49 réponses à ce sujet

[SarEnyaDor]

All the stuff they allowed - no encouraged! - in Orleasian controlled Ferelden. It goes against all of their stated beliefs from the codex entries....

[eschilde]

Well, they aren't law enforcement, and against brute force the revered mothers tend not to be able to do much. Like against Vaughn in the CE origin.



(I don't actually know what the Chant says, except that it needs to be spread to all 4 corners of the world. Does it actually have like, morals and stuff, besides don't use blood magic?)

[Herr Uhl]

What is that?

Edit: The things encouraged that is.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 07 janvier 2010 - 02:43 .

[A1ANDY]

Herr Uhl wrote...

What is that?

Edit: The things encouraged that is.

Occupation of Ferelden.

[SarEnyaDor]

Oh yeah, there are commandments and what-not in the Chant - been reading the codex entries.

Also am reading the Stolen Throne, and the b*tch   Revered Mother is just as bad so far as the Orleasian king, she encourages his horrible treatment of people and enables it, at least thus far.

Maybe she'll surprise me and actually be running an underground railroad to get people to freedom in the end, but I'd sooner believe that Loghain had a bevy or Orleasian wives hidden away.

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 07 janvier 2010 - 02:55 .

[AntiChri5]

Sooo many reasons....right there with ya

[Herr Uhl]

A1ANDY wrote...

Occupation of Ferelden.

But I meant the things that they encouraged them to do in the already occupied Ferelden. Have not read the books so I would like to know.

[SarEnyaDor]

Well, the king likes to hurt people - alot. He enjoys being cruel and torturing and humilating people in public ways, and she's standing right next to him, helping him to do it and laughing at it.

[AntiChri5]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Well, the king likes to hurt people - alot. He enjoys being cruel and torturing and humilating people in public ways, and she's standing right next to him, helping him to do it and laughing at it.

Not so much helping and laughing but accepting it.

[AntiChri5]

Also does anyone actually buy that whole "were spreding the chant so the Maker forgives us" crap? This argument fell apart when they started editing the chant for political reasons.

[Bob Sideshow]

Hi all,

IMHO the chantry is an abomination in itself. They consider their duty is to spread their faith to wherever by all means. Conversion by the sword in its purest form. And at the same time admitting more or less that their Maker may well have abandoned the mankind for past sins.
The social work they do for humans(not others) does not balance this up.

I sincerely hope that in future addittions to DA, at least elf and dwarf players will get the chance to crush the chantry with liberal use of torture, rape and foul language while at it anyway.

Regards, Bob Sideshow

[SarEnyaDor]

She certainly seemed more upset about him having a conversation with a mage than anything else he did. She seemed pretty smirky taking that sword, too. She definately personally benefits from it.

[AntiChri5]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

She certainly seemed more upset about him having a conversation with a mage than anything else he did. She seemed pretty smirky taking that sword, too. She definately personally benefits from it.

Yeah, so long as the Chantry (and by extension herself) benifits, she dont care.

[steelfire_dragon]

not to mention, that the chantry and its (rude word block) templars sit and watch mages at all times, including chamber pot time.

this creates many bloodmages out of spite.

abuse of power







the chantry, what a bunch of hypocrites.

may the maker and the elven gods of old spit on them, and then the ancestors will burp , drink and cuss in their chantries.

[Kohaku]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Well, the king likes to hurt people - alot. He enjoys being cruel and torturing and humilating people in public ways, and she's standing right next to him, helping him to do it and laughing at it.

This why I'm on pins and needles waiting for my books to come today. I really want to absorb all this history.

[eschilde]

Well, that doesn't necessarily mean the Chantry is evil or wrong in its beliefs. It's very easy for individuals to forget a larger purpose, especially if their wellbeing depends on someone else's goodwill. Plenty of people put personal gain before the purpose or wellbeing of their organization (*coughuldredloghainhowejowancough*). The Chantry does do a lot of good things, too, like the Chanter's board, providing safe havens and shelters, etc.

Modifié par eschilde, 07 janvier 2010 - 03:13 .

[Bhatair]

The Chantry is just that - The Chantry. It's not part of Ferelden, it is it's own thing. It's no surprise they wouldn't just root for whoever is winning at the time. The Occupation wasn't their battle.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Generally, I find the Chantry to be a power hungry, neutral entity that really does little good for mankind in general, and nothing for non-humans. Their only concern is to spread the Chant of Light to everyone, whether they like it or not, so their rather cold, distant god will return to humankind and create paradise or something.



They sell one version of a higher power to the masses, and are hostile to any other version, calling diagreement heresy and blasphemy.. Look at Leliana. She does not think that the Maker is an absentee father, but exists everywhere and still loves everybody. The Chantry considers such things heresy or delusion, and in many cases, it is told to you they go out of their way to disprove people with claims of divine visions and insight from the Maker.



The very existance of their religion requires the absence/backturning of the Maker, so they have a reason to spread guilt and their Chant of Light. If the maker is still there, then their whole Chant pretty much goes out the window, and their excuses for Exhalted Marches, power grabbing, forced conversion, drug and magic monopolies, ect, go out the window.



The Chantry exists for it's own sake, not for the benefit of anyone else. We see plenty of people in Ferelden who believe in a Maker, yet really could care less about the whole Chant of Light or other dogmatic rubbish. If all the Chantry wanted to do was get people to believe in the Maker, they would not be crushing such beliefs that exist without the Chant.

[grevinilvic]

i hope we get to destroy the chantry,since i have been playing a mage i dont like them at all.

[errant_knight]

eschilde wrote...

Well, they aren't law enforcement, and against brute force the revered mothers tend not to be able to do much. Like against Vaughn in the CE origin.

(I don't actually know what the Chant says, except that it needs to be spread to all 4 corners of the world. Does it actually have like, morals and stuff, besides don't use blood magic?)

Yep. They can't even stop a merchant from profiteering in Lothering. How were they supposed to stop the occupation of Fereldan? There aren't enough Templars for that.

[BroBear Berbil]

I don't think it's very different from the relationship the Papacy had with European monarchs. It's just another layer of politics with favors and money being exchanged. The Popes picked favorites and so does the Chantry but I don't agree with the assertion that the Chantry has enough authority to stop indignities inflicted on Fereldens by wagging their fingers at the emperor of Orlais.

[Maria Caliban]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

All the stuff they allowed - no encouraged! - in Orleasian controlled Ferelden. It goes against all of their stated beliefs from the codex entries....

What stated beliefs are you refering to?

[eschilde]

@OnionXI it would depend on how religious the emperor happened to be. I haven't read the books but judging by the reaction, he apparently wasn't very.



In general, the Chantry seems to try to stay out of direct manipulation of politics and seems to do a fair amount of charity work, at least in Fereldan. Fereldan actually seems fairly secular, though from how it sounds, the Chantry seems to have more direct political power in both the Tevinter Imperium and Orlais, though in wildly different ways.

[Squiggles1334]

Bob Sideshow wrote...

Hi all,

IMHO the chantry is an abomination in itself. They consider their duty is to spread their faith to wherever by all means. Conversion by the sword in its purest form. And at the same time admitting more or less that their Maker may well have abandoned the mankind for past sins.
The social work they do for humans(not others) does not balance this up.

Yeah, YEAH. What a terrible organization that does nothing but keep demihumans and mages under the crushing thumb of oppression and allow occupying Orlesians to rape and torture Fereldans and

I sincerely hope that in future addittions to DA, at least elf and dwarf players will get the chance to crush the chantry with liberal use of torture, rape and foul language while at it anyway.

Regards, Bob Sideshow

... wait, what?

[robertthebard]

Squiggles1334 wrote...

Bob Sideshow wrote...

Hi all,

IMHO the chantry is an abomination in itself. They consider their duty is to spread their faith to wherever by all means. Conversion by the sword in its purest form. And at the same time admitting more or less that their Maker may well have abandoned the mankind for past sins.
The social work they do for humans(not others) does not balance this up.

Yeah, YEAH. What a terrible organization that does nothing but keep demihumans and mages under the crushing thumb of oppression and allow occupying Orlesians to rape and torture Fereldans and

I sincerely hope that in future addittions to DA, at least elf and dwarf players will get the chance to crush the chantry with liberal use of torture, rape and foul language while at it anyway.

Regards, Bob Sideshow

... wait, what?

Actually, you forgot enslaving warriors to use as a personal army through Lyrium addiction.