Femlob wrote...
Killdren88 wrote...
Yeah for the most part they just look for grammar issues. But what I wanna to know is why didn't the player testers say anything? I mean did the not have any concerns that this ending would be a problem?
I'm assuming they were happy enough to still have a job in these trying times.
Dr_Extrem wrote...
angol fear wrote...
Dr_Extrem wrote...
GimmeDaGun wrote...
Dr_Extrem wrote...
GimmeDaGun wrote...
Dr_Extrem wrote...
every publisher has editors. those editors do not only find and correct grammar and typos - they also look for plot inconsistancies and errors.
some even criticise the content, if it does not fit ti the publishers policy.
there is off course no real quality control .. but editors and test audiences.
Yeah, of course editors can point out very obvious mistakes and inconsistences, but they don't have a say in the creative direction or decisions.
no .. they just say, that the publisher will not publish it, in this form.
if i look at the plot of mass effect 3, it seems, that neither editors or control/test groups were involved at all.
That they can do of course.But that does not make them "story quality controll", only they don't want to give their name to the "shlte" you want them to publish for you.
off course there is no official content-police out there. but the writing teams of a game/movie/series are in a different position than novelists.
a novelist writes his/her story and give it to a publisher. the publisher accepts it and if it sells well, they offer the novelist a contract, to write more books of this kind.
the writers of games ect. are contracted, to write a story for a certain setting. if you plan to write a series of stories, lets say a trilogy, you have to write 4 stories. one for the overarching plot and one for each individual part. your main goal is, to write a consistans story, that does not contradict itself every five pages.
biowares writing team was not successful to create an overarching plot, that survives the games. the only shared parts are the reapers (who need to be stopped) and shepard+crew.
No, you don't know how it works. Working for video game is like working for movies. There's a "director", someone who decide how it will be (the others can give their ideas but they do not decide if it will be like this). If everyone would work like you said no video game would be playable.
the directors job is the presentation of the story - not the story. the director can go to the writer and tell him, that his scrips is bad or that he cant present it. if the writer rewrites the passages, he does so, to make it presentable.
Modifié par angol fear, 03 janvier 2013 - 05:23 .
Outsider edge wrote...
Nerevar-as wrote...
ZLurps wrote...
@OP
I guess Hudson and Walter had very much creative freedom, so I don't think this was much of an quality control issue, but a matter of their vision and also too tight production schedule. Release of ME3 was delayed once to give BW more time to finish the product and I guess asking even more time wasn't either possible or reasonable to BW.
They had time for EC, and while it retconned the galactic colapse and Tali and Garrus´s death along witth the Normandy stranding, everything else was the same nonsense. Really, without metagaming, how many wouldn´t pick Refuse? Why should I believe anything the creator & leader of the Reapers say?
The EC wasn't planned. The planned DLC cycle before the furore likely was gonna start with Leviathan. But the fallout was so enormous and couldn't be contained by PR tactics they opted too delay the DLC cycle too create the EC. This as an olivebranch too the fanbase.
Sad but true :'DRobhuzz wrote...
Yes, but they only had time to check the Tuchanka and Rannoch storylines:D
Teddie Sage wrote...
liggy002 wrote...
Harbinger rules and the Star Child can suck it.
By suck it, you mean its logic, right?
Modifié par liggy002, 03 janvier 2013 - 06:23 .
Kira Sierra Cyrus wrote...
Basically what it is in the title: does Bioware has some kind of writing quality control? Or people like Mac Walters are free to use whatever nonsense they can come up with?
Yes, I'm partularly talking about the absurdity of endings (Star Child concept). I reinstalled ME3 not a long time ago, hoping that Extended Cut brought something actually new to the table, but it only expanded on the overall failure of original concept.Spoiler
crimzontearz wrote...
On topic.
They USED to. On the DA boards one of the devs explained how the writing process and peer reviews happens. BUT....that was all thrown out the window by Mac and Casey
Modifié par ZLurps, 03 janvier 2013 - 06:44 .
Otvet sokryt v voprose.Kira Sierra Cyrus wrote...
Basically what it is in the title: does Bioware has some kind of writing quality control? Or people like Mac Walters are free to use whatever nonsense they can come up with?
Yes, I'm partularly talking about the absurdity of endings (Star Child concept). I reinstalled ME3 not a long time ago, hoping that Extended Cut brought something actually new to the table, but it only expanded on the overall failure of original concept.Spoiler
The scariest thought of allNinja Stan wrote...
It's easy to blame Mac and Casey for the parts of the game you don't like, but consider that no matter what was written, it had to pass through many hands, be edited more than once, and be looked at by many people hundreds of times before appearing in the final game.
Steelcan wrote...
The scariest thought of allNinja Stan wrote...
It's easy to blame Mac and Casey for the parts of the game you don't like, but consider that no matter what was written, it had to pass through many hands, be edited more than once, and be looked at by many people hundreds of times before appearing in the final game.
Actually the concept it´s pretty simple. The problem is that it was presented pretty bad.....oh and it also sucks(metaphoracly:happy:)Seival wrote...
Kira Sierra Cyrus wrote...
Basically what it is in the title: does Bioware has some kind of writing quality control? Or people like Mac Walters are free to use whatever nonsense they can come up with?
Yes, I'm partularly talking about the absurdity of endings (Star Child concept). I reinstalled ME3 not a long time ago, hoping that Extended Cut brought something actually new to the table, but it only expanded on the overall failure of original concept.Spoiler
There is no nonsence in ME3.
...But BSN clearly needs some kind of face control already, because it's overflowed by people who are unable understand what the game and its developers tell them.
The problem is not in the ending concept. The problem is in your understanding of this concept.
Modifié par Teddie Sage, 03 janvier 2013 - 07:58 .
Thinking the writing is great and deep, doesn't actually make it so, or make it high-quality writing, anymore than believe everything you wrote is a high-quality by default.Ninja Stan wrote...
Disagreeing with a story does not necessarily make it "low-quality." Thinking the writing is bad or doesn't fit with the rest of the trilogy also doesn't necessarily make it "low-quality," anymore than believing everything you like and agree with is necessarily "high-quality."
That's of course fine, but why exactly Bioware needs to check quality of the story, when you just said that there is no such thing as objective writing quality?Story development is done by the project management, which includes Mac (as lead writer), Casey (as executive producer), and other high-level project personnel. Once the story is decided upon, actual writing duties fall to the writing department. Along the way, artistic and technical concerns of the story are brought up by the writing department, project management, editors, and QA (mostly for testability issues).
That's of course great.While anyone can provide feedback on the content of the writing, plots, romances, etc., the lead writer and project management ultimately decide how to proceed, not just because they "know better," but because it's their job to keep the project moving forward. On DA:O, for example, one origin story went through complete rewrites from the ground up several times, only to ultimately be removed from the game and not used. Others went through significant rewrites before reaching the state in which they appeared in the final game.
An implausible excuse.It's easy to blame Mac and Casey for the parts of the game you don't like, but consider that no matter what was written, it had to pass through many hands, be edited more than once, and be looked at by many people hundreds of times before appearing in the final game.
Modifié par Maxster_, 03 janvier 2013 - 08:32 .
Just accept that, like i did:wizard:Steelcan wrote...
The scariest thought of allNinja Stan wrote...
It's easy to blame Mac and Casey for the parts of the game you don't like, but consider that no matter what was written, it had to pass through many hands, be edited more than once, and be looked at by many people hundreds of times before appearing in the final game.
Because that's how they wanted to do it?Neizd wrote...
The game had to go through many hands and people...It's obvious that Casey and Mac took the hit for this, instead whole BW team, to somehow protect the company...the only question left is:
How did an ending like that could happen? No...whole priority:earth. There must have been a reason for it.
Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
Because that's how they wanted to do it?Neizd wrote...
The game had to go through many hands and people...It's obvious that Casey and Mac took the hit for this, instead whole BW team, to somehow protect the company...the only question left is:
How did an ending like that could happen? No...whole priority:earth. There must have been a reason for it.
Modifié par Teddie Sage, 03 janvier 2013 - 09:27 .
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