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[darkpassenger2342]

KingGuy420 wrote...

But they could take the 20 minutes it takes to play a Silver, put the points into fitness and passives and be even more help. I kick level 1's PUG's cause they're lazy and don't care not because I think they'll do bad.

lol so well said... here i am writing a paragraph why and you just explained it in a sentence. LAZINESS.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 04 janvier 2013 - 08:58 .

[12323432543]

In pugs, I'd kick. But when I play with friends, I'll announce that I'm decking my lvl 1 with lvl 4 equipments to compensate. When I do play a lvl 1, I tend to go for weapon based class.

[Fjortis]

KingGuy420 wrote...

But they could take the 20 minutes it takes to play a Silver, put the points into fitness and passives and be even more help. I kick level 1's PUG's cause they're lazy and don't care not because I think they'll do bad.

Lazy because I'm confident that I can do just as well with a level 1 in a gold pug? 
'Kay. 

[darkpassenger2342]

Fjortis wrote...

KingGuy420 wrote...

But they could take the 20 minutes it takes to play a Silver, put the points into fitness and passives and be even more help. I kick level 1's PUG's cause they're lazy and don't care not because I think they'll do bad.

Lazy because I'm confident that I can do just as well with a level 1 in a gold pug? 
'Kay. 

nope, youre a bsn poster, no one really means YOU, but theres no way to tell that its you... get it??
 im not giving someone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to level 1's...

you wanna let lvl 1's play with you, of course idc lol...

this is where it starts to become all convoluted like n7 and becomes primarily opinion.

also, theres no way you can really justify a level 1 being as good as a level 20... if that was the case, wed have no builds.
just vanilla gears of war horde mode.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:08 .

[78stonewobble]

Computron2000 wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

It's not about you, you, YOU and yourself.

It's about the other people who might not be skilled enough to play with a lvl1 on the team on gold.

It's fine to do it with friends whose skill level you know but it's rude to put other random other people through bad games just out of lazyness.

There are 2 ways to read the bolded part.
First, the assumption that the level 1 will need to be revived constantly or have some sort of hand holding.
Second possibility, is that the other 3 are the ones that need hand holding aka they need to be carried.

Now the second possibility is not the level 1's problem. If they need to be carried, they should not be in that difficulty level in the first place. To say otherwise is laughable.

Now the first possibility is actually less likely to happen if you see the guy sporting cyclonic 4 on someone who has at least 500 base shields vs some other guy running no shield boosters or level 1s. On the damage side, if the guy is running AP 4, AR amp 3 on something like a harrier x, his damage is going to be higher than some guy running a harrier 1 with low level or no weapon booster equipment. Also the AP 4 guy has the option of dropping his penetration/HVB mods for something else such as a extended barrel with 0 loss.

Of course if the level 1 went to level 20 and kept the entire gear configuration, he would be much more damaging and effective but to say a level 1 with all high end gear/equipment/weapons is going to be a drag vs the standard pug doesn't make sense when you look at the actual numbers.

Sure someone somewhere can pull it off and be utterly devastating or equip their way out as you're suggesting.

The random people you end up with have no way of knowing that however and could be unwilling to risk their own consumables on a, more than ordinary, risky game.

Thus it does become the lvl1's problem that the others are not as skilled in that he gets kicked.

And it's actually irrelevant whether the other people not skilled enough for a certain difficulty. They are entitled to wanting a decently leveled teammate if thats the game they want.

Exactly like other people are entitled to their gold or platinum games without newbies.

In anycase... It's just my oppinion so... whatever

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:22 .

[OneMore1968]

I usually host but yes I would expect to be kicked if I joined a random lobby. Would kick someone from my game for sure because I don't want to waste the consumables etc taking that risk.  High value packs are expensive unless you are exceptionally good or have tons of £££ to spare. 

A lvl 1 doesn't have access to powers and Gold is tricky at best plus I don't think there are vast numbers of legit players' who could do it. You die too quickly sometimes even maxed out due to lag/latency etc. If you can Solo Gold as lvl 1, I'm pleased for you but the other players' don't know that so if you get kicked from PUG's it shouldn't be a surprise.

Too much emphasis given to N7 rating/Challenge rating. Played yesterday with an N7 = 7k+ and Challenge = 10k+. They were bad to say the least plus they were jerking all over the place and lagging the game, as soon as they left after one game, all was well again.

Modifié par Carlina, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:16 .

[Fjortis]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Fjortis wrote...

KingGuy420 wrote...

But they could take the 20 minutes it takes to play a Silver, put the points into fitness and passives and be even more help. I kick level 1's PUG's cause they're lazy and don't care not because I think they'll do bad.

Lazy because I'm confident that I can do just as well with a level 1 in a gold pug? 
'Kay. 

nope, youre a bsn poster, no one really means YOU, but theres no way to tell that its you... get it??
 im not giving someone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to level 1's...

you wanna let lvl 1's play with you, of course idc lol...

this is where it starts to become all convoluted like n7 and becomes primarily opinion.

also, theres no way you can really justify a level 1 being as good as a level 20... if that was the case, wed have no builds.
just vanilla gears of war horde mode.

If we're talking about the average bsner, fair enough. 

And no, a level 1 is not as good as a level 20. But not everyone uses their best consumables on a level 20 in a gold match either (I mean I do usually, but I see that a lot don't). If someone was using a level 1 I'd expect they use level 4 or 3 equipment to level the playing field a bit. Heck I get nervous with level 20 characters who don't use any equipment.

[darkpassenger2342]

Fjortis wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Fjortis wrote...

KingGuy420 wrote...

But they could take the 20 minutes it takes to play a Silver, put the points into fitness and passives and be even more help. I kick level 1's PUG's cause they're lazy and don't care not because I think they'll do bad.

Lazy because I'm confident that I can do just as well with a level 1 in a gold pug? 
'Kay. 

nope, youre a bsn poster, no one really means YOU, but theres no way to tell that its you... get it??
 im not giving someone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to level 1's...

you wanna let lvl 1's play with you, of course idc lol...

this is where it starts to become all convoluted like n7 and becomes primarily opinion.

also, theres no way you can really justify a level 1 being as good as a level 20... if that was the case, wed have no builds.
just vanilla gears of war horde mode.

If we're talking about the average bsner, fair enough. 

And no, a level 1 is not as good as a level 20. But not everyone uses their best consumables on a level 20 in a gold match either (I mean I do usually, but I see that a lot don't). If someone was using a level 1 I'd expect they use level 4 or 3 equipment to level the playing field a bit. Heck I get nervous with level 20 characters who don't use any equipment.

thats the only point most people are trying to make, would they kick fjortis from the bsn if fjortis wants to use a level 1 with consumables ( or not) and is skilled and swears they can rock a level 1? probably not....
everyone else? peace, go play a silver, youre being lazy and its easier to assume youll weigh us down... next!

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:19 .

[Domnuxx]

I think a lot of players here have at least one experience in topping the scoreboard with a level one.

When I do play a low level into gold, I usually start the game before. If I die a lot before other players join in, then I know I won't do good and quit. If I do ok, then I keep going.

If a low level joins my lobby, I check the loadout and if he's using any consumables.

[KingGuy420]

I still see it as lazy no matter how I look at it, you might be confident that you can do it but can you honestly say you wouldn't be more confident at lvl 8? I know I'd be alot more confident in you at level 8. Now, would it really kill you to take 20 minutes out of your busy video game time to give us both a confidence boost? No it wouldn't, so yes it's just lazy.

[Fjortis]

KingGuy420 wrote...

I still see it as lazy no matter how I look at it, you might be confident that you can do it but can you honestly say you wouldn't be more confident at lvl 8? I know I'd be alot more confident in you at level 8. Now, would it really kill you to take 20 minutes out of your busy video game time to give us both a confidence boost? No it wouldn't, so yes it's just lazy.

Twenty minutes may not seem a lot of time to someone who has a lot of time on their hands, but when you have limited amount of time to play, then yeah it is. If I can get things done in the most efficient manner then I'm going to do it, and playing gold+ benefits me a lot more than playing a silver match. So I'm not lazy, in fact I'd be lazy if I were looking to be carried, but it takes some effort to play gold with a level 1, so it's not like I'm expecting to be carried.

And if I'm using level 4 equipment on my level one as opposed to my level 8, then no, I'd feel about the same actually.

Modifié par Fjortis, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:28 .

[Ramsutin]

If you roll with level X URs I'll let you stay

[gcmax]

I've thought about doing this with some weapon characters but I mostly join silver matches with my level 1's for 1-2 games then gold and plat later.

Really, gold is too much for starting off and no matter your gear or weapon, the rest of the team will be carrying you to the finish line, if they make it that is... on the other hand if your playing with friends who you know can handle gold, then it shouldn't really be a problem.

[KingGuy420]

I find it funny that you said "Twenty minutes may not seem a lot of time to someone who has a lot of time on their hands, but when you have limited amount of time to play, then yeah it is." Like your never going to play the game again after that day or something, there's always tomorrow. I see it as lazy and a sign of disrespect to the team wether your confident or not. It in no way would hurt you to play a Silver to make everyone happy but no one wants less creds, lazy.

[ImTheOx]

It depends, If you are a friend of myn, and i know you are a good player, than sure.
if not, ill kick ya.

I play with lvl 1 some times but mostly on plat, but i usualy put on that character some heavy weapons, like Revenant and Javelin, no metther the class, coz on lvl1 u cant relay on powers :/

[Computron2000]

gcmax wrote...

I've thought about doing this with some weapon characters but I mostly join silver matches with my level 1's for 1-2 games then gold and plat later.

Really, gold is too much for starting off and no matter your gear or weapon, the rest of the team will be carrying you to the finish line, if they make it that is... on the other hand if your playing with friends who you know can handle gold, then it shouldn't really be a problem.

Eh, it can easily end up in reverse.



Edit: Oh and in case people get the wrong impression, the 2nd guy (a fury) was the source of the silver and bronze revive medals. Playing suicidally got him points but is dumb as hell and is the obvious measurement of a good fury vs a lousy one. The level 1 vanguard died about the same as the 3rd guy, a justicar. 3rd guy was the best team member.

Modifié par Computron2000, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:57 .

[Fjortis]

KingGuy420 wrote...

I find it funny that you said "Twenty minutes may not seem a lot of time to someone who has a lot of time on their hands, but when you have limited amount of time to play, then yeah it is." Like your never going to play the game again after that day or something, there's always tomorrow. I see it as lazy and a sign of disrespect to the team wether your confident or not. It in no way would hurt you to play a Silver to make everyone happy but no one wants less creds, lazy.

If I'm going to get about an hour and a half to play, I don't want to spend 20 minutes of that playing silver. Regardless if I can just 'play it another day'. Of course I can play it another day, but I want to make the most of what I can do at that moment. 

And maybe it does hurt me. I don't want to play silver. I am capable of playing gold with a level 1. If others can't hold their own that is not my problem and it does not make me lazy. If you need that extra confidence boost maybe you shouldn't be playing gold, because trust me, regardless of the levels you end up having to do a lot of carrying.

[Jannic]

For me it depends.
A lvl 1 Salarian infiltrator with proper setup? Most welcome.
A lvl 11 Cerberus vanguard with medium to no equip? - Go to hell.

[Fhenir]

I think i depends on char/equip and also how N7 fits in.... (I know some people dont promote, but they get challenges and have good wapons so you can see it). Usually i take them for one ride and if they are doing good its fine if not... well then i carried them. It is no problem on Gold.

I my self can handle my self good as lvl1 on gold. But i agree with Flaming Snake above... if even one wants to kick me i leave on my own and look for an other game (Don't want to spoil someones day).

Modifié par Fhenir, 04 janvier 2013 - 10:24 .

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Not using level 3~5 equipment, Kick
Not using 2 level X URs kick
Havent promoted class 30 times Kick

I should also apply these rules to every level 20 I come across, since these actually have more relevance than level anyway.

[Feneckus]

A level 1 Human Soldier with a Claymore + max equipment can still OHK a Ravager.

[banans_huligans]

While I could agree that really good player can make it work, I've yet to see low level chars perform well in gold.

[jonluke93]

Unless I've played with someone a few games already Ill kick a level 1

[corporal doody]

imho....yes...unless you are in a group with friends...then it is no problem