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[Ithurael]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You may have noticed that no one in the thread has a clear, coherent reason OP. Especially for the post-EC ending, it's all opinions on what they think should've happened, but no clear but reason as to what's wrong about it.

Actually, if you care to actually look at the posts and read the context you can find trends:
- Plotholes & Lore inconsistancies
- lack of choice
- IT
- Railroading/Auto Dialog
- video gamey

Most of those issues are centered around one character - starjar.

The rest are just design choices for the gameplay.

Read keywords man, write them down and do counts of each. I did the same thing when I made the BSN drinking game - which I may need to revise as times have changed.

[The Night Mammoth]

Nothing about it makes any sense?

Pretty much nothing between entering the Sol system, and the credits, makes any sense at all, and when the Catalyst enters the picture it seems the writers even threw the idiot ball away, ripped off their own underwear, put them on their heads, and went full f*cking retard mode.

[M Hedonist]

It's a whole different experience without EC. The first time I beat it, I was seriously perplexed, bewildered, my mind was seriously f***ed up; I lack the ability to put into words what it did to me, seriously. It was traumatic.
When I did it again when EC came out, it felt almost acceptable to me. It's more of a "meh" feeling I have now. There are still things that are bad about it, but at least they actually put some effort into it this time...

[spirosz]

Ithurael wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You may have noticed that no one in the thread has a clear, coherent reason OP. Especially for the post-EC ending, it's all opinions on what they think should've happened, but no clear but reason as to what's wrong about it.

Actually, if you care to actually look at the posts and read the context you can find trends:
- Plotholes & Lore inconsistancies
- lack of choice
- IT
- Railroading/Auto Dialog
- video gamey

Most of those issues are centered around one character - starjar.

The rest are just design choices for the gameplay.

Read keywords man, write them down and do counts of each. I did the same thing when I made the BSN drinking game - which I may need to revise as times have changed.

^

I don't even mind the ending, but people have been clear since March 6th.  

[Seival]

aM1ty wrote...

 Please keep in mind I beat ME3 for the first time ever with the Extended Cut DLC Installed.

I just basically did a suicide run over the past week playing ME1, 2 and 3 in a row. It has quickly become my favourite video game series of all time. One of the things I loved about Mass Effect was the conclusion it had. Shepard died a hero, at least from the "major decision" I picked, and had to sacrifice everything he's built and loved in order to save Humanity. Please tell me what was so horrible about that? Why was that worth changing? Is it only because I played the Extended Cut that I actually enjoyed the conclusion to the Shepard trilogy?

I need answers!

The ending is great. But "ME3-hate-club" was too overhyped on BSN by people who used to see "disney ending" in each and every story... BioWare fan-base clearly needs some refreshing. And I'm glad to see it's really happening.

[dorktainian]

Seival wrote...

aM1ty wrote...

 Please keep in mind I beat ME3 for the first time ever with the Extended Cut DLC Installed.

I just basically did a suicide run over the past week playing ME1, 2 and 3 in a row. It has quickly become my favourite video game series of all time. One of the things I loved about Mass Effect was the conclusion it had. Shepard died a hero, at least from the "major decision" I picked, and had to sacrifice everything he's built and loved in order to save Humanity. Please tell me what was so horrible about that? Why was that worth changing? Is it only because I played the Extended Cut that I actually enjoyed the conclusion to the Shepard trilogy?

I need answers!

The ending is great. But "ME3-hate-club" was too overhyped on BSN by people who used to see "disney ending" in each and every story... BioWare fan-base clearly needs some refreshing. And I'm glad to see it's really happening.

the ending is great.....for another story.

[SimonTheFrog]

Seival wrote...

aM1ty wrote...

 Please keep in mind I beat ME3 for the first time ever with the Extended Cut DLC Installed.

I just basically did a suicide run over the past week playing ME1, 2 and 3 in a row. It has quickly become my favourite video game series of all time. One of the things I loved about Mass Effect was the conclusion it had. Shepard died a hero, at least from the "major decision" I picked, and had to sacrifice everything he's built and loved in order to save Humanity. Please tell me what was so horrible about that? Why was that worth changing? Is it only because I played the Extended Cut that I actually enjoyed the conclusion to the Shepard trilogy?

I need answers!

The ending is great. But "ME3-hate-club" was too overhyped on BSN by people who used to see "disney ending" in each and every story... BioWare fan-base clearly needs some refreshing. And I'm glad to see it's really happening.

That is simply not true for many ME3 fans.

If you follow the conversations here on bsn you will see that many players liked The walking dead and SpecOps: the line but hated ME3's ending. This should tell you that a happy (or "disney" if you like) ending is not the only option to have a good ending.

Also, to be honest, i believe that BioWare actually tried a "disney" ending, but failed to communicate it as such.

[Samtheman63]

why does harbys beam that one shots dreadnoughts only injure shepard?
why does the citadel look like parts of the collector base and shadow brokers ship?
how does anderson get there?
why does shepard start bleeding from the same spot as he shot anderson?
why is the catalyst the boy from the nightmares?
how does electricuting yourself turn you into an ai god?
why does shepard walk towards something he is shooting which is clearly exploding?
why does the crucible explosoin not start in the sol system?

im not even going to go into synthesis

Modifié par Samtheman63, 03 janvier 2013 - 03:56 .

[Slashice]

The main problem with the current endings that it's almost impossible (game technically, and not to mention the novels) to create a sequel which fans want the most. The only possible way to continue and expand the universe of ME if BioWare canonize the ending but then what was the point of 3 (or with the refuse it's 4) options?

My other main concern is that when you play through ME1 and ME2 you'll get a clue that humans are important most probably because of they genetic diversity because that's unique in the whole galaxy. Probably that's why the collector's took humans and turned them into a Reaper larve. Even Harbinger himself admits it in ME2 that humans are so important because of they genetic diversity. YET there's not even a single word about it in ME3 and not to mention about the ending. We're just like the other species only difference that we have Shepard (yes we have Shepard and Shepard is not you. Because they filled ME3 with so much auto dialogues that you rather feel you're observing a character rather than controlling it. And also the stupidly simplified conversation wheel...). Big deal, we're no more important that the Batarians or the Vorcha. Do you remember Mordin's recruit mission in ME2? A virus that effects all species except humans and vorcha? And it was developed by the Collectors who're the puppets of the Reapers (especially Harbinger).

Also Harbinger doesn't even speaks in ME3 and what everyone wanted and waited since ME2 was a final boss encounter with Harbinger. At my first playthrough when Anderson mentioned that several Sovereign class Reaper heading to Earth including Harbinger I was like "yeah finally, a decent boss fight and after that I can finally question Harbinger... probably". But NO. He just lands shoots laser, shoots you, flies away and you allready know what happens afterwards. That's just bull....

In trilogys the second installment is all about foreshadowing, hinting of what will happen in the last installment what awaits you. ME3 especially it's ending is totally goes against this and ignores EVERYTHING that has hinted before not just in ME2 but in ME1.

That's why I hate the endings!

[kalasaurus]

I didn't mind the EC ending so much. Now I just hate that kid but that's my only real complaint. The original ending, however, was awful. No explanations or closure, and each choice had an identical (but different colored) cut scene of everything exploding. Part of me wishes I waited until the EC dlc to play ME3 >.<

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...

The ending is great. But "ME3-hate-club" was too overhyped on BSN by people who used to see "disney ending" in each and every story... BioWare fan-base clearly needs some refreshing. And I'm glad to see it's really happening.

I loved the Walking Dead ending, your argument is invalid.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:21 .

[Seival]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

The ending is great. But "ME3-hate-club" was too overhyped on BSN by people who used to see "disney ending" in each and every story... BioWare fan-base clearly needs some refreshing. And I'm glad to see it's really happening.

I loved the Walking Dead ending, you're argument is invalid.

You are not the entire BSN. Not even a half of it

...Well, and you are lying. You have a MEHEM banner, so you basically advertize silly happy ending fan-fiction mod to ME3.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

The ending is great. But "ME3-hate-club" was too overhyped on BSN by people who used to see "disney ending" in each and every story... BioWare fan-base clearly needs some refreshing. And I'm glad to see it's really happening.

I loved the Walking Dead ending, you're argument is invalid.

You are not the entire BSN. Not even a half of it

Maybe a about a third then. 

...Well, and you are lying. You have a MEHEM banner, so you basically advertize silly happy ending fan-fiction mod to ME3.

Says this with a synthesis banner. 

Oh god, my ribs. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...
You are not the entire BSN. Not even a half of it

...Well, and you are lying. You have a MEHEM banner, so you basically advertize silly happy ending fan-fiction mod to ME3.

I like MEHEM you said I only liked MEHEM because I can only handle "Dinsey endings". I like MEHEH, I also like The Walking Dead because that was a sad ending done well, your agrument is invalid.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:36 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

The ending is great. But "ME3-hate-club" was too overhyped on BSN by people who used to see "disney ending" in each and every story... BioWare fan-base clearly needs some refreshing. And I'm glad to see it's really happening.

I loved the Walking Dead ending, you're argument is invalid.

You are not the entire BSN. Not even a half of it

...Well, and you are lying. You have a MEHEM banner, so you basically advertize silly happy ending fan-fiction mod to ME3.

broad statement. because all stories are the same. thumbs up.

typical seival logic at work.

[Konfined]

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

The ending is great. But "ME3-hate-club" was too overhyped on BSN by people who used to see "disney ending" in each and every story... BioWare fan-base clearly needs some refreshing. And I'm glad to see it's really happening.

I loved the Walking Dead ending, you're argument is invalid.

You are not the entire BSN. Not even a half of it

...Well, and you are lying. You have a MEHEM banner, so you basically advertize silly happy ending fan-fiction mod to ME3.

So, because someone downloaded a mod to one game, they must be lying about another?  Do you do this on purpose- you know, you review and proofread these things before you type them; to ensure the maximum level of asinine?  Or do you just type the first thing that pops in your head, making sense be damned?

Modifié par Konfined, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:41 .

[Ithurael]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

The ending is great. But "ME3-hate-club" was too overhyped on BSN by people who used to see "disney ending" in each and every story... BioWare fan-base clearly needs some refreshing. And I'm glad to see it's really happening.

I loved the Walking Dead ending, you're argument is invalid.

You are not the entire BSN. Not even a half of it

...Well, and you are lying. You have a MEHEM banner, so you basically advertize silly happy ending fan-fiction mod to ME3.

broad statement. because all stories are the same. thumbs up.

typical seival logic at work.

It isn't something you can comprehend...

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

The ending is great. But "ME3-hate-club" was too overhyped on BSN by people who used to see "disney ending" in each and every story... BioWare fan-base clearly needs some refreshing. And I'm glad to see it's really happening.

I loved the Walking Dead ending, you're argument is invalid.

You are not the entire BSN. Not even a half of it

Maybe a about a third then. 

...Well, and you are lying. You have a MEHEM banner, so you basically advertize silly happy ending fan-fiction mod to ME3.

Says this with a synthesis banner. 

Oh god, my ribs. 

@Greylycantrope
The Night Mammoth called Synthesis happy ending. You should remove MEHEM banner, and join Synthsis fan group ASAP

Modifié par Seival, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:40 .

[moater boat]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You may have noticed that no one in the thread has a clear, coherent reason OP. Especially for the post-EC ending, it's all opinions on what they think should've happened, but no clear but reason as to what's wrong about it.

You may have noticed that you are wrong.

[Linkenski]

To me it never mattered how synthesis worked, or how convenient the choices seemed. It's the simplest thing where you ask: "What is the message of Mass Effect?" And you don't have a clue, because the themes in the endings and the tone is a 180 on the story, it's contrived and it raises way more questions than it answers, and for a trilogy that's really really bad.

[Seival]

Linkenski wrote...

To me it never mattered how synthesis worked, or how convenient the choices seemed. It's the simplest thing where you ask: "What is the message of Mass Effect?" And you don't have a clue, because the themes in the endings and the tone is a 180 on the story, it's contrived and it raises way more questions than it answers, and for a trilogy that's really really bad.

Mass Effect Trilogy message is in the last minutes of ME3. And considering what we see in ME1, ME2, and ME3 - this message is logical and well-written.

Modifié par Seival, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:50 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

@Greylycantrope
The Night Mammoth called Synthesis happy ending. You should remove MEHEM banner, and join Synthsis fan group ASAP

Some people value their sense of reason and logic at least a little bit. 

At least enough not to choose synthesis. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:50 .

[Gibril]

Well, look up a guy on youtube called Mr.Btongue. I'm 95% sure that's his name, he runs a series called TUN, or 'Tasteful, Understated Nerd-Rage" in which he calmly explains through various ways why certain things failed. Here's one for you, in the last five minutes of the game, the main enemy goes from these creepy, unknowable squid-robot-overlord things to a small holographic kid. The same kid you had been having a nightmare about for ages. And he presents three options to choose from that hadn't been shown as options before. One large DEM. He has so many points, and I have such a bad memory, that I can't remember them all, so just look him up.

[Armass81]

Han Shot First wrote...

In the original endings there weren't a lot of differences between the Control, Synthesis, and Destroy endings.

In Destroy you'd see the Reapers fall over dead, and in Control or Synthesis they would simply depart the Earth. The only real difference was that in the cutscenes you got a different color explosion, and in Synthesis characters had that green glowy stuff on their skin when departing the Normandy.

Also in the original cut there was no hopeful voice over. You just see the relays get destroyed, the Normandy shipwrecked on Eden (and its crew presumably stranded), and then a voice over by the Stargazer to the child, that implies that the galaxy entered a technological dark age. (information decay and a loss of ability to space travel)

In short, in the original endings the game wrapped up with a scorched Earth ending where Shepard destroys galactic civilization to save organic life. The relays are destroyed beyond repair and each civilization is cut off permanently from the others.

The EC retconned that a bit, and galactic civilization no longer collapses. The relays merely get damaged, and are repaired within Hackett's lifetime.

I never saw it like that.

I saw it like a means to build our own future with our own tech. We were so dependant on reapers that when they removed them, their trap and their means to control us, I was kinda glad. We were free now to advance on our own merits.

The relays might have been gone but the civilizations would eventually find a way to travel again. Even if it took time. Of course many here didnt see it that way.

Modifié par Armass81, 03 janvier 2013 - 05:15 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...
@Greylycantrope
The Night Mammoth called Synthesis happy ending. You should remove MEHEM banner, and join Synthsis fan group ASAP

He's right synthesis is the most "Disney", to borrow your term, of the ending options, MEHEM included. I'll stick with MEHEM though it's far less ridiculous.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 03 janvier 2013 - 05:18 .