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[Zakuspec089]

Hello and okay,

Okay let say Mass Effect 4 they canonized a ending. One out of the four endings that they have in the current series. This is if they don't come out with other new endings or let us import. I know personally I be mad in some ways, I don't want a renegade ending to be the main ending, that ending were okay. I'm a paragon and I don't commit mass genocide. I picked control over the others because that who and what my character is, My character is a Paragon.I still wished we had other choices, where out character could of survived all of them.

If they picked Destroy ending which everyone wants, I guess too because Shepard lived. I be disappointed. That what I didn't work for in the Mass Effect trilogy, I'm not a renegade. I know I tried and played different ways but I'm a Paragon. I hope they either add new endings or they let you import your save games. I hope we get to play some species beside human, I don't want to play human again reall.. In Mass Effect 4 it no longer about Shepard but we should have our choices in the past matter for the future of the universe. 

What about the rest of you, please be respectful and positive thank you. We know everyone play differently and have their own likes and opinions, people are allowed. 

[Chiggy]

I think it would be neat if ME 4 used the N7 characters from multiplayer - Fury, Destroyer, Demolisher, Paladin, etc. The character you select would be you as opposed to a character with a name and identity

[Kanaris]

If they Canonize the Destroy ending they will probably loose me as a Customer for a very long time if not forever. The whole point of the ME games the main THEME behind the games at least till ME 3 was your choices mattered and have consequences be they for good or ill was up to you in ME3 they destroyed the theme of the ME games by ignoring 3/4 of the choices made through ME1 & ME2 and by taking many of the choices away from us in ME3 via Auto Dialogue.

I see a Canonized ending to Justify ME4 as the final nail in the Coffin of the ME Franchise Frankly they should just man up admit they screwed up ME3 and fix it before jumping into a 4th game.

Modifié par Kanaris, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:03 .

[PXXL]

what if ME4 takes place before the trilogy?

[Kanaris]

PXXL wrote...

what if ME4 takes place before the trilogy?

Fans have made it quite clear they DO NOT want a Prequal to the ME games so if they do make it a Prequal then ME4 will probably be the worst selling ME game to date.

[Cimeas]

People want a sequel thus the ending pretty much has to be canonised. Especially since the game will be coming on next gen and people won't even have their save games unless they're on PC.

I think synthesis is too 'happy' as it removes all conflict from everything and makes the universe happy blah blah sunshines and rainbows etc... And control is something most fans hate as it isn't destroying the reapers, so I think destroy is likely to become the canon ending.

The ME trilogy is over. The series of games that carried your choices across is over. Time for Biore to pick an ending and stick with it.

Modifié par Cimeas, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:40 .

[gisle]

You believe they can make a satisfying ME4 with an at least decent outcome of your choices? Dream on. Look at ME2's big choices and how they were handled in ME3.

They can set it before or between the triology and have it irrelevant to the grander scheme of things, and yet be interesting for what it is, not what it's promised to cause. People might hate it for its lack of meta-value. There are many interesting stories to be told rather than Reaper Wars or something to attempt to out-epic ME3 scale-wise.

(meta = out of character; bad in an RPG. For instance: ME2's story is perfectly isn't irrelevant when one looks from the galaxy and Shep's perspective.)

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:48 .

[Nimpe]

Honestly, I don't think they need to canonize anything. Just slap a green effect on everything if Synthesis and if destroy don't have any geth/replace them with some new character and then treat the rest of it like they treat every other choice. Codex entry, people referring to it, maybe a quest that changes depending on the choice.

[StoneSwords]

Honestly, Bioware would upset the least amount of people by going with destroy as canon, but either way, a large chunk of their fans would be outraged whatever they chose, so we're prolly not gonna get a clear cut "canon" ending. Bioware made their bed, now they can lay in it.

[Han Shot First]

Zakuspec089 wrote...

If they picked Destroy ending which everyone wants, I guess too because Shepard lived. I be disappointed. That what I didn't work for in the Mass Effect trilogy, I'm not a renegade. I know I tried and played different ways but I'm a Paragon. I hope they either add new endings or they let you import your save games.

Destroy is the paragon ending.

Anderson (a paragon) is the avatar for Destroy, and the best Destroy end is most easily achieved if the player chose to destroy the Collector Base (a paragon decision) in ME2.

In fact in an extremely low EMS playthrough, you'll only have one ending choice available to you. If you destroyed the Collector Base in ME2, only Destroy will be available. If you kept the Collector Base (a renegade decision), only Control will be available.

[Wolfva2]

Arcian wrote...

You are pretty darn thick if you're expecting your ending choices to actually matter. Here's a bunch of ending choices in ME1 and ME2 and how much they mattered in the long run.

ME1:
Chose Anderson? Udina is councilor.
Chose Udina? He was going to be anyway.

Saved Council? They're ignoring you.
Sacrificed Council? Here's a new one. They're also ignoring you. They're also aliens even though ME1 said they would be all-human.

ME2:
Saved base? Here's some EMS.
Destroyed base? Here's some EMS, just slightly higher than if you saved it.

Saved everyone during the SM? Cameos.
Lost a bunch of people during the SM? Cameos by other characters.

And for the sake of speculative demonstration:

ME3:
Chose Destroy? You meet a geth that mentions it was built after the Reaper War. You also hear a news story about the anniversary of Shepard's natural death.
Chose Control? Random character mentions he is wondering where the Reapers have gone to.
Chose Synthesis? Random character not covered in green stuff mentions she's thinking about upgrading herself for the sake of her synthetic husband.

Everything else will be EXACTLY. THE. SAME. In case you hadn't noticed by now, BioWare doesn't really like choice and consequence anymore. It's just buzzwords they overuse in interviews to make gullible B.D's wet themselves and throw away the monetary contents of their wallets in unjustified excitement.

You're confusing results with choices.  You DO have choices, That they don't change anything is a result of the fact that Bioware didn't want to make a seperate game for every possible choice you can make in the game.  Sure, it'd be nice if they did.  Course, we'd still be waiting for them to finish writing ME2, and it would probably have filled a terrabyte HD....

There's an old saying, "It's the journey that matters, not the destination."  In LOTR Gandalf could have had the Eagles fly Frodo over Mount Doom to destroy the ring before it had a good grasp on him.  That would have been a crappy, and short, book.  More like a short story.    The JOURNEY is what mattered, what made the books worth reading and the movies worth watching.  Same thing with the ME trilogy.  The Journey is what is important, not the destination.  

In any case, this is a game.  You're upset because your choices in a GAME don't matter?  I dunno about you, but I play games to have fun, not validation of my worth.  That's what real life is for.  Perhaps you haven't done anything in real life that was important; if so that explains why you want a game to be 'meaningful'.

[TheInquisitor]

Kanaris wrote...

PXXL wrote...

what if ME4 takes place before the trilogy?

Fans have made it quite clear they DO NOT want a Prequal to the ME games so if they do make it a Prequal then ME4 will probably be the worst selling ME game to date.

THIS. So much THIS...

[in it for the lolz]

BSN's biggist s**tstorm (even bigger then the ending for ME 3) will hit if they did that (and if they canonized Synthesis, then you may have want to hide in the nearist bunker).

[BongMong]

The rigid concept of canon for such fictional universes is pretty useless. It's just a restriction. It's human nature to over rate such structural rules to reassure ourselves about our creative abilities. In reality the concept is important to understand only so it can act as counterpoint to the general air of disrespect for it in each individual story. Cohesion, as it turns out, is not so difficult an effect to produce and anything other than a tacit acceptance of canon quickly over-engineers the structure.

For a good genre compatible example, try watching a bit of Doctor Who. Absolute proof that less canon adherence = better.

Modifié par BongMong, 03 janvier 2013 - 07:16 .

[VLX11387]

Honestly... I'd rather bioware simply not acknowledge the original trilogy in any way shape or form. maybe one or two lines concerning the reaper war, if it's set further in the future, but that's it. I don't want to be reminded of the broken ending; I just want to focus on the new and improved universe because maybe then Bioware has a chance to redeem themselves.

There's a couple things they can do like expand on the whole Dark Matter problem (introduced in ME2) or expanding/exploring other galaxies ect.

[Fiddles dee dee]

VLX11387 wrote...

Honestly... I'd rather bioware simply not acknowledge the original trilogy in any way shape or form. maybe one or two lines concerning the reaper war, if it's set further in the future, but that's it. I don't want to be reminded of the broken ending; I just want to focus on the new and improved universe because maybe then Bioware has a chance to redeem themselves.

There's a couple things they can do like expand on the whole Dark Matter problem (introduced in ME2) or expanding/exploring other galaxies ect.

I tend to agree, I figure they will ignore it as much as is feasible. All the races will stick around (Rachni mysteriously absent from reference) and specifics will be omitted like the Krogan might be free from the genophage regardless as a cure was not far off when the choice came up in ME3. 

[fchopin]

Destroy ending is paragon op and not renegade.

[Vlk3]

Creating a game that follows the events of destroy ending wouldn't mean that destroy ending is canonized. Synthesis and Control change galaxy very much, therefore certain paths no longer exist. Shepalyst would not allow any danger to threathen the galaxy and synthesis is well..synthesis, everyone has green eyes, plants are glowing green, everyone understands each other and so. No place for a conflict, new challenges and such things, because everyone is perfect and they have now Reapers on their side.

Destroy leaves teh galaxy in bad shape, Reapers are gone, Leviathans are a threat, geth are gone, almost every race has to rebuild their civilisation. A lot of opportunities here, which makes the destroy ending the best for a sequel.

They can create next game following its events, but they doesn't have to say it's the only real outcome of ME trilogy. Certain things just does not happen after synthesis and control.

[Mims]

I love bioware, but I think people need to not think of the endings as such huge, unchangable events. If there's anything we've learned, its that each game continuing off of one another has a habit of 'toning down' events of the last. Think of the whole rachni queen situation. Before ME3, people went wild with speculations of how it could change the game. In the end...it kind of didn't mean anything.

For instance:
- You killed all the Quarians. -----> ME4 has a quarian character -----> If Quarians killed -----> Minor dialogue change. "I was the descendant of the last quarian ship..."
- You chose to destroy the reapers -------> ME4 needs a meeting with the reapers -------> Leviathans stand in, use same voice actor with different sound bites. [If that.]

Even synthesis can be handwaved in dialogue. I am not saything this is a good thing. But it is what people should be expecting if we go into this as a sequel that honors the past game. The only endings that wouldn't carry over would be refuse and low EMS destroy.

[shodiswe]

Han Shot First wrote...

Zakuspec089 wrote...

If they picked Destroy ending which everyone wants, I guess too because Shepard lived. I be disappointed. That what I didn't work for in the Mass Effect trilogy, I'm not a renegade. I know I tried and played different ways but I'm a Paragon. I hope they either add new endings or they let you import your save games.

Destroy is the paragon ending.

Anderson (a paragon) is the avatar for Destroy, and the best Destroy end is most easily achieved if the player chose to destroy the Collector Base (a paragon decision) in ME2.

In fact in an extremely low EMS playthrough, you'll only have one ending choice available to you. If you destroyed the Collector Base in ME2, only Destroy will be available. If you kept the Collector Base (a renegade decision), only Control will be available.

By every account it's a Renegade option. You are prepared to do anything and sacrifise people to get what you want, revenge. If a few billion dies as a side effect it's still worth it, because you get the result you wanted. Death penalty for the Reapers.
It may very well be what you set out to do, but it turned out to have previously unknown consequences. Destroyign the Geth is also Renegade, since you decide a species doesn't deserve to live even if all they did was defend themselves. We can't judge what they might have done a few hundred years ago when they, yet again, defended themselves as someone else was trying to kill them off. That Geth in that old recordign didn't want to get turned off or die.

A mass effect without the geth would loose some of it's appeal to me.

Modifié par shodiswe, 03 janvier 2013 - 07:38 .

[shodiswe]

Destroy has everlasting consequences while Control is sometihng that could erode over time, if the Leviathans attack they might wipe out every last reaper Shepard was controling.
Synthesis, my second favrite option also carries more permanent changes, and it's hard to judge if that future can give rise to an interesting story.
Control, is the option that stops the slaughter and restores galactic civilization and the relays.

[Lost Mercenary]

Anything but Synthesis.

[Cimeas]

Unless literally ALL SYNTHESIS DOES is turn people green, there's going to be some deeper effects. Frankly, I think they'll have to pick an ending and go with it. I think they *could* weasel their way out of doing so, but I think that would be a bad idea.