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[MaggieSh]

nightscrawl wrote...
No one has said, not even David Gaider said, that it is impossible to create a mature looking female dwarf. I simply stated that it could be problematic, and it is also something that is not at all an issue with the male dwarves.

I don't understand what is problematic about it.

This is one of the dwarf presets, I don't see anything immature about her face.

This is a dwarf I made, with no mods, and little more than twitching a slide or two this way or that because I'm not that good at it.

I don't see what's child like or immature about the dwarves. I can see how you could make one looke child like, as you can do with any of the species, but I don't understand why everyone sees the female dwarves as immature.

[74 Wrex]

Any people who has problem with dwarves can shut their big mouths
Dwarves 4 Life

[nightscrawl]

*Sigh* You quoted something I said but took no meaning from it whatsoever other than a single word: problematic. Since you prefer to keep talking in absolutes by using phrases like "everyone sees the female dwarves as immature," it's pointless to continue the discussion.

[MaggieSh]

nightscrawl wrote...

*Sigh* You quoted something I said but took no meaning from it whatsoever other than a single word: problematic. Since you prefer to keep talking in absolutes by using phrases like "everyone sees the female dwarves as immature," it's pointless to continue the discussion.

I quoted what I quoted because that's the one part of it that I didn't understand, and since I've seen it across the board, I'd like to understand it.


If you want to act as though you're somehow sophisticated by abandoning a topic, than by all means, continue.

Could someone else answer me?

[daft inquisitor]

The first dwarven picture you posted, a lot of the facial features are more childlike. The rounder face, smaller nose, and wider eyes are all traits that are much more often seen in younger children than in adults. It just has a subtle, youthful quality about it.

Where as the second picture you posted, that dwarf definitely looks like a woman and not a child. Again, it's subtle, but it's there.

Though, I'm with Night on this one. You picked what you wanted out of what s/he was saying, and didn't bother with the rest.

MaggieSh wrote...
I can see how you could make one looke child like, as you can do with any of the species, but I don't understand why everyone sees the female dwarves as immature.

Also, as to this. As a general rule, people are stupid. They like hopping on little wagons and ranting and raving about something that was said in passing, even with scads of proof that they're completely misinterpreting it, just because they don't feel like changing their stance.

David Gaider once said that he thought some of the female dwarves looked childlike, and that cued everybody and their mother to say, "it's official, dwarven women look like little girls!" Seriously, that's all it took, because people, as a general rule, are simple and stupid. <_<

Modifié par ShadowDragoonFTW, 05 janvier 2013 - 05:13 .

[MaggieSh]

Thank you. And I'm sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings by only bothering with part of Night's post. It's not that I didn't read the rest/didn't find the rest to be well said or anything of the kind, I thought it was well said and I agreed with several parts of it, and didn't need any explaining for the rest of it. I've seen the 'childish' comments numerous times, never really got an explanation for it, was reminded of it by a part of Night's post, thought it'd be a nice time to get an explanation.

My b.

[Trolldrool]

I can romance Alistair as a dwarf. And Zevran. And Leliana. And Morrigan. If the dwarf PC in the first game can romance three humans and an elf, I don't see why a human PC shouldn't be allowed to romance a dwarf.

It's not about a niche or a fetish. I simply think out of all the characters in DA2, Varric was the only one with any really interesting depth. And though I found Oghren absolutely revolting in the first game on my first playthrough, he grew on me. Yes. I would actually romance Oghren if given the option.

[MaggieSh]

krul2k wrote...

I dont see the female dwarf as immature an i do not see her as childish, i do not want a dwarf LI unless it is with another dwarf simply because of the idea i have of dwarfs ranging from hundreds of fantasy readings to a few games and one of them ideas i have is dwarfs stay within there own kind for relationships thats it end of story for me.

I am not apposed to a dwarf as a LI for anyone else i am just stating the facts for me an for me that one is a major one, for me a dwarf will not an never will have a LI with any species bar her/his own, that is why all my dwarfs in DAO are single an why i wished to hell sigrun or even oghren had been romanceable

I recall there being some sort of scandal in Orzammar amongst the nobles where a daughter of house Dace had an elven lover. Which was very bad considering the whole declining reproduction rate and what not. It's mentioned on the wiki, as well.

So, it's not unheard of? Although I do understand that this is your personal ideas on the topic.

[Corker]

Trolldrool wrote...

 Yes. I would actually romance Oghren if given the option.

I firmly believe that if Oghren were human or elven, he would have reams and reams of fanfic written in his honor.  Rags-to-riches-to-rags backstory, betrayal and abandonment by his god-wife and their clan, finding her deep in madness in the Deep Roads.  His drinking problem, the touch of sobriety by the end of DAO, then the backsliding in DAA.  He would be a tragic GOD with female OCs throwing themselves at him to 'fix him' and make him all better.

[MaggieSh]

Corker wrote...

Trolldrool wrote...

 Yes. I would actually romance Oghren if given the option.

I firmly believe that if Oghren were human or elven, he would have reams and reams of fanfic written in his honor.  Rags-to-riches-to-rags backstory, betrayal and abandonment by his god-wife and their clan, finding her deep in madness in the Deep Roads.  His drinking problem, the touch of sobriety by the end of DAO, then the backsliding in DAA.  He would be a tragic GOD with female OCs throwing themselves at him to 'fix him' and make him all better.

I support your theory. If he'd been elven, well he'd be right along the lines of Fenris, wouldn't he? So why couldn't we have had him v.v

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Corker wrote...

Trolldrool wrote...

 Yes. I would actually romance Oghren if given the option.

I firmly believe that if Oghren were human or elven, he would have reams and reams of fanfic written in his honor.  Rags-to-riches-to-rags backstory, betrayal and abandonment by his god-wife and their clan, finding her deep in madness in the Deep Roads.  His drinking problem, the touch of sobriety by the end of DAO, then the backsliding in DAA.  He would be a tragic GOD with female OCs throwing themselves at him to 'fix him' and make him all better.

...I can see that, and it's frightening. o_O

[Twilight_Princess]

Just came back from watching the Hobbit... so um yes dwarf LI for DA3 please Varric and Thorin are fine examples of sexy dwarfs.

[MaggieSh]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Just came back from watching the Hobbit... so um yes dwarf LI for DA3 please Varric and Thorin are fine examples of sexy dwarfs.

And Fili and Kili?!

[Addai]

Corker wrote...

Trolldrool wrote...

 Yes. I would actually romance Oghren if given the option.

I firmly believe that if Oghren were human or elven, he would have reams and reams of fanfic written in his honor.  Rags-to-riches-to-rags backstory, betrayal and abandonment by his god-wife and their clan, finding her deep in madness in the Deep Roads.  His drinking problem, the touch of sobriety by the end of DAO, then the backsliding in DAA.  He would be a tragic GOD with female OCs throwing themselves at him to 'fix him' and make him all better.

LOL You speak true.

[Twilight_Princess]

MaggieSh wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Just came back from watching the Hobbit... so um yes dwarf LI for DA3 please Varric and Thorin are fine examples of sexy dwarfs.

And Fili and Kili?!

Of course!!

But Thorin was just...

[Herr Uhl]

Corker wrote...

Trolldrool wrote...

 Yes. I would actually romance Oghren if given the option.

I firmly believe that if Oghren were human or elven, he would have reams and reams of fanfic written in his honor.  Rags-to-riches-to-rags backstory, betrayal and abandonment by his god-wife and their clan, finding her deep in madness in the Deep Roads.  His drinking problem, the touch of sobriety by the end of DAO, then the backsliding in DAA.  He would be a tragic GOD with female OCs throwing themselves at him to 'fix him' and make him all better.

He needs to be more melodramatic about it too.

[MaggieSh]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

MaggieSh wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Just came back from watching the Hobbit... so um yes dwarf LI for DA3 please Varric and Thorin are fine examples of sexy dwarfs.

And Fili and Kili?!

Of course!!

But Thorin was just...

And when he sang? Mhmmmhmhmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Can we have a singing dwarf with that voice plz?

[Corker]

Herr Uhl wrote...

He needs to be more melodramatic about it too.

Bah, you underestimate the power of wishful thinking.  Meaning can be tortured out of the slightest pauses between lines, mined from the tiniest inflection, stretched from a single evocative quote and used like romantic wallpaper to cover over dings and scratches that are perhaps unaesthetic.

"All those times you can ask him 'What's wrong?' and he puts you off!  He's trying so hard to deal with things but he just can't open up about it!"

"The dirty jokes are just his way of keeping people at arm's length, like Zevran does.  Once you get past those, it's obvious that he loves and respects the Warden as a fellow war-fighter.  I mean, that gates speech!  *swoon!* :wub:"

"He is obviously in *so much pain* in Awakening and he's just trying to drink it all away.  He's still fighting those berserker tendencies that got him censured in Orzammar - all he knows is battle and he can't readapt to civilian life."

"When he asked for the pony I just wanted to snuggle him! <3<3<3  Branka obviously never appreciated him."

[Krypplingz]

Speaking of Oghrens charm: The way the talks to Nathaniel. It's actually kind of sweet.

I support a dwarven LI (or atleast a dwarven companions, these guys are like Krogans, you just have to have one). Especially a bearded, manly man who likes drinking, fighting and wenches.
We could also have a scheming noble, maybe someone who got exiled but still keeps his pragmatic skills from his time in the assembly.
A carta member who got lost during a surface mission and doesn't want to go back. (I think Leske went to the surface once on a job...)
Or maybe a courteus warrior caste like Gorim? He was quite lovely.

I would like to meet Oghren's kid somewhere in the series, maybe a fiery red head who dual wields axes and loves adventuring, but abhors alcohol because of what it did to her parents marriage.

[In Exile]

MaggieSh wrote...
I don't see what's child like or immature about the dwarves. I can see how you could make one looke child like, as you can do with any of the species, but I don't understand why everyone sees the female dwarves as immature.

The dwarf preset absolutely looks like a child to me, and even your dwarf looks very young. Now, don't get me wrong - there are people who look young, even in their 20s. But that's a look that some people find perturbing.

[Nightdragon8]

just make it an optional romance... oh wait they are all OPTIONAL and let it happen. As long as she doesn't act like he/she is underage there shouldn't be a problem.

[Harle Cerulean]

MaggieSh wrote...

Corker wrote...

Trolldrool wrote...

 Yes. I would actually romance Oghren if given the option.

I firmly believe that if Oghren were human or elven, he would have reams and reams of fanfic written in his honor.  Rags-to-riches-to-rags backstory, betrayal and abandonment by his god-wife and their clan, finding her deep in madness in the Deep Roads.  His drinking problem, the touch of sobriety by the end of DAO, then the backsliding in DAA.  He would be a tragic GOD with female OCs throwing themselves at him to 'fix him' and make him all better.

I support your theory. If he'd been elven, well he'd be right along the lines of Fenris, wouldn't he? So why couldn't we have had him v.v

You people frighten me.  Oghren as an elf would still be Oghren - you'd have to change his backstory a bit (elves don't have Paragons, to start with), so one thing you would need to keep the same to keep him at all the same character would be his personality traits.  So yes, he'd probably be a tragic, figure still - but also only appealing to those who think that crude people brined in booze and lacking good hygiene are hot.  Being an elf wouldn't change who he is so much that suddenly he'd be the King Of All Fans' Hearts.  And his backstory is nothing like Fenris, nor is his personality.  Where did that statement even come from, seriously?

[Addai]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

You people frighten me.  Oghren as an elf would still be Oghren - you'd have to change his backstory a bit (elves don't have Paragons, to start with), so one thing you would need to keep the same to keep him at all the same character would be his personality traits.  So yes, he'd probably be a tragic, figure still - but also only appealing to those who think that crude people brined in booze and lacking good hygiene are hot.  Being an elf wouldn't change who he is so much that suddenly he'd be the King Of All Fans' Hearts.  And his backstory is nothing like Fenris, nor is his personality.  Where did that statement even come from, seriously?

Have you heard the banters about Alistair reeking?

[MaggieSh]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

MaggieSh wrote...

Corker wrote...

Trolldrool wrote...

 Yes. I would actually romance Oghren if given the option.

I firmly believe that if Oghren were human or elven, he would have reams and reams of fanfic written in his honor.  Rags-to-riches-to-rags backstory, betrayal and abandonment by his god-wife and their clan, finding her deep in madness in the Deep Roads.  His drinking problem, the touch of sobriety by the end of DAO, then the backsliding in DAA.  He would be a tragic GOD with female OCs throwing themselves at him to 'fix him' and make him all better.

I support your theory. If he'd been elven, well he'd be right along the lines of Fenris, wouldn't he? So why couldn't we have had him v.v

You people frighten me.  Oghren as an elf would still be Oghren - you'd have to change his backstory a bit (elves don't have Paragons, to start with), so one thing you would need to keep the same to keep him at all the same character would be his personality traits.  So yes, he'd probably be a tragic, figure still - but also only appealing to those who think that crude people brined in booze and lacking good hygiene are hot.  Being an elf wouldn't change who he is so much that suddenly he'd be the King Of All Fans' Hearts.  And his backstory is nothing like Fenris, nor is his personality.  Where did that statement even come from, seriously?

You frighten me.

Is your argument suddenly invalid? No? So why you felt the need to add that is just silly. The comment about Fenris was alikening two broken warriors who turn to alcohol and harsh comments to keep people at arm's length.

Oghren, the Elf: He was transferred to another clan because of his superior fighting talents, and quickly fell in love with their Keeper. It didn't take long for her to reciprocate his feelings, or so he thought. They married, and were happy for a time. Until this Keeper, let's call her Brina, packs up the clan to go off in search of Arlanthan and the ancient elven power that supposedly resides there; with one catch, she leaves Oghren behind. He turns to alcohol to numb the affects of his beloved's betrayal, his once proud name turned into a joke amongst the Dalish. He allows this reputation to continue, even going so far as to perpetuate it, making crude jokes so that no one can see how fractured and hurt he really is. He'll never let anyone that close to him again...

Now tell me we wouldn't have a crap load of fangirls for Oghren the Elf.

Modifié par MaggieSh, 06 janvier 2013 - 09:46 .