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[aM1ty]

 Please keep in mind I beat ME3 for the first time ever with the Extended Cut DLC Installed.

I just basically did a suicide run over the past week playing ME1, 2 and 3 in a row. It has quickly become my favourite video game series of all time. One of the things I loved about Mass Effect was the conclusion it had. Shepard died a hero, at least from the "major decision" I picked, and had to sacrifice everything he's built and loved in order to save Humanity. Please tell me what was so horrible about that? Why was that worth changing? Is it only because I played the Extended Cut that I actually enjoyed the conclusion to the Shepard trilogy?

I need answers!

[ediskrad327]

well the original had your crew stranded on Jurassic Park for the rest of their lives and the Relays went Kaboom beyond repair. sadly holo kid was still there

Modifié par ediskrad327, 03 janvier 2013 - 08:38 .

[Jadebaby]

Nihilism.

[AchesOfDoom]

Simplicity.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

It's good that you were able to pick an ending that satisfied you, specifically the one were you had your shepard sacrifice his or herself.

Now I want you to go back and do research, and look up all of the endings to see how many endings kill off shepard, and how many let him live. You do that, and you'll know one of the reasons why a bunch of us are riled up.

Also the fact that the ending had the "main" unknown atagonist be introduced in the last 10 minutes, with his conversation being near borderline incoherent rambling.

And then go look up all of the developer quotes that mention the ending.

Maybe you might like the ending, but you do all of the above and you'll understand our stance on the issue as well.

[Kazzuuk]

I'm in a similar position. I played the entire series for the first time shortly after the EC was released. I wanted to play the series before, but just didn't get around to it (In my 30's now, real life obligations, etc). That being said, I'm on my 6th play through of the series. Having been able to play the complete series from start to finish on the first play through offers a very different perspective I imagine than those who waited 5+ years from start to finish. There are many people who, due to the 5+ years of time invested, would not like any ending that did not fit their own personal "head cannon". It's just human nature.

Also, please keep in mind this is the internet. The opinions on a game's own message board will be varied, but slanted towards the most biased and fanatical of that game's fanbase.

[Pantanplan]

Because the choices the Catalyst gives you don't make sense. How does Synthesis work? How does controlling the Reapers solve the AI problem? And also, the shift from "Shepard has to save the galaxy" to "Shepard has to solve an ancient AI solve a million-years-old problem".

[Fur28]

Also try to make sense on how Control and Synthesis work, they introduced magic in a science game.

Some of the hate it´s also to the entire final mission, wich felt like a typical schoter mission, where none of your decisions chaged it in any way. Only good thing are the final goodbyes

Modifié par Fur28, 03 janvier 2013 - 08:52 .

[Fur28]

Kazzuuk wrote...

I'm in a similar position. I played the entire series for the first time shortly after the EC was released. I wanted to play the series before, but just didn't get around to it (In my 30's now, real life obligations, etc). That being said, I'm on my 6th play through of the series. Having been able to play the complete series from start to finish on the first play through offers a very different perspective I imagine than those who waited 5+ years from start to finish. There are many people who, due to the 5+ years of time invested, would not like any ending that did not fit their own personal "head cannon". It's just human nature.
 

IMO, it did not fit the series, thats why i hated it.

[Jadebaby]

Kazzuuk wrote...

I'm in a similar position. I played the entire series for the first time shortly after the EC was released. I wanted to play the series before, but just didn't get around to it (In my 30's now, real life obligations, etc). That being said, I'm on my 6th play through of the series. Having been able to play the complete series from start to finish on the first play through offers a very different perspective I imagine than those who waited 5+ years from start to finish. There are many people who, due to the 5+ years of time invested, would not like any ending that did not fit their own personal "head cannon". It's just human nature.

Also, please keep in mind this is the internet. The opinions on a game's own message board will be varied, but slanted towards the most biased and fanatical of that game's fanbase.

So much ignorance in this post.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 03 janvier 2013 - 09:16 .

[Kazzuuk]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, please keep in mind this is the internet. The opinions on a game's own message board will be varied, but slanted towards the most biased and fanatical of that game's fanbase.

So much ignorance in this post.

You actually proved my point, thank you

Modifié par Kazzuuk, 03 janvier 2013 - 08:58 .

[Spartan6606]

It was bad partially yes because most of us saw it without extended cut, but also just because it took away the personal touch from the game. While shepard sacrificing himself to save everyone is a cool idea and should have been an option there is no option for those of us that wanted exactly what we expected. I wanted him to kill the reapers with a giant gun and then to retire. Instead some little holigram kid had me sacrifice myself and my crew got stranded on some stupid planet with like little weird glowing synthetic veins or something. It was a bad ending, because it should have been based on what you did before who you were and how prepared not on one big decision at the end. Also yeah without the extended cut it was just so fast and unexplained that during the credits I wasn't even sure it was over.

[Kazzuuk]

Spartan6606 wrote...

It was bad partially yes because most of us saw it without extended cut, but also just because it took away the personal touch from the game. While shepard sacrificing himself to save everyone is a cool idea and should have been an option there is no option for those of us that wanted exactly what we expected. I wanted him to kill the reapers with a giant gun and then to retire. Instead some little holigram kid had me sacrifice myself and my crew got stranded on some stupid planet with like little weird glowing synthetic veins or something. It was a bad ending, because it should have been based on what you did before who you were and how prepared not on one big decision at the end. Also yeah without the extended cut it was just so fast and unexplained that during the credits I wasn't even sure it was over.

I watched on youtube the original ending pre EC to see what the fuss what about, and I would agree on one major point, it is so abrupt.  I think I would've been very disappointed as well.  To the OP's point though, never having had the pre EC ending really does alter your perception more than I think most veterans here realize.

[Han Shot First]

In the original endings there weren't a lot of differences between the Control, Synthesis, and Destroy endings.

In Destroy you'd see the Reapers fall over dead, and in Control or Synthesis they would simply depart the Earth. The only real difference was that in the cutscenes you got a different color explosion, and in Synthesis characters had that green glowy stuff on their skin when departing the Normandy.

Also in the original cut there was no hopeful voice over. You just see the relays get destroyed, the Normandy shipwrecked on Eden (and its crew presumably stranded), and then a voice over by the Stargazer to the child, that implies that the galaxy entered a technological dark age. (information decay and a loss of ability to space travel)

In short, in the original endings the game wrapped up with a scorched Earth ending where Shepard destroys galactic civilization to save organic life. The relays are destroyed beyond repair and each civilization is cut off permanently from the others.

The EC retconned that a bit, and galactic civilization no longer collapses. The relays merely get damaged, and are repaired within Hackett's lifetime.

[Remanentmoss01]

if Shepard had to die he should have went out in a blaze of glory (taking Harbinger with him) not meekly commiting suicide on the word of some jack in the box that pops up out of nowhere with 5 minutes of the game left

[thepimpto]

The original ending and I believe the Extended Cut failed to meet fan expectations. A lot was promised which quite a few of us feel was that Bioware didn't follow through on. The "Artistic Integrity" defense ruffled a few feathers, as some fans will say the ending is borderline plagiarism.

[Spartan6606]

Kazzuuk wrote...

Spartan6606 wrote...

It was bad partially yes because most of us saw it without extended cut, but also just because it took away the personal touch from the game. While shepard sacrificing himself to save everyone is a cool idea and should have been an option there is no option for those of us that wanted exactly what we expected. I wanted him to kill the reapers with a giant gun and then to retire. Instead some little holigram kid had me sacrifice myself and my crew got stranded on some stupid planet with like little weird glowing synthetic veins or something. It was a bad ending, because it should have been based on what you did before who you were and how prepared not on one big decision at the end. Also yeah without the extended cut it was just so fast and unexplained that during the credits I wasn't even sure it was over.

I watched on youtube the original ending pre EC to see what the fuss what about, and I would agree on one major point, it is so abrupt.  I think I would've been very disappointed as well.  To the OP's point though, never having had the pre EC ending really does alter your perception more than I think most veterans here realize.

Maybe that has a lot to do with it. They really just kind of blindsighted us one minute im charging the realy expecting a huge boss battle the next everyone part robot and I can't even tell who died. Would still really love A rescue DLC or for the sequel to involve saving shepard or something.

[Outsider edge]

Kazzuuk wrote...

Spartan6606 wrote...

It was bad partially yes because most of us saw it without extended cut, but also just because it took away the personal touch from the game. While shepard sacrificing himself to save everyone is a cool idea and should have been an option there is no option for those of us that wanted exactly what we expected. I wanted him to kill the reapers with a giant gun and then to retire. Instead some little holigram kid had me sacrifice myself and my crew got stranded on some stupid planet with like little weird glowing synthetic veins or something. It was a bad ending, because it should have been based on what you did before who you were and how prepared not on one big decision at the end. Also yeah without the extended cut it was just so fast and unexplained that during the credits I wasn't even sure it was over.

I watched on youtube the original ending pre EC to see what the fuss what about, and I would agree on one major point, it is so abrupt.  I think I would've been very disappointed as well.  To the OP's point though, never having had the pre EC ending really does alter your perception more than I think most veterans here realize.

The original endings were just a focus point for complaints. After that it became obvious Mass Effect 3 had alot more problems with it's narrative. That's why the EC albeit decently executing a touch up of the original ending hasn't stopped the complaints. The Catalyst is still present in the EC ending and there's a myriad of narrative problems connected too that character. The Crucible is still an obvious plotdevice that leads too certain choices that are so farfetched it defeats suspension of disbelief (like synthesis).

There are people that like the current endings though so your definately not alone far from it. On facevalue the EC endings are very decent with a good epilogue.

[drayfish]

If you enjoyed the game then I suggest you just go on enjoying it. There is no need to intentionally try to poison the pleasure that it gave you - believe me, I wish that I could be in your shoes.

If you still want to know why some (certainly not all) people dislike the ending, there is a lot of good discussion and analysis (both before and after the EC) covering the artistic and moral implications of the conclusion in this thread:

http://social.biowar...ndex/11435886/1

But again - if you liked it, I suggest just holding on to that sensation.

Modifié par drayfish, 03 janvier 2013 - 09:29 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Nihilism.

Stupidity... in the other words...


To OP: 

For me personaly it´s that irrational crap in the endings, I would be in peace if Shepard would died in the end but with some logical conclusion. The message in the original ending was both so open ended and also distinct, one part was saying that whatever choice have you made the galaxy will be changed forever and the other message was so unfinished, stupid and irrational that beats previous.

I thought that endings couldn´t be worse but they have managed it, it´s like olympics games for retards. EC is retcon in many ways and they have finished what was unfinished or they tried to do it - but filling questions with more questions isn´t good way to conclude your bad writing.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 03 janvier 2013 - 09:25 .

[xsdob]

The endings are bad becasue people didn't like them, and because people didn't like them, it is automatically bad.

[Jadebaby]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Kazzuuk wrote...

I'm in a similar position. I played the entire series for the first time shortly after the EC was released. I wanted to play the series before, but just didn't get around to it (In my 30's now, real life obligations, etc). That being said, I'm on my 6th play through of the series. Having been able to play the complete series from start to finish on the first play through offers a very different perspective I imagine than those who waited 5+ years from start to finish. There are many people who, due to the 5+ years of time invested, would not like any ending that did not fit their own personal "head cannon". It's just human nature.

Also, please keep in mind this is the internet. The opinions on a game's own message board will be varied, but slanted towards the most biased and fanatical of that game's fanbase.

So much ignorance in this post.

You had no point, your logic is completely and utterly fallable and your assumptions are so full of crap that I'm suspecting you're just a troll.

Oh, and it's "canon."

[VLX11387]

It's bad because it doesn't flow well at all compared to the rest of the game. Seriously, look into actual writing structure and you will see just how flawed the ending of ME3 is.

[Spartan6606]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Kazzuuk wrote...

I'm in a similar position. I played the entire series for the first time shortly after the EC was released. I wanted to play the series before, but just didn't get around to it (In my 30's now, real life obligations, etc). That being said, I'm on my 6th play through of the series. Having been able to play the complete series from start to finish on the first play through offers a very different perspective I imagine than those who waited 5+ years from start to finish. There are many people who, due to the 5+ years of time invested, would not like any ending that did not fit their own personal "head cannon". It's just human nature.

Also, please keep in mind this is the internet. The opinions on a game's own message board will be varied, but slanted towards the most biased and fanatical of that game's fanbase.

So much ignorance in this post.

Hes kinda right though only big fans usually use meesage boards we hate the ending because it made all the time we spent micromanaging our shepards world and instead of giving us a conclusive open ended ending where our decisiion could take effect we died and our crew was stranded on jurassic park

You had no point, your logic is completely and utterly fallable and your assumptions are so full of crap that I'm suspecting you're just a troll.

Oh, and it's "canon."

[Spartan6606]

didn't mean to put myself in quotes there