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[rapscallioness]

I don't care. I'm not attached to any of the endings anyway.

[Blacklce]

Canonizing the ending or making a prequel would be a perversion of all Mass Effect stands for: Player choice and countinty.

[Noobwood]

geroni24 wrote...

Noobwood wrote...

Shepard gone, Normandy gone, EDI gone, Geth's gone, Citadel gone, Mass relays gone, Most civilians gone, Infrastuctutres gone, Earth become a new "home" for multiple spicies cuz all fleets will be locked into Solar system.
That's happens, nothing more.

You have seen EC, right?

Yes, but it changes nothing, additional scenes isn't "actual future", it is "possible future"
Or you really think what they can restore relays and citadel???
Most people KIA in final battle and before, all infrastructure destroyed, Catalyst told Shepard what if s/he choose destruction, crucible does not distinguish Reapers from others.
Even by the most conservative estimates will need at least 50 years to recover at least some infrastructure.

So, all that additional scenes nothing more than a dream.

Modifié par Noobwood, 05 janvier 2013 - 08:53 .

[Urazz]

Arcian wrote...

Oh please stuff that hivemind BS somewhere else. Meaningful choice and consequence have been marketed as core features of the game since it was announced. It is well within my goddamn rights to expect something that has been promised. You see, people just doesn't hold out their hands and take whatever crap is given. Only slaves and fools do.

You have unrealistic expectations then.  Game companies are in the game making business to make money.  They aren't going to do something that is going cost them money or ensure they cant' make money. 

With this fact in mind you gotta realize that if a sequal is to be made they would have to canonize an ending.

You can't make sequals to a game with choices without eventually making some choices canon eventually.  Mainly due to the fact that the story would be able to in wildly different states from player to player and end in completely different ways.  You saw this happen in ME3 to an extent.  Do you think they could make a sequal with the way ME3 ended without making one ending canon?

The big thing is that it would cost way too much money and time to do it this way and no game company would be willing to do this.  Game companies need to make money and can't always give the customer what they want if it causes them to not make money.

If anything, I'm thinking a modified destroy ending where EDI and the Geth survived would be a good way to make a sequal.

[ZajoE38]

They would need to make 3 Mass Effect 4 games. Each for different ending. Because the very different endings shaped the galaxy dramatically. I worry about ME4.

[Zerker]

As I've said before, if they canonize destroy, they should bid the remnant civilizations against each other. I would love to see Mass Effect universe the old fashion way.

-I want that planet, its population was mostly human before the enemy harvested it.
-No, I want that planet cuz in my weakened state an alliance of pirates, slavers and hordes of mercenaries who remain untouched by the battle due to their cowardly seclusion in Terminus are trying to take advantage of my people, that planet has strategic value for the defense of my colonies.
-I have new and shiny weapons from the dead reaper shells I salvaged, DON'T F*CK WITH ME MAN.
-Oh yeah? I have the Turians covering my back, where is your buddies m8?
-Remember how one of my n7 operatives saved the Krogan race who YOU doomed to extinction once? Let's just say they are begging me to give them the green light for something, lol.
-Bring it on b*tch!
-It's your funeral.

GALAXY AT WAR BABY.

Modifié par Maddok900, 07 janvier 2013 - 06:03 .

[Dogaum]

Bring in a silent spectre! Allow us to play Asari, Turian, Quarian, whatever!
Mass Effect: Origins ftw!

[IC-07]

Meh, Destroy or prequel. I don't care much anymore.

[Dup3r]

Meh. If it follows what's happened before, it won't really matter. I mean, as a default choice, Wrex was killed. That pooches a lot of stuff in ME3. So I don't think that "cannon" matters, merely the story at hand.

We get what we get. Hopefully, it's reasonable.

Personally, I'm interested to see what characters will show up. I don't expect any of the old familiar one except in a cameo assuming, of course, that it's within a relative timeline. Liara might be the only exception to that.

Modifié par Dup3r, 07 janvier 2013 - 07:45 .

[Sir George Parr]

destroy ending and i'll take it from there. But i guess its a case of wait and see.

[Nigeta]

Mass Effect 4 should be like this:

- No prequel

- Direct sequel to Mass Effect 3

- Destroy ending established as canon

- Shepard lives (comatose during the rebuilding of the extended cut slideshow ending)

- Leviathan(s), creator(s) of the Catalyst who created the Reapers prepare themselves during the rebuilding of the galaxy to retake their place as the first or apex race of the galaxy making them the antagonists of Mass Effect 4 and beyond

- After rebuilding Shepard wakes up Leviathans attack and Mass Effect 4 starts.

[fchopin]

Parallel universe.

New character new companions similar universe with no reapers.

[michal9o90]

About first post, you are wrong man, paragon, mean you sacrificed hundreds of Hours, to get the best ending, which should mean HAPPY END, if not, there is no sense in romance, save raknii, krogan ect., If there is anything what's give you any chance for happy ending, is red ending, I would even say control and synthesis is exactly like renegade ending...WHY? because control mean possess power to dominate whole Galaxy, and this fits perfectly to renegade, you can't be sure shepard will control reapers forever, or either way he won't crazy after hundreds of years. And Synthesis ending? No one gave shepard the right to decide about such change, organic life is organic, and for some reason we was made as full organic, there can be a lot of voices of opposition, taking synthesis ending mean shepard don't care about consequences of this step, synthesis mean lack of individuality, the lack of diversity, diversity is the meaning of life, and thx to diversity we have this whole Universe, besides taking synthesis is a shortcut, its like give machines what they wanted, reapers was already synthetics, and That didn't bring anything good, they were synthetics and still they can't understand organic, This Extended Cut is Big Bull****, this is againts anything what we figth for, especially this Legion stuff If we take synthesis so he died for nothing, and synthesis way is Shortcut for Bioware, IF they could not come up with some good ending, so they shouldn't release this game.

If some people, races, anyone want to achieve something they have to work hard for better future and no any shortcut, In real life we still have wars out there, and we are ONE ORGANIC SPECIES, we know what other poeples feel and we still figth, and Bioware want to tell me in game that synthesis way will make so much change? Bull****, synthesis is only, shortcut way to understand one another Oranics and Machines, but that doesn't mean we already achieve peace. So still this green ending is more like for renegade, because he is doing all in shortcut way.

So only way for paragon is choose red ending, because only here we can create our own future with our own hands, no one decide for us, just stupid thing is taht crucible atack destroying geths, crucible atack should base only on reapers code, so should destroy only devices which contain reapers code

[eduardogranja]

At the beginning of ME2, Miranda asks you some of the choices you made at the end of ME1, because that part wasn't saved. What if they put some kind of "history class" that your character is answering, and you choose which ending is your option?

[The Heretic of Time]

Control as the canon ending? I'm all for it. Preferably the Renegade Control ending. I think that's the most interesting scenario for a sequel.

Destroy as the canon ending could work too. As long as Synthesis and Refuse aren't canon. Those 2 endings suck.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 09 janvier 2013 - 03:01 .

[The Heretic of Time]

michal9o90 wrote...

About first post, you are wrong man, paragon, mean you sacrificed hundreds of Hours, to get the best ending, which should mean HAPPY END, if not, there is no sense in romance, save raknii, krogan ect., If there is anything what's give you any chance for happy ending, is red ending, I would even say control and synthesis is exactly like renegade ending...WHY? because control mean possess power to dominate whole Galaxy, and this fits perfectly to renegade, you can't be sure shepard will control reapers forever, or either way he won't crazy after hundreds of years. And Synthesis ending? No one gave shepard the right to decide about such change, organic life is organic, and for some reason we was made as full organic, there can be a lot of voices of opposition, taking synthesis ending mean shepard don't care about consequences of this step, synthesis mean lack of individuality, the lack of diversity, diversity is the meaning of life, and thx to diversity we have this whole Universe, besides taking synthesis is a shortcut, its like give machines what they wanted, reapers was already synthetics, and That didn't bring anything good, they were synthetics and still they can't understand organic, This Extended Cut is Big Bull****, this is againts anything what we figth for, especially this Legion stuff If we take synthesis so he died for nothing, and synthesis way is Shortcut for Bioware, IF they could not come up with some good ending, so they shouldn't release this game.

If some people, races, anyone want to achieve something they have to work hard for better future and no any shortcut, In real life we still have wars out there, and we are ONE ORGANIC SPECIES, we know what other poeples feel and we still figth, and Bioware want to tell me in game that synthesis way will make so much change? Bull****, synthesis is only, shortcut way to understand one another Oranics and Machines, but that doesn't mean we already achieve peace. So still this green ending is more like for renegade, because he is doing all in shortcut way.

So only way for paragon is choose red ending, because only here we can create our own future with our own hands, no one decide for us, just stupid thing is taht crucible atack destroying geths, crucible atack should base only on reapers code, so should destroy only devices which contain reapers code

The Destroy ending is the most pragmatic and direct solution, where you destroy the reapers no matter what the cost, even if it means commiting genocide on the geth. The Renegade doesn't care. The Paragon does. A Paragon would never commit genocide if there are alternatives that do not require genocide.

Picking the Destroy ending is the Renegade thing to do. It's not Paragon at all. Period. Your headcanon doesn't change that.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 09 janvier 2013 - 03:05 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Nigeta wrote...

Mass Effect 4 should be like this:

- No prequel

- Direct sequel to Mass Effect 3

- Destroy ending established as canon

- Shepard lives (comatose during the rebuilding of the extended cut slideshow ending)

- Leviathan(s), creator(s) of the Catalyst who created the Reapers prepare themselves during the rebuilding of the galaxy to retake their place as the first or apex race of the galaxy making them the antagonists of Mass Effect 4 and beyond

- After rebuilding Shepard wakes up Leviathans attack and Mass Effect 4 starts.

That will never work for so many reasons.

1) ME3 is the end of Shepards story. No more Shepard. ME4 will be about a new protagonist.

2) The rebuilding of the galaxy takes decades, if not centuries. Shepard will be long death by the time the galaxy is rebuild.

3) The Grandpa Stargazer scene confirms this. They talk about "the shepherd". Shepard is long gone and is nothing more but a legend at this point.

4) Therefor: No Shepard in ME4. Unless Shepard chose Control and become the new Catalyst, in which case Shepard would be nothing more but an ghostly AI hologram in control of the reapers.

5) Which would actually be pretty damn cool in my opinion. A ghostly AI hologram Shepard as an NPC character, an almost oracle-like entity guiding and advicing our galactic leaders. An interesting scenario for an interesting story.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 09 janvier 2013 - 03:12 .

[Siven80]

I try to forget everything that happens after the Cerberus base personally (oh lets somehow get the Normandy near the beam with reapers around it, talk for a while and hope we dont get shot at....uurgh), so i kinda hope ME4 is set way way into the future where the known events on the ME3 ending have been forgotten and misinformed by time.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Maybe in the beggining of the game they'll put a screen like that:

What Ending did you chose in the Previous Game?

Control
Destroy
Synthesis
Refuse

Each one with it's own story arc, or it shouldn't matter, because maybe it will happen in a (very) distant future, so I think it won't matter

Or, it could be a Prequel

[requakenator]

what if you saved quarians and not the geths? that means no genocide in destroy, and no geths in the universe at all, whether you chose control, synthesis, refuse or destroy

that would mean no more mad machines or synthetics as main villians of the trilogy, right?

^if thats true, then Its hard to imagine what ME4's story will look like, imo.I got used to killing non organic beigns

Modifié par requakenator, 09 janvier 2013 - 05:11 .

[golak]

I_Jedi wrote...

PXXL wrote...

Kanaris wrote...

PXXL wrote...

what if ME4 takes place before the trilogy?

Fans have made it quite clear they DO NOT want a Prequal to the ME games so if they do make it a Prequal then ME4 will probably be the worst selling ME game to date.

if by fans you mean BSN then you might be right. I would like to see a prequel.

I will only tolerate an RTS prequel. An RPG prequel would make ME1 very much an "alternate timeline".

fully agree whit that, an RTS starcraft or a TPS/FPS Battlefront paste and copy would sell for a frew credits, all set in the past wars: Rebellion, first contact war ( that one would be short me thinks) and what els we had that i cant recall just now.

An action RPG would mean we  had to have Mass Effect Biotics of The Old Citadel space set 5.000- 10.000 years before TBE (the battle of earth) if anything, and that would mean we have to play as Protheans or some new species they what to take control over.

Edit: May as well go a bit on topic.

ZajoE38 wrote...

They would need to make 3 Mass Effect 4 games. Each for different ending. Because the very different endings shaped the galaxy dramatically. I worry about ME4.

Well whit the way ME3 was made it would go alittle something like what this guy whote:

Arcian wrote...

ME3:
Chose Destroy? You meet a geth that mentions it was built after the Reaper War. You also hear a news story about the anniversary of Shepard's natural death.
Chose Control? Random character mentions he is wondering where the Reapers have gone to.
Chose Synthesis? Random character not covered in green stuff mentions she's thinking about upgrading herself for the sake of her synthetic husband.

Here is me hopeing though, ME1 and ME2 is still the better games out there on the market, so they have to carry ME3 through the years to come.

Modifié par golak, 09 janvier 2013 - 08:56 .

[z_gun]

I'm going to stir the pot here and say it is a possible idea to implement the indoctrination theory. Yes I know it is a huge excuse, but at this point they would need a huge excuse to make these endings work for a sequel. If they do not want to canonize one of the four controversial endings, why not tie them back into a new singular ending with its own reasonably flexible outcomes?

Other than that, I don't think there is any one ending they could expand upon from the original that would please anyone. Especially Synthesis!

[z_gun]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Nigeta wrote...

Mass Effect 4 should be like this:

- No prequel

- Direct sequel to Mass Effect 3

- Destroy ending established as canon

- Shepard lives (comatose during the rebuilding of the extended cut slideshow ending)

- Leviathan(s), creator(s) of the Catalyst who created the Reapers prepare themselves during the rebuilding of the galaxy to retake their place as the first or apex race of the galaxy making them the antagonists of Mass Effect 4 and beyond

- After rebuilding Shepard wakes up Leviathans attack and Mass Effect 4 starts.

That will never work for so many reasons.

1) ME3 is the end of Shepards story. No more Shepard. ME4 will be about a new protagonist.

2) The rebuilding of the galaxy takes decades, if not centuries. Shepard will be long death by the time the galaxy is rebuild.

3) The Grandpa Stargazer scene confirms this. They talk about "the shepherd". Shepard is long gone and is nothing more but a legend at this point.

4) Therefor: No Shepard in ME4. Unless Shepard chose Control and become the new Catalyst, in which case Shepard would be nothing more but an ghostly AI hologram in control of the reapers.

5) Which would actually be pretty damn cool in my opinion. A ghostly AI hologram Shepard as an NPC character, an almost oracle-like entity guiding and advicing our galactic leaders. An interesting scenario for an interesting story.

Actually, Bioware did say that the Red Ending from the Extended Cut allows Shepard to live:

http://kotaku.com/59...f-mass-effect-3
http://social.biowar...758618#12758842

It does not mean he will be back for ME4, but that it is not set in stone that Shepard is dead. That's why the LI from the game hesitates to put his name on the memorial if you get the Shepard Lives ending.

I just honestly would prefer the Indoctrination Theory to be true at this point. Nothing from the current ending would be truly satisfactory on a whole because of how much programming it would take to try and account for how radically different all four endings are.

[garf]

I honestly don't think they should even bother. They threw the galaxy in the trash bin with ME 3, fine live with that choice. make something new.

oh wait. all the innovators at bioware have been removed in favour of EA suits... oh well.

See you the bargain bin... maybe.

[The Heretic of Time]

z_gun wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Nigeta wrote...

Mass Effect 4 should be like this:

- No prequel

- Direct sequel to Mass Effect 3

- Destroy ending established as canon

- Shepard lives (comatose during the rebuilding of the extended cut slideshow ending)

- Leviathan(s), creator(s) of the Catalyst who created the Reapers prepare themselves during the rebuilding of the galaxy to retake their place as the first or apex race of the galaxy making them the antagonists of Mass Effect 4 and beyond

- After rebuilding Shepard wakes up Leviathans attack and Mass Effect 4 starts.

That will never work for so many reasons.

1) ME3 is the end of Shepards story. No more Shepard. ME4 will be about a new protagonist.

2) The rebuilding of the galaxy takes decades, if not centuries. Shepard will be long death by the time the galaxy is rebuild.

3) The Grandpa Stargazer scene confirms this. They talk about "the shepherd". Shepard is long gone and is nothing more but a legend at this point.

4) Therefor: No Shepard in ME4. Unless Shepard chose Control and become the new Catalyst, in which case Shepard would be nothing more but an ghostly AI hologram in control of the reapers.

5) Which would actually be pretty damn cool in my opinion. A ghostly AI hologram Shepard as an NPC character, an almost oracle-like entity guiding and advicing our galactic leaders. An interesting scenario for an interesting story.

Actually, Bioware did say that the Red Ending from the Extended Cut allows Shepard to live:

http://kotaku.com/59...f-mass-effect-3
http://social.biowar...758618#12758842

It does not mean he will be back for ME4, but that it is not set in stone that Shepard is dead. That's why the LI from the game hesitates to put his name on the memorial if you get the Shepard Lives ending.

I just honestly would prefer the Indoctrination Theory to be true at this point. Nothing from the current ending would be truly satisfactory on a whole because of how much programming it would take to try and account for how radically different all four endings are.

The point, you missed it....

I never denied that Shepard lives in the Destroy ending. I merely states why Nigeta's idea wouldn't work and why we shouldn't expect to play as Commander Shepard in ME4.


And the Indoctrination Theory is just fanon and it's not gonna happen. People should just give up on that "theory" by now, it would be better for their mental health.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 10 janvier 2013 - 12:47 .