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Yes, but they only had time to check the Tuchanka and Rannoch storylines:D


Which is pretty sad since those two storylines were kickass. They're the only big moments I can remember from the game, which actually mattered or were perfectly written.


They made Tuchanka and Rannoch, quality control looked at them and provided feedback, they changed it according to feedback, and voila... kickass story lines.=]

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@OP

I guess Hudson and Walter had very much creative freedom, so I don't think this was much of an quality control issue, but a matter of their vision and also too tight production schedule. Release of ME3 was delayed once to give BW more time to finish the product and I guess asking even more time wasn't either possible or reasonable to BW.

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Yes it is arrogant when you assume that only the OP hated the endings. You love your game so much that you spit on the people who were hurt because of the endings. That is arrogance. Plus, you know nothing about the Retake movement so I'd retire that statement of yours if I were you.


Retake movement, they gave us the EC and donated 80k to charity. The charity had to stop taking donations when a high number of people asked for their donations back when they realised they weren't paying for a new ending.

So I guess they did achieve two really good things, it was just unfortunately surrounded by so much bad.


That never happened, the charity stopped taking donations when they decided not to get 'political' (despite them being fine with getting involved with political reasons any other time, and considering this was a gaming charity site some things were suspicious) then a few people wanted to redonate to a charity that would not shut down a successful drive for such hypocritical reasons.  I'm prettty sure the guys behind the charity said the amount of people who asked for a refund because the ending wasn't going to be change was around 2.

Anyway back on topic, the writing and out of character moments in Mass Effect 3 on a whole plus stuff like Deception have made it clear they don't (and neither does the OP ironically based from that title, lulz)

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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Nothing wrong with it, you simply don't like it.


^lol. 

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ZLurps wrote...

@OP

I guess Hudson and Walter had very much creative freedom, so I don't think this was much of an quality control issue, but a matter of their vision and also too tight production schedule. Release of ME3 was delayed once to give BW more time to finish the product and I guess asking even more time wasn't either possible or reasonable to BW.


They had time for EC, and while it retconned the galactic colapse and Tali and Garrus´s death along witth the Normandy stranding, everything else was the same nonsense. Really, without metagaming, how many wouldn´t pick Refuse? Why should I believe anything the creator & leader of the Reapers say?

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Nerevar-as wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

@OP

I guess Hudson and Walter had very much creative freedom, so I don't think this was much of an quality control issue, but a matter of their vision and also too tight production schedule. Release of ME3 was delayed once to give BW more time to finish the product and I guess asking even more time wasn't either possible or reasonable to BW.


They had time for EC, and while it retconned the galactic colapse and Tali and Garrus´s death along witth the Normandy stranding, everything else was the same nonsense. Really, without metagaming, how many wouldn´t pick Refuse? Why should I believe anything the creator & leader of the Reapers say?


The EC wasn't planned. The planned DLC cycle before the furore likely was gonna start with Leviathan. But the fallout was so enormous and couldn't be contained by PR tactics they opted too delay the DLC cycle too create the EC. This as an olivebranch too the fanbase.

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nevar00 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Yes it is arrogant when you assume that only the OP hated the endings. You love your game so much that you spit on the people who were hurt because of the endings. That is arrogance. Plus, you know nothing about the Retake movement so I'd retire that statement of yours if I were you.


Retake movement, they gave us the EC and donated 80k to charity. The charity had to stop taking donations when a high number of people asked for their donations back when they realised they weren't paying for a new ending.

So I guess they did achieve two really good things, it was just unfortunately surrounded by so much bad.


That never happened, the charity stopped taking donations when they decided not to get 'political' (despite them being fine with getting involved with political reasons any other time, and considering this was a gaming charity site some things were suspicious) then a few people wanted to redonate to a charity that would not shut down a successful drive for such hypocritical reasons.  I'm prettty sure the guys behind the charity said the amount of people who asked for a refund because the ending wasn't going to be change was around 2.

Anyway back on topic, the writing and out of character moments in Mass Effect 3 on a whole plus stuff like Deception have made it clear they don't (and neither does the OP ironically based from that title, lulz)


That's not what they said at all.

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I hope that the new big DLC thing they are working on will further correct some of the issues presented in original writing

> This as an olivebranch too the fanbase.
Rather rotten olive branch though.

> how many wouldn´t pick Refuse?
Frankly, this would have been even better option than "destroy" ending, if it was actually possible to win the war without Crucible's help

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Teddie Sage wrote...

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Right now Retake is focusing on Gamers for Sandy Hook Charities. Which is a pretty good cause.


That pages says:

We are not affiliated with any company or organization. We are grassroots organization fueled by our own individual hearts and pockets.


I don't really see anything that links it to the 63k Retake movement, though you should link it on their facebook.


We aren't affiliated to it, of course. But this doesn't stop us from spreading the word. Demand isn't our headquarters anymore. Most of the serious retakers use the page I posted in my signature. The Log is the better place for the Retake movement and our Admin is encouraging our people to join them.


A bit misleading then, more like a splinter group of the Retake movement is trying to spread the word.

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Demand page is dead. The Log is the new HQ since Demand's page leader betrayed many of its users and banned the most "paragon" like leaders from there.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 03 janvier 2013 - 02:42 .


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Kira Sierra Cyrus wrote...

Basically what it is in the title: does Bioware has some kind of writing quality control? Or people like Mac Walters are free to use whatever nonsense they can come up with?

Yes, I'm partularly talking about the absurdity of endings (Star Child concept). I reinstalled ME3 not a long time ago, hoping that Extended Cut brought something actually new to the table, but it only expanded on the overall failure of original concept.

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Yep, the Extended Cut sucks.

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Harbinger rules and the Star Child can suck it.

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Kira Sierra Cyrus wrote...

I hope that the new big DLC thing they are working on will further correct some of the issues presented in original writing

> This as an olivebranch too the fanbase.
Rather rotten olive branch though.

> how many wouldn´t pick Refuse?
Frankly, this would have been even better option than "destroy" ending, if it was actually possible to win the war without Crucible's help


Well they did the best they could. I'm not a fan of the endings either from a narrative point of view. However if extensive rewrites aren't on the table (and i'm not so delusional too expect they ever were) a brush up of the original endings is all that's left. And the EC does an admirable job of that.

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@Outsider edge

Let's pray they will deliver a better writing in ME4 then

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liggy002 wrote...

Harbinger rules and the Star Child can suck it.

Uhm...

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Kira Sierra Cyrus wrote...

Basically what it is in the title: does Bioware has some kind of writing quality control? Or people like Mac Walters are free to use whatever nonsense they can come up with?

Yes, I'm partularly talking about the absurdity of endings (Star Child concept). I reinstalled ME3 not a long time ago, hoping that Extended Cut brought something actually new to the table, but it only expanded on the overall failure of original concept.

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There is no nonsence in ME3.

...But BSN clearly needs some kind of face control already, because it's overflowed by people who are unable understand what the game and its developers tell them.

The problem is not in the ending concept. The problem is in your understanding of this concept.

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liggy002 wrote...

Harbinger rules and the Star Child can suck it.


By suck it, you mean its logic, right?

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Isn't Star Child basically Harbinger?

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Seival wrote...

Kira Sierra Cyrus wrote...

Basically what it is in the title: does Bioware has some kind of writing quality control? Or people like Mac Walters are free to use whatever nonsense they can come up with?

Yes, I'm partularly talking about the absurdity of endings (Star Child concept). I reinstalled ME3 not a long time ago, hoping that Extended Cut brought something actually new to the table, but it only expanded on the overall failure of original concept.

Spoiler
 


There is no nonsence in ME3.

...But BSN clearly needs some kind of face control already, because it's overflowed by people who are unable understand what the game and its developers tell them.

The problem is not in the ending concept. The problem is in your understanding of this concept.


the rest will be put into reservations right?

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Kira Sierra Cyrus wrote...

Isn't Star Child basically Harbinger?

No Star Brat made Harbinger.

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Kira Sierra Cyrus wrote...

Isn't Star Child basically Harbinger?


By following the Catalyst's logic, every Reapers, Sovereigns, etc are linked to him. And he's also known as Harbinger. They're one mind splitted in thousands and thousands of different bodies.

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Seival wrote...

Kira Sierra Cyrus wrote...

Basically what it is in the title: does Bioware has some kind of writing quality control? Or people like Mac Walters are free to use whatever nonsense they can come up with?

Yes, I'm partularly talking about the absurdity of endings (Star Child concept). I reinstalled ME3 not a long time ago, hoping that Extended Cut brought something actually new to the table, but it only expanded on the overall failure of original concept.

Spoiler
 


There is no nonsence in ME3.

...But BSN clearly needs some kind of face control already, because it's overflowed by people who are unable understand what the game and its developers tell them.

The problem is not in the ending concept. The problem is in your understanding of this concept.

Couldn't have said it better myself, though I don't think it's because they're unable to understand but because they don't WANT to understand.

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TWO WORDS:
"REPEATED SURNAMES"

The whole credit for the game is a parade of nepotism, and those whose last names appear only ONCE are all temps, hired for this single project.

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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Couldn't have said it better myself, though I don't think it's because they're unable to understand but because they don't WANT to understand.


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