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[RubiconA7]

Think he meant that the Ogre indirectly killed Duncan~~

As in Duncan was chopped by another DS with an ax instead of the Ogre.

[Veritasinpersonam]

Duncan will be back in the expansion as a brood mother.

[MadamCaptain]

 I've wondered about his fate the whole game, but when they said "potentially" I thought they meant it as "the ogre had a hand in his death but did not give the killing blow." I love Duncan, but his death was such a big part of the game and the characters' development, I feel like they wouldn't go back and change it, and if they did, they would have by now. I mean, feel free to go ahead and prove me wrong, Bioware...

[Lotion Soronarr]

How is that Ogre alive anyway? Did his corpse decompose in a year or two, since that's how long the game took?

And I thought DA:O doesn't have ressurection magic....Well, apparenlty, the devs are running out of ideas.

[KadivyaSky]

That is something to think about. I've often wondered where the Ogres come from. Maybe they're Grey Wardens that have run into the Deep Roads to 'go out with a bang' but really they ended up turning into something else (because they have Archdemon blood in them, not just darkspawn blood, as well as magical this and thats). A few here alluded to maybe he IS the Architect. It's possible, really. How many Grey Wardens have gone down there to die over the years? Where do the Ogres come from? There's a lot of unanswered questions, but chances are with the time span we're given....if they only live a max of 30 years give or take, after the taint...there's probably been quite a few cycle through since the first Archdemon was killed.

Anyway, it'd be nice to think of Duncan as somehow surviving but he did 'go out with a bang' in that fighting. Maybe the whiting out was just his transformation into one of the ogres or something else in that moment of crisis. Only the writers and whatnot know, really.


And by the way...to the writers: Thank you, writers of this epic tale, for creating this masterpiece that just keeps on giving. And thank you to all the others involved in this wonderful creation...voice actors to graphic designers and everyone else.

Modifié par KadivyaSky, 08 janvier 2010 - 11:20 .

[GodSaveStrawberryJam]

Maybe the ogre was feigning death, and the quest to get Duncan's sword back actually involves pulling it out of the ogre's chest and then using the blade to swipe off its head?!? Heeheehee

[Behindyounow]

The Ogres still alive because Duncan didn't stab it in the head. The Codex says they dont die, but lay dormant until the brain is destroyed.



And KadivyaSky, ogres are made from Qunari broodmothers.

[KadivyaSky]

Behindyounow wrote...

And KadivyaSky, ogres are made from Qunari broodmothers.

I'm glad I didn't have to fight one of those. Yeesh! But still...it's possible the Wardens don't just die but they might transform. Maybe being a more sentient form of darkspawn like the upcoming Architect?

[-Conspirator]

Even if Duncan were alive, he started having the "bad" nightmares, remember? So he wouldn't live long anyway... as a human that is. So I also think he became a darkspawn.

[Behindyounow]

Plus he cant be the architect, because the architect was around before DA:O.

[Elanareon]

szathmab wrote...

well i would think that the Architect would want Duncan he did escape from him once.....but if you read the books you would hope the Utha came back and "saved" Duncan. my guess would be that we find duncan alive but turning into a darkspawn

I think this is possible. I haven't finished The Calling yet but Duncan was ready to agree with Genivieve about the blight thing!

[Little Mama]

O belive Duncan may be coming back... but as evil... - The talking darkspan perhaps...

[AntiChri5]

Elanareon wrote...

szathmab wrote...

well i would think that the Architect would want Duncan he did escape from him once.....but if you read the books you would hope the Utha came back and "saved" Duncan. my guess would be that we find duncan alive but turning into a darkspawn

I think this is possible. I haven't finished The Calling yet but Duncan was ready to agree with Genivieve about the blight thing!

Keep reading.....

[XWolfGhost]

RubiconA7 wrote...

Think he meant that the Ogre indirectly killed Duncan~~
As in Duncan was chopped by another DS with an ax instead of the Ogre.

This. You could argue that if the Ogre hadn't slapped Duncan and wounded him so, he might have escaped somehow. You can also argue that the reason they didn't show him recieving the killing blow is because you don't want to see a character like Duncan being killed like that. I hope he doesn't come back, theres something about loosing a great character before you get to really know him. It seems like a cheap move to bring back characters from the dead(or you thought was dead), that lots of other stories use to create new plots. Sadly thats what my favourite show did, but she comes back as an angel....or something, they never really tell you.

Modifié par XWolfGhost, 08 janvier 2010 - 02:13 .

[Dryad 31]

Do I recall correctly that Riordan said that he and Duncan were recruits together? Roirdan said that the taint would take him soon, and that's why he would try to be the Warden who kills the Archdemon. That being the case, even if Duncan survived Ostagar, wouldn't he have died of the taint soon after?

If he was taken prisoner and prevented from dying either in battle of by suicide, what happens to Gray Wardens who are prevented from dying when the taint takes them? Could he be "possessed" of the taint, and maybe become a bad guy?

I have yet to read the books, so I don't know if this supposition has been covered already.

[Ariella]

kuurankuiskaus wrote...

In some upcoming DLC / expansion:

The PC warden walks into a tavern. S/he sees a hooded figure sitting in the corner table. The hooded figure seems to possess an awesome beard. There is only one person ever seen with such a beard.

PC: "Duncan! Is that you?! I thought you died at Ostagar! "
Duncan: "Bah, Ostagar was merely a setback."

I wish that Duncan was alive ó.ò The beard...must survive...

And he'll be playing cards with Kael, Arthas, and Deathwing.

[Ariella]

Dryad 31 wrote...

Do I recall correctly that Riordan said that he and Duncan were recruits together? Roirdan said that the taint would take him soon, and that's why he would try to be the Warden who kills the Archdemon. That being the case, even if Duncan survived Ostagar, wouldn't he have died of the taint soon after?
If he was taken prisoner and prevented from dying either in battle of by suicide, what happens to Gray Wardens who are prevented from dying when the taint takes them? Could he be "possessed" of the taint, and maybe become a bad guy?
I have yet to read the books, so I don't know if this supposition has been covered already.

They become what's called a "ghoul". Not true darkspawn.

Spoiler for Dalish Origin:




If you play a Dalish, your friend Tamlan is part of the raid on the camp after you finish a third mainline quest, and you get to confront him.

[Ariella]

Maviarab wrote...

What is it with people, its unlikely yes, but who here 'SAW' Duncan die exactly?

All we saw was the ax swing, but while I'm not a doctor.... from the way Duncan was moving just after the Ogre batted him aside, I'm willing to bet he's at least got broken ribs and possibly internal bleeding so even if he survived the darkspawn's ax, I'm not sure if he had a lot of time unless he got some kind of medical attention.

Edit: Also I remember someone on the DLC team saying it's hard to make a change to something already within the game, and considering how MUCH they would have to change if Duncan was alive in any form. (About half of Alistair's conversation tree for example since you can go to Ostagar any time after leaving Lothering...)

Modifié par Ariella, 08 janvier 2010 - 05:30 .

[Valkeyr]

Herr Uhl wrote...

TeleProd wrote...
Serious though, I wish Duncan stays dead. It would take away a lot of impact from his death if stays alive.

Yes. This is true.

I feel the same way.  When I first saw this thread, I dismissed it thinking Duncan couldn't possibly be alive.  I prefer he stay dead.

However based on the trailer and umm...some new evidence I'm not so sure anymore.


I don't think I can talk about it, but if only there was a site where YOU can put upload videos into the internet, which is a series of TUBEs. .  The evidence shows duncans swords (stuck to the ogre) ...but not his armor, as ff no body was found..




Whether or not Duncan is corrupted or not is a different story. I'm fairly sure Grey wardens kill themselves early as a precaution, so Duncan may be getting senile or twisted a bit aka going over to the dark side.

I'm still confused on the ritual as well.  Where do they get this Archdemon blood from? Maybe Duncan recovers when the archdemon (and its influence) is slain? 

[Amagoi]

Normal people, when exposed to the taint, become Ghouls if they survive that long. Something else happens to Grey Wardens. They become sort of like ghouls, but retain their personality. If Duncan came back corrupted he would resemble more of a Darkspawn halfbreed than anything else from what they were described as in the Calling.



Though he did have a special knife that affected Darkspawn taint so that could be a wildcard...

[Bryy_Miller]

They had better have an extremely good explanation if Duncan is alive.

[Jayphil]

duncan + Darkspawn = Duncspawn... simple as that



but if he DID survive it would ruin the story... like loghain's plans, morrigan's deal.. etc.



if he did survive he will reappear in the expansion but not here... how could he have survived that blow who knows maybe the handle of the axe hit him and not the blade itself... darkspawn are stupid

[Dermain]

If you watch the trailer it shows the Ogre, with Duncan's weapons still embedded in its chests, roaring with some sort of purpilish glow around it.