512 réponses à ce sujet

[Jadebaby]

Hey, I'm usually pretty good...

[xsdob]

Not sleeping for 24 hours, having to catch 3 connecting flights, spending half a day in three airports with no time to rest due to flight delays, and finding out when I got home that I needed to shovel a foot of snow and that I had to throw out half the stuff in my fridge, has more than damped my mood as of now.

Modifié par xsdob, 03 janvier 2013 - 09:38 .

[Jadebaby]

xsdob wrote...

Not sleeping for 24 hours, having to catch 3 connecting flights, spending half a day in three airports with no time to rest due to flight delays, and finding out when I got home that I needed to shovel a foot of snow and that I had to throw out half the stuff in my fridge, has more than damped my mood as of now.

I know we never really agree on anything, but I like you. So here..

https://encrypted-tb...VXWZbpHfytE7WHQ
I hope this helps

[Rodia Driftwood]

xAmilli0n wrote...

ME3 didn't need a boss fight, but the fact that they used "it's too videogamey" as an excuse is ridiculous. Just look at the Rannoch reaper battle. Pretty much exact what they said they wanted to avoid.

Exactly THIS. It made me furious just how pretentious that line was. IT'S A VIDEOGAME! What's more "videogamey" than a videogame? I honstly wish I were in the same room as Casey Hudson when he said that.

A final boss in a videogame is not intrinsical for the game's ending to be satisfactory, but if it doesn't have one, the ending itself has to be very well-written and executed. The ending we got, both th original and the Extended Cut, sadly, were not.

[xsdob]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Not sleeping for 24 hours, having to catch 3 connecting flights, spending half a day in three airports with no time to rest due to flight delays, and finding out when I got home that I needed to shovel a foot of snow and that I had to throw out half the stuff in my fridge, has more than damped my mood as of now.

I know we never really agree on anything, but I like you. So here..

https://encrypted-tb...VXWZbpHfytE7WHQ
I hope this helps

That does.

Sorry if I act like a jerk sometimes, I just feel very passonate in my views and get carried away.

[VLX11387]

My idea for the final boss fight: Shepherd struggles to get to the teleport device and instead of beaming him to the citadel, it beams him directly inside of Harbinger where he has to fight not only an army of husks but also heavy ass indoctrination attempts from Harbinger himself. He taunts you the whole time, humanoid husks turn into hallucinations even going as far as taking on the appearance of important characters in the series, especially your squadmates.

Fighting his way through, EDI eventually gets a hold of him telling him how to shut down and sabotage Harbinger. With each component Harbinger becomes less capable in the space battle which it rejoins and starts taking on visible damage.

That's all I got going in my head but I thought it would be a neat idea if that's how the "boss fight" went.

[Lazengan]

xsdob wrote...

I suspect that in DA3 we will get a horrible and tacked on boss fight at the end that shouldn't be there at all due to fan complaints on these forums.

And it will be complained about, mocked, and referenced with just as much gusto as the too videogamey line.

Also when you bring up that fans demanded more boss fights, you'll get shouted with tons of post from fans who are like "I didn't specifically request this, you shouldn't generalize, blah blah blah" and than immediately generalize you, your views, and bioware.

Because internet.

I think Dragon Age is an appropriate game to have a boss fight

[Grubas]

i like to see the draft in my profile realised. It has just the amount of decision/consequences ratio as it has a balanced gameplay/cutscene relationship, i was hoping for on my first playthrough. Its also the reason why my first playthrough was my most enjoyable one.

there you have a TIM bossfight, that makes sense.

Modifié par Grubas, 03 janvier 2013 - 06:08 .

[David7204]

Grubas wrote...

i like to see the draft in my profile realised. It has just the amount of decision/consequences ratio as it has a balanced gameplay/cutscene relationship, i was hoping for on my first playthrough. Its also the reason why my first playthrough was my most enjoyable one.

there you have a TIM bossfight, that makes sense.

This draft really adds very little. It doesn't fix any issues, it just avoids them entirely. The only real changes I see are the fleets being beefed up, Synthesis and the Catalyst being removed along with any explanation for the Reapers, a possible fight with the Illusive Man, and Shepard and Anderson surviving.

None of that really deals with the issues. It's just a quick fix. Making the fleets a lot stronger and whatnot.

[Someone With Mass]

TheWerdna wrote...

Whats more facepalmy is that after that statement he goes on to say that they didn't want to have us fight some big tenticled creature that would come out of nowhere to be the boss of the game.

*looks at Harbinger appearing out of nowhere for the beam run*.

/facedesk

Indeed. God forbid that the leader of the main enemy of the trilogy gets any attention in the last chapter.

[clarkusdarkus]

Dunno man, the boss's in God of war against the gods was pretty damn entertaining, it's a formula that works, battling against your adversary, testing your skills as thats why we level up dont we, not just to shoot cerby drones surely? Couldnt imagine having a conversation with sephiroth at the end if ff7......then they're was emerald and ruby weapon to test yourself......even way back on the master system with aztec adventure or cloud master, just feel with making a statement like that he see's himself above such trivial things yet kai leng could be considered a boss..... If u want a talkathon then play heavy rain and then have debates whether your playing a game or not.

[Grubas]

David7204 wrote...

Grubas wrote...
i like to see the draft in my profile realised. It has just the amount of decision/consequences ratio as it has a balanced gameplay/cutscene relationship, i was hoping for on my first playthrough. Its also the reason why my first playthrough was my most enjoyable one.
there you have a TIM bossfight, that makes sense.

This draft really adds very little. It doesn't fix any issues, it just avoids them entirely. The only real changes I see are the fleets being beefed up, Synthesis and the Catalyst being removed along with any explanation for the Reapers, a possible fight with the Illusive Man, and Shepard and Anderson surviving.

None of that really deals with the issues. It's just a quick fix. Making the fleets a lot stronger and whatnot.

This draft makes your decisions matter. Its one if not thebiggest issue.  The fleets need to be strong if they plan on engaging the reapers in the first place. Lol you can add any explanation, even dark energy, and removing catalyst and synthesis is what this board is asking for since march. you really live behind the moon, dont you?

Modifié par Grubas, 03 janvier 2013 - 08:15 .

[Ridwan]

Liamv2 wrote...

Boss fights are always bad i don't know why people want them. It is the best thing ME3 did

I demand to see your gamer card.

[ObserverStatus]

J. Reezy wrote...

Liamv2 wrote...
Boss fights are always bad i don't know why people want them. It is the best thing ME3 did

... What kind of video games did you play growing up? They must've been horrible.

Obviously the poor fool has never played any Metroid games.

[Straw Nihilist]

bobobo878 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Liamv2 wrote...
Boss fights are always bad i don't know why people want them. It is the best thing ME3 did

... What kind of video games did you play growing up? They must've been horrible.

Obviously the poor fool has never played any Metroid games.

what would the final fantasy games be if not for their OTT boss fights, son... Break yo'self

[ZLurps]

bobobo878 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Liamv2 wrote...
Boss fights are always bad i don't know why people want them. It is the best thing ME3 did

... What kind of video games did you play growing up? They must've been horrible.

Obviously the poor fool has never played any Metroid games.

While not Liamv2 I'm someone who started playing computer games in the 80's with the Commodore 64. I have probably tried thousand games, wasted hours to hundreds and went through hundreds as well. I have beat some end bosses during these years.

I have played some console games as well and really, gotta say I don't see how bullet sponges like mid and end bosses from FF VII or FF VIII made ME3 any better. Different elements work for different types of games better and I gotta say I'm glad you weren't designing boss fights for ME3 because your understanding about what works and where ****ing sucks.

****ing n00bs.

[ZLurps]

butler241 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

While not Liamv2 I'm someone who started playing computer games in the 80's with the Commodore 64. I have probably tried thousand games, wasted hours to hundreds and went through hundreds as well. I have beat some end bosses during these years.

I have played some console games as well and really, gotta say I don't see how bullet sponges like mid and end bosses from FF VII or FF VIII made ME3 any better. Different elements work for different types of games better and I gotta say I'm glad you weren't designing boss fights for ME3 because your understanding about what works and where ****ing sucks.

****ing n00bs.

hee hee stupid nerd 

That might be...

But seriously, boss fights originate from old arcade machines (that I also played back in the day). The general idea was not so much to offer climax to player but make certain sequences so difficult that player needed keep feeding coins into machine. Difficult to see how that have much place in settings like ME universe.

Modifié par ZLurps, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:06 .

[xsdob]

Lazengan wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I suspect that in DA3 we will get a horrible and tacked on boss fight at the end that shouldn't be there at all due to fan complaints on these forums.

And it will be complained about, mocked, and referenced with just as much gusto as the too videogamey line.

Also when you bring up that fans demanded more boss fights, you'll get shouted with tons of post from fans who are like "I didn't specifically request this, you shouldn't generalize, blah blah blah" and than immediately generalize you, your views, and bioware.

Because internet.

I think Dragon Age is an appropriate game to have a boss fight

"Oh no! The white divines turned into a 5 headed dragon that breaths anti-magic and needs to be killed with quicktime events."

Why? Because boss fights.

Same reason orsino needed to turn into a flesh golem or meredith had to get super powers and bring statues to life. We couldn't have a showdown with words and make them stand down, we had to have boss fights at the end of the game. And not even 1 boss fight either, we needed 2, because you dawg, I heard ya like boss fights so we put a boss fight after your boss fight so you can boss fight and than boss fight.

Modifié par xsdob, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:39 .

[Creepter]

The "it's too video gamey" line is one of the most pretentious things I've ever read. The counter "Well, what exactly is it you think that you're developing?" pops straight up to mind.

But in all fairness, I can agree with it to an extent. We dealt with The Illusive Man in a way that suited him; it would've been silly if he had gone the Resident Evil route and transformed into a giant monster for no reason other then to have a boss fight.

But a boss fight can be more creative then "just shoot it until it falls down". They could've dealt with Harbinger, or any Reaper for that matter, in any way other then just running around pushing buttons.


But what really boggles my mind is that the game, before EC at least, would give you a game over screen if you waited too long before you made up your decision at the Catalyst. Boss fights are too video gamey but a standard "Game Over!" screen is apparently fully acceptable. Idiotic.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Creepter wrote...

The "it's too video gamey" line is one of the most pretentious things I've ever read. The counter "Well, what exactly is it you think that you're developing?" pops straight up to mind.

But in all fairness, I can agree with it to an extent. We dealt with The Illusive Man in a way that suited him; it would've been silly if he had gone the Resident Evil route and transformed into a giant monster for no reason other then to have a boss fight.

But a boss fight can be more creative then "just shoot it until it falls down". They could've dealt with Harbinger, or any Reaper for that matter, in any way other then just running around pushing buttons.


But what really boggles my mind is that the game, before EC at least, would give you a game over screen if you waited too long before you made up your decision at the Catalyst. Boss fights are too video gamey but a standard "Game Over!" screen is apparently fully acceptable. Idiotic.

This.