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[LobselVith8]

hhh89 wrote...

Zardoc was talking about her personality. Regardless, there are people here (even non pro-mages people) that would call an apostate a normal person, myself included. It depends on the apostate's personality, as it depends for every other characters in the games. 

You seem to be taking that comment I made quite seriously. It wasn't intended as such.

[Celene II]

I was not talking about twilight That book is so 5 years ago. I was talking about the new book people like to mock. 50 shades of grey and no im not talking about crazy implausible too smutty for words relationships in a bioware game who seem to be a bit prudish. I was just talking about a little difference in romance.

Not every romance can be or should be the loving tender hallmark channel stereotypical romance.

My power hungry blood mage is not going to act like a character from the Notebook
My slightly off rogue is not going to treat or want to be treated like characters from Love Actually.

If they can include Brokeback Mountain in Dragon Age origins, why cant they include 9 1/2 weeks in DA:I?

[nightscrawl]

Xewaka wrote...

Why do you think he still has the corpses lying about?
Also, consider this: in a game with a very short development time and heavily scripted companion dialogue cinematics, they chose to focus on Fenris drinking alone in the mansion for more than half of them. They are trying to communicate something with that.

More than half? If you're just talking about his dialogs inside the mansion there are five: the one in Act 1 (shown drinking), two in Act 2 (1/2 shown drinking), and two in Act 3 (no drinking). This also does not include the three additional optional dialogs post-fade and Book of Shartan gift in Act 2 and giving him the Blade of Mercy in Act 3, which also take place inside the mansion.

In addition, both of those scenes were what you might call momentous occasions, since it is just after you recruit Fenris in Act 1 and that whole incident, and on the anniversary of his escape in Act 2, where he consumes the last of the wine.

I will admit that he likes to drink by the fact of his gift of wine you can click on in Hawke's mansion, but doesn't necessarily mean he is an "alcoholic" as many people on the forums have styled him.

At any rate, let's move on. I've derailed the thread enough with this. I won't be convinced of anything unless DG says it is so.

katamuro wrote...

... or inanimate objects.

David Gaider wrote...

People make a lot of requests, particularly when it comes to romance. Heck, if we mentioned that we'd added a mailbox into the game someone would request a romance with it.

Celene II wrote...

If they can include Brokeback Mountain in Dragon Age origins, why cant they include 9 1/2 weeks in DA:I?

Is that Brokeback Mountain thing just because of the tents in DAO? That book/movie was depressing as hell. The possible outcome of the Anders romance wasn't depressing enough?

Modifié par nightscrawl, 04 janvier 2013 - 11:02 .

[Dhiro]

Celene II wrote...

I was not talking about twilight That book is so 5 years ago. I was talking about the new book people like to mock. 50 shades of grey and no im not talking about crazy implausible too smutty for words relationships in a bioware game who seem to be a bit prudish. I was just talking about a little difference in romance.

Not every romance can be or should be the loving tender hallmark channel stereotypical romance.

My power hungry blood mage is not going to act like a character from the Notebook
My slightly off rogue is not going to treat or want to be treated like characters from Love Actually.

If they can include Brokeback Mountain in Dragon Age origins, why cant they include 9 1/2 weeks in DA:I?

That's impressive, do you have a video? I think I missed the cowboys the first time I played. Do they come with a free hat?

[Xewaka]

Dhiro wrote...
That's impressive, do you have a video? I think I missed the cowboys the first time I played. Do they come with a free hat?

Hats are Serious Business. Team Fortress 2 taught me so.

[Swagger7]

Responding to the OP: Ew no thank you, I don't want BDSM anywhere near my games. It's perfectly fine that some people enjoy that sort of power play in their sex lives in the real world, but I'm not one of them. To me interest in BDSM is like foot fetishes: incomprehensible and gross. Again, if that's your thing by all means enjoy it, but let's keep the sex scenes ingame generic enough that we can leave room for roleplaying and not dictate the favorite sex acts of our PCs. If there's controversy, it should be in the relationships themselves, not the sex.

Why is it that whenever a fictional story covers "forbidden love" it's never something that's actually taboo in our modern society? It's always a taboo that either no longer exists (different classes, different races) or is fantastical (vampires, blood mages). Speaking of which, I'd like to touch on the whole incest thing. So far the talk has all been about sibling incest, which I certainly object to. Even if you manage to ignore the Westermark Effect (the extent of which is actually disputed by a number of studies) siblings mating will almost always produce horribly defective offspring. On the other hand, while most westerners view cousin incest as being just as gross, there are sizable parts of the world where sexual relations between cousins are accepted, even when we're talking about first cousins. Unlike with siblings, cousin relationships only add a slightly greater chance for birth defects, equivalent to having children in middle age. Multiple generations of cousin marriage can add up though, which is likely why the practice became taboo in large parts of the world. Scientifically speaking, there's no real reason why two cousins shouldn't marry and have children if they both feel attracted to one another. Will this taboo vanish someday, to join the ranks of past forms of forbidden love? Or is it here to stay?

[Fraq Hound]

We went through this in DA2 with Bethany. Bioware has no interest in putting incest into their games and I can't say I blame them as it's socially unacceptable and would only serve to push away a portion of their target audience.

Personally, incest bothers me about as little as homosexuality does. I wouldn't mind seeing it in a Dragon Age game, especially since it would fit right in with the time period and tone of the universe.

Not terribly bothered either way.

I'd put up a little fight for it where DA2 is concerned as I wasn't overly fond of Isabella or Merrill and Bethany was awesome.

No reason to bring it up for DA:I though.

Surprised this thread made it this long without a lock.

Modifié par Fraq Hound, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:23 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Mmm, no.

If there's a well-written character arc that happens to contain incest, BDSM, or something considered socially deviant, then fine. If it's just there for the "shock" value, f*** that.

[Herr Uhl]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

He acted like every straight guy does to every girl who is nice to them?

This just in: straight guys who aren't led by their D aren't straight anymore?

The same for girls. Straight and gay (male and female).

Anders' inability to keep it in his pants is not "normal," and still wouldn't be if he was straight.

Because nobody ever tries to ask people that they're attracted to out and never feel hurt if denied.

It is fairly normal.

[Bizantura]

America is a strange country when it comes to the sex subject. In that sense I find it sad that that country also has the biggest market in selling games. I never understood that a game like the Witcher2 got released over there. I certainly hope that the relationships in DA3 are written with adults in mind because if it has to be like DA2 then for me at least they can leave it out all together. I think it is crazy that like in the ME series aliens can go naked but the human race is portrayed like the shyest race encountered.

[The Hierophant]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Bizantura wrote...

America is a strange country when it comes to the sex subject. In that sense I find it sad that that country also has the biggest market in selling games. I never understood that a game like the Witcher2 got released over there. I certainly hope that the relationships in DA3 are written with adults in mind because if it has to be like DA2 then for me at least they can leave it out all together. I think it is crazy that like in the ME series aliens can go naked but the human race is portrayed like the shyest race encountered.

You're kidding, right? DA ][ had the most mature romance scenes in any Bioware game I've played (from KotOR on, except JE). We're telling a story here, not writing smut. If it isn't sex as plot, it doesn't belong (a la DA:O).

What do you mean a la DA:O?

[Firky]

Celene II wrote...

I remember the outrage of the first same sex relationship in a bioware game and the free publicity and attention it gained Bioware.

I guess I'd ask -

What was the first gay relationship in a BioWare game? In Jade Empire, maybe?

What outrage?

(Maybe there was outrage. It was certainly outside my experience, in which I didn't even notice that Origins had gay/bi relationships until I started reading positive blogs on the subject. It was like that early Sims expansion that quietly allowed for guys/guys and gals/gals, that no-one seemed to even notice for ages. In my experience.)

Publicity? Like word of mouth advertising for the game?

I'm not disputing this statement, necessarily, but including relationships for shock value, based on this statement doesn't make a lot of sense. Including diverse and controversial relationships, based on their own merit, like within the story, or whatever, might be a different thing.

[Bizantura]

The Hierophant wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Bizantura wrote...

America is a strange country when it comes to the sex subject. In that sense I find it sad that that country also has the biggest market in selling games. I never understood that a game like the Witcher2 got released over there. I certainly hope that the relationships in DA3 are written with adults in mind because if it has to be like DA2 then for me at least they can leave it out all together. I think it is crazy that like in the ME series aliens can go naked but the human race is portrayed like the shyest race encountered.

You're kidding, right? DA ][ had the most mature romance scenes in any Bioware game I've played (from KotOR on, except JE). We're telling a story here, not writing smut. If it isn't sex as plot, it doesn't belong (a la DA:O).

What do you mean a la DA:O?

And a touchy subject.  
DA:O I would call indeed for adults DA2 to my perception is for very young teens.  So on a very personal note I enjoyed DA:O very much.  In DA2 I skip the whole relations thing because the infantile bantering is very ennoying too me.

I am glad however others enjoy it.

[HTTP 404]

ramp what up? I don't mind the inclusion of any type of love relationship in bioware games, I just don't want it to be the main focus in the game. I am FAAAAR more interested in the relationships with everyone, being able to have my character have in-depth strong relationships with some of the companions without it being Sexual.

My challenge to bioware is to increase the depth of relationships WITHOUT it being sexual.

Modifié par HTTP 404, 04 janvier 2013 - 10:54 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Give us broodmother and desire demon romances. Remove everything else.

[Fraq Hound]

EntropicAngel wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

What do you mean a la DA:O?

The sex scenes in DALO were meaningless. They weren't plot, and they weren't character-defining. They were cutscenes of people wanking onscreen--unnecessary.

In DA ][, the romance scenes aren't about sex. They're about the people. They're character defining.

Calling it DA][ is extremely confusing... I thought it was a typo until you did it again. Then I realized what you were doing.

DA2 or if you really must use roman numerals then it would be DAII.

Jus' Sayin'.

There's nothing wrong with people wanking. That's what people do.

If they didn't ******, there wouldn't be any people left.

The sex scenes in DA:O were terrible. They were essentially two characters dry humping to epic music.

I have no problem with nudity or sex in video games and frankly I wish more games had it, but only if you are going to handle it correctly. Either go all out or don't go there.

DAII is probably the best they have done thus far.

[Fraq Hound]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Nah, if you look at the game's font the two digits have little bars going out at the top and bottom, thus ][.

Yea, I get that.

Those two digits are the Roman Numeral for the number 2.

However that is not written as, "][" but as, "II". The same way that the number 10 isn't written as, "><" but as, "X".

Thus, confusing.

Modifié par Fraq Hound, 04 janvier 2013 - 11:18 .

[Fraq Hound]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Fraq Hound wrote...

Yea, I get that.

Those two digits are the Roman Numal for the number 2.

However that is not written as, "][" but as, "II". The same way that the number 10 isn't written as, "><" but as, "X".

Thus, confusing.

But they aren't. Neither has the inner bars. It's just like



The clear emphasis is on the outer bars.

But anyway, at least you understand it now.

Just because they stylized the Roman Numeral doesn't mean it isn't a Roman Numeral anymore.

If you want to be literal about this, what you are insinuating is that Dragon Age 2 is not really called Dragon Age 2 but instead, "Dragon Age Square Brackets." I sincerely hope that you can prove this to be true as it would be hilarious.

I apologize. I need to just let it go as it's a very stupid thing to argue over. Like I said, I understood what you were doing before I even pointed it out. I was just trying to let you know that it was confusing.

Modifié par Fraq Hound, 04 janvier 2013 - 11:31 .

[spirosz]

What am I reading, enlighten me.