmal experience on current gen consoles.

BF3 on 360/PS3 is slow, laggy, graphically dull and just sluggish in general. Come on, don't you want to go 'wow, that looks amazing' in a game again. If you play on PC, the last time you might have gotten that was TW2 almost 2 years ago, and if you play on console it was probably half a bloody decade ago.

If you've bought DA:O, DA:A, DA2 and all the DLC at their launches you've probably spent at least $250 on the DA franchise so far anyway. Treat yourself to a new console for DA3, you won't regret it.

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ANYWAY, EA loves money so it'll probably be a cross-gen title.

[Cimeas]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Gameplay and story are the most important, yes But that's no reason to hold back on the other aspects and let yourself be held back by the limitations of the technology used in antiquated consoles.

You're right, that is no reason.

The $500 for a new console or the $800 required for a new gaming PC rig are. So... just to ahead and mail me that check and I'll get right on that. Thanks!

Jeez, that $500 console has last 7 years already.    I'm pretty sure you can afford an upgrade at this point.  Many people keep their CARS for less time than that (not saying you do ofc). 

Also, $800 on a PC?  Sure, but once you play on PC you can never go back.  The sheer control it gives you, the customization, the mods, the ability to use Steam Overlay/Origin InGame to browse the internet while you play.  Not 'alt-tab', but literally IN THE GAME.  Then there's the resolution.  Many supposedly HD console games render at 480p.  The few that render in 720p are generally slow or graphically poor, and even if they were perfect, could not even BEGIN to compare with 1080p on PC.  

PC gaming is the way games play best.  Even a terrible, crappy console port is usually better than most exclusive console games in terms of graphics.   (seriously you could try playing Wii games with Dolphin emulator, they look great.)    If you care about games in any way, and judging by the amount you post on this forum you do, you would be wise to invest in a good gaming PC because your enjoyment will increase SIGNIFICANTLY. 

[Doctoglethorpe]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Facebook games aren't PC games. I can play any Facebook game on my phone or iPad. And I know exactly how much a gaming PC costs. I just built one a few days ago. It's not inexpensive.

It can be expenive, if you chose to make it so.  I know I spent $1200 on mine, because I wanted the best around nothings ever gonna bring me down.  But I spent houndreds of dollars on unnessisary things.  My point is, it doesn't have to be really expencive.  Just a couple houndred dollars more then a regular pc.  Less combined then buying a regular pc and a console. 

[Alexander1136]

Maybe they'll just do the comic book thing they did for me2 or me3 when it comes to mass effect 1. you made all the past decisions in the comic and then the game started. I hope that its for this gen though.

[laudable11]

DinoSteve wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I really, really hope it's next gen only.

This so much this, if its next gen only it means they will put more time into it.

I'm hoping for this.

[Fast Jimmy]

Cimeas wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Gameplay and story are the most important, yes But that's no reason to hold back on the other aspects and let yourself be held back by the limitations of the technology used in antiquated consoles.

You're right, that is no reason.

The $500 for a new console or the $800 required for a new gaming PC rig are. So... just to ahead and mail me that check and I'll get right on that. Thanks!

Jeez, that $500 console has last 7 years already.    I'm pretty sure you can afford an upgrade at this point.  Many people keep their CARS for less time than that (not saying you do ofc). 

Also, $800 on a PC?  Sure, but once you play on PC you can never go back.  The sheer control it gives you, the customization, the mods, the ability to use Steam Overlay/Origin InGame to browse the internet while you play.  Not 'alt-tab', but literally IN THE GAME.  Then there's the resolution.  Many supposedly HD console games render at 480p.  The few that render in 720p are generally slow or graphically poor, and even if they were perfect, could not even BEGIN to compare with 1080p on PC.  

PC gaming is the way games play best.  Even a terrible, crappy console port is usually better than most exclusive console games in terms of graphics.   (seriously you could try playing Wii games with Dolphin emulator, they look great.)    If you care about games in any way, and judging by the amount you post on this forum you do, you would be wise to invest in a good gaming PC because your enjoyment will increase SIGNIFICANTLY. 

Firstly, I drive a 2000 Lincoln. Secondly, I used to be a PC player, before games required such ridiculous rigs. I went to great pains to be a PC player by making boot discs to get the computer able to handle the game I was going to be playing on it. I have built my own computers, back in my younger days, installing mother boards, RAM, fans... the whole works. And I'm not a poor person (albeit probably a rather CHEAP person). I plan on having the money (and, of course, buying) a next gen console within the first year it comes out. I have a TV that is worth more than my car. I shell out money every month for premium channels to watch the sporting events I love.

But PC gaming is a luxury hobby, even more so than regular gaming. I don't need it, it doesn't bring me any more joy or pleasure on a console than it does on a PC, so I'm not going to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars keeping my PC "game ready." It is just not something I can bring myself to do. 

This thread is not a PC vs. console thread, however. So I'll leave it at that.

Needless to say, I would hate the next DA game to be a next-gen title exclusive title. I would even be extremely wary of it being a multi-gen title (at least starting out - if the game does well and they want to re-release it on the next gen similar to what Bioware did with the delayed Wii-U release, I'd be fine with it). And, as I said above, this is from a guy who plans on buying a next-gen console. It would drain resources and diminsh the marketable group too much. And it won't bring the PC playing group NEARLY the level of graphics and processing fidelity they believe it will, if the leaked low-end hardware specs of the next-gen consoles can be believed.

[Doctoglethorpe]

You drive a Lincoln and complain about expense and luxury? Wut.

[Fast Jimmy]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

You drive a Lincoln and complain about expense and luxury? Wut.

...really? That's the part you are going to reply on? Its a thirteen year old vehicle.

Take it to PM, man. This is already so OT that the thread could be shut down.

[Doctoglethorpe]

This entire thread is already OT.

And its 13 years old now, but you implied you've had it for a long time.

[naughty99]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I used to be a PC player, before games required such ridiculous rigs. 

Modern games don't require ridiculous rigs anymore. Since most of us already need a computer for work or school, IMO it's cheaper than buying a separate console.

Around $500-600 will get you a solid desktop that runs most recent games at 1080p.

You can buy an excellent laptop with Ivy Bridge quad core and mobile GPU that will run games at 1080p for the next few years, as well as demanding applications, for about $1,000.

A laptop that can run most games at 1366x768 will set you back around $700 or so

Fast Jimmy wrote...

it won't bring the PC playing group NEARLY the level of graphics and processing fidelity they believe it will, if the leaked low-end hardware specs of the next-gen consoles can be believed.

I agree, I don't think next gen titles will look much different on PC. However, if the consoles have more than 256MB RAM and x86-64 PC architecture, then next gen games will likely be able to incorporate better A.I., a larger, more interactive and complex game world, more actors onscreen, more persistent data, etc. Who knows, we might even see some kind of system for dynamic events in DA3.

Imagine if Kirkwall were populated with hundreds of interesting NPCs with their own daily routines, or you could interact with more objects in the environments, more character customization options, or more dynamic side quests with details related to previous player choices instead of simply "find random item in dungeon, get money from NPC with exclamation mark on his head," etc.

Modifié par naughty99, 07 janvier 2013 - 06:31 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

This entire thread is already OT.

And its 13 years old now, but you implied you've had it for a long time.

Nowhere in my post did I mention anything at all about how long I have owned my car.

Please take this (and any other PC/console conversation) to PM if you really want to continue it. 

[AstraDrakkar]

I imagine it will be multi platform. It would be a bad marketing move to make it one platform.

[Cimeas]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

This entire thread is already OT.

And its 13 years old now, but you implied you've had it for a long time.

Nowhere in my post did I mention anything at all about how long I have owned my car.

Please take this (and any other PC/console conversation) to PM if you really want to continue it. 

You said you drove a "2000 Lincoln".  I assume you mean that you bought the car in 2000, ie. it is in it's 13th year. 

[Steppenwolf]

Who refers to cars by the year they bought them? If someone says they drive a 2000 Lincoln that means they drive a Lincoln that was new in 2000. If I drive a '78 Stingray that I bought in 2010 I don't say I drive a 2010 Stingray.

Modifié par BasilKarlo, 07 janvier 2013 - 12:44 .

[ted2643]

To be back on topic I don't think it will be next gen only. Having owned both microsoft consolesthey did debut in Nov. the years that they dropped. The next xbox count down has begun and will take place at e3 this year stated by MajorNielson. Hence the speculated rippening for a 2013 holiday launch and developers will surely capitalize by optimazing game versions for the 360 and the 720, durango, xbox8 or what ever they name it this summer.

[Steppenwolf]

Nintendo WiiU, Microsoft Durango and Sony Orbis. Weird console generation...

[SweQue]

http://www.vgchartz....s=0&results=200

Dragon Age Origin sales:

Xbox360 version sold 2.4 million copies.
Ps3 version sold 1.5 million copies
PC version sold 400k copies.

So that means 91% of the sold copies was on this gen consoles, you think they will abandon 90% of the market just to make the 10% more happy about next-gen graphic? Also, take this to consideration, with only 400k (... well 400k is a lot still) how many of those pc owners has "next-gens" graphic cards in them. Come on. get real here.
If you care about Dragon Age franchise and are a pc owner - like myself - then be happy over the console port, im sure in next dragon age we will get much, much better graphic - so dont worry.

It really does bother me though when crazy pc owners wanna lose 90% of the market, just to have some extra graphic settings for rpg's. Are they truly real rpg fans to begin with? geez (and yes, I also play DA1 &2 with max graphic 1080p.)

Oh, I almost forgot... now with "Wii U" they might be able to sell perhaps a million more copies because of Nintendo installbase, who knows - probably more then 400k though O_o

Modifié par SweQue, 07 janvier 2013 - 03:44 .

[Brockololly]

SweQue wrote...
So that means 91% of the sold copies was on this gen consoles, you think they will abandon 90% of the market just to make the 10% more happy about next-gen graphic? Also, take this to consideration, with only 400k (... well 400k is a lot still) how many of those pc owners has "next-gens" graphic cards in them. Come on. get real here.
If you care about Dragon Age franchise and are a pc owner - like myself - then be happy over the console port, im sure in next dragon age we will get much, much better graphic - so dont worry.

First off, VGChartz numbers are notoriously unreliable. PC sales numbers for most any game are going to be unreliable because they don't account for any digital download sales, which make up a huge portion of PC sales. And those Origins numbers in particular for PC seem to completely exclude North America.

SweQue wrote...
It really does bother me though when crazy pc owners wanna lose 90% of the market, just to have some extra graphic settings for rpg's. Are they truly real rpg fans to begin with? geez (and yes, I also play DA1 &2 with max graphic 1080p.)

I don't quite understand how you're going from DA3 possibly being a nextgen exclusive to it not coming out on consoles. It would be on consoles, just the new ones plus PC.

Furthermore, if they limit the game to only nextgen consoles plus PC that ideally means they would be able to do more than simply add some nice graphical features. They wouldn't have to worry at all about limiting the game or designing features around the lower limits of the current gen consoles. They could step up their level design with less loading, have better AI and physics, a more open world, more animations and so forth with only having to design for better hardware.

[SweQue]

"I don't quite understand how you're going from DA3 possibly being a nextgen exclusive to it not coming out on consoles. It would be on consoles, just the new ones plus PC."

And?
there is over 100 million consoles if you combine the ps3 & xbox360 market. ps4 might not even be out by then, and what will xbox720 have? Maybe 3-5 million owners, at most?
And you think 50% of them are dragon age fans?
Use common sense, they would abandon millions of fans if they pick the game for next-gen.

Modifié par SweQue, 07 janvier 2013 - 05:11 .

[deuce985]

Only way I can possibly see Bioware/EA cutting out the PS3/360 market is if Sony/M$ paid ridiculous amounts to flaunt their new tech making it exclusives. After all, people aren't going to be willing to adopt a new console quick until they see some amazing games on it. If Sony dropped $100-$200 million to make it exclusive to PS4, then they might do it. Which they're not going to do, so you can get that idea out your head. EA doesn't make exclusives. They would have to make it very attractive for EA. And yes, I pulled that number out my ass but it would probably be something in that ballpark. I wouldn't even be surprised if it's more. I doubt Sony/M$ value Dragon Age as a system seller(no offense to Bioware).

tl;dr I'll put money down it's at least out on 360/PS3. Really, it's common sense people. Bioware doesn't have to tell us what we already know. It makes no sense to cut that market out. None.

Modifié par deuce985, 07 janvier 2013 - 05:27 .

[nightscrawl]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

And it won't bring the PC playing group NEARLY the level of graphics and processing fidelity they believe it will, if the leaked low-end hardware specs of the next-gen consoles can be believed.

Heh, as a PC user I'm hoping for the exact opposite actually! I don't want to upgrade my card, so I'm perfectly happy if DA3 is for current gen consoles since the result will trickle down to my PC's specs as well.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

I've posted a topic in the Off-Topic forums about the question of DA:I next gen console exclusivity. I think there's enough of these here in the DA3 General Discussion, so I placed it elsewhere so as to avoid redundancy.

Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 23 février 2013 - 05:21 .

[andrew252]

if they do they will have to find a way to import the saves from the 360/ps3 onto the new consoles

[Cyrax86]

@SweQue

PS3 / PSN also had digital copies of DA:O and DA2(not sure about 360), and those aren't counted either. Even though Wii had the most consoles sold, 3rd party games never sold that well, with the exception of a few.