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[ZombieGambit]

Absolutely not. If you have a good loadout and you know what you're doing you can easily handle Gold with a level 1.

If I see a level 1 with an Avenger VIII, no consumables, and a low N7 I can assume that they're not going to do well, but on the other hand if I see a level 1 with a Harrier X, a ton of consumables and Gear, high N7/challenge points I can assume he's going to do well though as he's obviously been around the block a few times. It's not a foolproof method to weed out the bad players, but it's good enough.

[Hejdun]

You can pretty easily just slap a great weapon like a Harrier or PPR on any level 1 and use consumables and do fine so long as your team doesn't blow. You probably won't be first in score, but a decent player will be able to do their share.

Also depends on their challenge points. If less than 1,000 I'd kick. If over 10,000 I'd trust that they know what they're doing.

[Freskione2]

I did it with friends but I would never do it in a PUG as its a lot to have people carry you through the game. 

Modifié par Freskione2, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:56 .

[hostaman]

Do what you like. It's just a game.

I never kick, and I don't care what level you are, or what you're packing.

If we wipe on level 1, so be it. So what if you use up a few precious "consumables", it's you're own stupid fault if you were gullible enough to pay real money for them.

I play Silver and Gold and I'll happily play with any player at any level with any kit. I'll revive you if you go down, I'll do my best to help us get to extraction and if we do that's great. If we don't, it's still a blast for me.

I just wish more players would learn to chill the **** out.

[Xero M XTC]

Hejdun wrote...

You can pretty easily just slap a great weapon like a Harrier or PPR on any level 1 and use consumables and do fine so long as your team doesn't blow. You probably won't be first in score, but a decent player will be able to do their share.

Also depends on their challenge points. If less than 1,000 I'd kick. If over 10,000 I'd trust that they know what they're doing.

LOL as bad as "sorry >N7 1000 need not apply for gold or plat / high N7 = high skill level"

Gold can be handled by a lvl 1 with a Predator X and no consumables, hell, someone's probably solo'd gold like that. I sometimes run into gold with just a Pred (on a non-caster), adds a bit of challenge to it all and usually come in 2nd or 3rd

Bottom line is, if you can handle it, by all means, take a lvl 1 in. If people kick you, who cares, joining another match takes about 25 seconds if you're not fussy on location/enemy.

Now I don't use equipment in Gold matches, and the whole "dude's not putting on equipment !! he wants to be carried !!" mentality is just moronic. Putting on high lvl equipment on your lvl 1 will make SOME people see that you're ready to pull your weight but then again you'll always get people who'll kick a lvl  regardless of class, loadout, equipment, rating blah blah blah blah blah. Move on, join a new match.

Though, having said all that... lvl 1 characters that are power dependant are more likely to be kicked. But on the rare occassions that I'm hosting, I like to give everyone a chance... even loadouts that aren't exactly gold friendly (IE - people who haven't even maxed starter weapons). I played with a N7 1 on gold not too long ago. The original host left so I invited the player to a game.... they died constantly and quit early, which was inevitable, but sent a message saying thanks for the game blah blah.

I'll admit that I used to be a bit of a hard ass when it came to team loadouts IF I hadn't cleared wave 10 in a couple of consecutive matches but since then I've maxed my manifest so all I need credits for is keeping my d-pad consumables topped up... and the game is more fun than it's been in a long time... then I look at my challenges and see that I only have 2 more to clear, 20 more promotions and grinding 100 waves with the Krogan Soldier & Vorcha Soldier.

I then proceed to remove the ME3 disc from the Xbox and play something else.

[78stonewobble]

hostaman wrote...

Do what you like. It's just a game.

I never kick, and I don't care what level you are, or what you're packing.

If we wipe on level 1, so be it. So what if you use up a few precious "consumables", it's you're own stupid fault if you were gullible enough to pay real money for them.

I play Silver and Gold and I'll happily play with any player at any level with any kit. I'll revive you if you go down, I'll do my best to help us get to extraction and if we do that's great. If we don't, it's still a blast for me.

I just wish more players would learn to chill the **** out.

In principle I agree... but there is no reason to annoy other people if it can be avoided. I'm quite large in who I play with (I don't think I've ever initiated a kick against anyone except a voice spammer) but I can't be arsed to sit through just about any amount of, to me, annoying gameplay.

[Leland Gaunt]

Air Quotes wrote...
I don't care how good you are or may be. I'm kicking you. In PUG's

This. If I know you and know, that you can handle yourself with a LVL 1, no problem in a private game.
But in public games you'll get the boot, because I don't know you and don't know how you handle yourself with a LVL 1. I'm not going to pupt up with that, so I'm either distributing red x's or I leave.

Modifié par Leland Gaunt, 04 janvier 2013 - 01:31 .

[Jecalux]

Admiral Dreck wrote...

I used a level 1 Human Soldier with a Black Widow X, and Sabre X

I would have kicked you for your silly loadout, rather than for the level 1 character. Why the hell do you need two sniper rifles? It's redundant, you just pack a lot of useless weight and you won't be able to use powers in dire situations.

[Jecalux]

Leland Gaunt wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...
I don't care how good you are or may be. I'm kicking you. In PUG's

This. If I know you and know, that you can handle yourself with a LVL 1, no problem in a private game.
But in public games you'll get the boot, because I don't know you and don't know how you handle yourself with a LVL 1. I'm not going to pupt up with that, so I'm either distributing red x's or I leave.

This. The problem is when you run into douchebags with N7 levels lower than yours that kick you for bringing a level 1 character ON SILVER. WITH GEAR, AMMO AND EVERYTHING. I have a N7 score of 1670, I think I can handle a Silver by now.

[Sir_Alan_]

If i knew the ability of the player in question i.e. i just played a couple games with them, then i'd be inclined to let them stay but if a random plops in and i don't know squat about his/her skills... let's just say i'm not willing to chance wasting my time on a bust game.

Speaking from personal experience, wouldn't it be better to do a Silver match or two, just to rack up some easy skill points. If anything it'll make that first Gold match go just that bit smoother, at least that's how i see it anyway.

I've seen some really poor performances from people rocking the weapons we all deem the business and classes that should go to town on any faction, thus load out and equipment only counts for a bit in my decision making.

[Leland Gaunt]

banshees_heart wrote...
for gold:
lvl 1 with max gear : OK
lvl 1 with no gear : NO
lvl 20 with no gear : OK
lvl 20 with max gear: OK

Why would you want to drag a LVL 20 without gear/equipment through a match? Doesn't make any sense... No equipment = no game, no matter how good your weapons are, your challenge points, your N7 rank, you e-peen. No equipment means you're not ready to ante up for that match and usually those people bail at some point in wave 1-3.
No equipment is the reason why I kick the most.

[JewelsWinnfield]

Level is overrated. Only power classes really depend on their level, for weapon classes with good loadouts it's just a bonus to their already high damage output.

Modifié par Hendrix137, 04 janvier 2013 - 01:48 .

[Cellodanceparty]

All I can say is I ran a UUG pug today with a geth engineer and completely out scored everybody using 20's. Don't get me wrong, score isn't everything, but I managed to get around 120k in a 22 minute match (it ended up being hazard reactor cerb). Being level 1 doesn't really mean you're a hinderence if you know how to roll with a low leveled character.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

There's a reason why people are saying "friends = ok, PUGs = boot". How you personally fare with a level 1 kit in a Gold match isn't relevant.

Modifié par oO Stryfe Oo, 04 janvier 2013 - 02:10 .

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Leland Gaunt wrote...

banshees_heart wrote...
for gold:
lvl 1 with max gear : OK
lvl 1 with no gear : NO
lvl 20 with no gear : OK
lvl 20 with max gear: OK

Why would you want to drag a LVL 20 without gear/equipment through a match? Doesn't make any sense... No equipment = no game, no matter how good your weapons are, your challenge points, your N7 rank, you e-peen. No equipment means you're not ready to ante up for that match and usually those people bail at some point in wave 1-3.
No equipment is the reason why I kick the most.

This is definetly most important. You can be 30K N7 (top N7 possible, not pointing out the person at that ranking either ) I'm going to boot you if you ready up without equipment.

There is no reason in hell to save equipment, unless you actually dont have it, and if thats the case, its very likely you don't have consumables like medigel or ops packs either, which means you getting the boot FOR SURE!

playfarcry wrote...

Dude..are you highhh ?? .. lolzz ..do
oyu even know what you are saying..do you treat equipments as clothes ..
no clothes means you cant go out  ..and i always play gold with 0
equipments and never bail out .. although i do sometimes bail out the
waves..

So, dont be a fool and stop kicking people for that reason .

PEACE :-)

He's not high, anyone with any thought beyond peanut butter knows to always put on equipment.

Modifié par Ronnie Blastoff, 04 janvier 2013 - 02:57 .

[Koenig888]

I can play with a level 1 character or without equipment on Gold but will not do so. Team-mates (PUG) will not know how good a particular player is and should not be expected to take the risk of having to carry a level 1 or a scrooge who refuses to use equipment, especially when they have invested their level III and IV equipment.

I have played with a number of elite players and fellow BotB holders and none of them have tried to use level 1 characters or skimp on equipment on Gold.

As is usual with this kind of thread, there will be those who claimed that they are so awesome they have topped scoreboards with level 1 kits and/or zero equipment. Kindly post pics to back up your claim.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

banshees_heart wrote...

Leland Gaunt wrote...

banshees_heart wrote...
for gold:
lvl 1 with max gear : OK
lvl 1 with no gear : NO
lvl 20 with no gear : OK
lvl 20 with max gear: OK

Why would you want to drag a LVL 20 without gear/equipment through a match? Doesn't make any sense... No equipment = no game, no matter how good your weapons are, your challenge points, your N7 rank, you e-peen. No equipment means you're not ready to ante up for that match and usually those people bail at some point in wave 1-3.
No equipment is the reason why I kick the most.

never seen any lvl 20 player with no gear doing good game?? i rarely do it..but when i do it
, i do it not bcoz i dont have gear..i do it coz i wanna have more fun...and as i said IT DEPENDS on how skilled the player is :innocent:

(ofc not taking lag issues into account)

EDIT:
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Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

playfarcry wrote...

Dude..are you highhh ?? .. lolzz ..do
oyu even know what you are saying..do you treat equipments as clothes ..
no clothes means you cant go out  ..and i always play gold with 0
equipments and never bail out .. although i do sometimes bail out the
waves..

So, dont be a fool and stop kicking people for that reason .

PEACE :-)

He's not high, anyone with any thought beyond peanut butter knows to always put on equipment.

better said: "anyone with any thought beoyond peanut butter can see that you're hight too"

it doesnt have anything to do with how good a player is..why dont you understand

Equipment makes a good game better, equipment makes the best players gods. There is no reason to go without it. You get it in recruit packs. The point isnt that you dont need it. (which I see completely took flight above your head) Its that you "may as well put it on because you wont run out (if your good) and it buffs you so your game wont take 25 minutes."

Now for those who think 25 minute games is "good" I feel sorry for you for pardoning someone without proper skills and equipment to play along with you....because thats usually the case with any game taking over 20.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

banshees_heart wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
 Equipment makes a good game better, equipment makes the best players gods. There is no reason to go without it. You get it in recruit packs. The point isnt that you dont need it. (which I see completely took flight above your head) Its that you "may as well put it on because you wont run out (if your good) and it buffs you so your game wont take 25 minutes."

Now for those who think 25 minute games is "good" I feel sorry for you for pardoning someone without proper skills and equipment to play along with you....because thats usually the case with any game taking over 20.

thats true and i never said equipment doesnt affect the game, but this wasnt the point..the point is:
after 1000s of games..sometimes you feel the need for something more challenging..thats when i use no gear.

25 min? who said anyhing about game time..lolzz...and plz dont tell me that every PUG you enter with maxed gear is done under 20 min...there are many other factors you didnt mention here

The only point that is always valid in using equipment IS that you will have so much of it that there is no reason to save it. That IS THE POINT..

Hmm. now if your not getting under 25 minutes in public games you "start" with people using proper equipment, perhaps you should stop "challenging yourself" and start "improving yourself." The whole reason I don't play with those who don't use equipment is gametime. As long as everyone is "equipped" gametime averages out to ~20 minutes, even in pugs.

[UKStory135]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

banshees_heart wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
 Equipment makes a good game better, equipment makes the best players gods. There is no reason to go without it. You get it in recruit packs. The point isnt that you dont need it. (which I see completely took flight above your head) Its that you "may as well put it on because you wont run out (if your good) and it buffs you so your game wont take 25 minutes."

Now for those who think 25 minute games is "good" I feel sorry for you for pardoning someone without proper skills and equipment to play along with you....because thats usually the case with any game taking over 20.

thats true and i never said equipment doesnt affect the game, but this wasnt the point..the point is:
after 1000s of games..sometimes you feel the need for something more challenging..thats when i use no gear.

25 min? who said anyhing about game time..lolzz...and plz dont tell me that every PUG you enter with maxed gear is done under 20 min...there are many other factors you didnt mention here

The only point that is always valid in using equipment IS that you will have so much of it that there is no reason to save it. That IS THE POINT..

Hmm. now if your not getting under 25 minutes in public games you "start" with people using proper equipment, perhaps you should stop "challenging yourself" and start "improving yourself." The whole reason I don't play with those who don't use equipment is gametime. As long as everyone is "equipped" gametime averages out to ~20 minutes, even in pugs.

To me, equipment is a sign of investment and commitment to the team.  It's not necessarilly true that you need it, it is just proof that you are ready to help out.

[OldeGrim]

I don't get why people don't use equipment. You are playing the game to have fun, you will have more fun if your character is better/can deal out more damage. Why gimp yourself to save a few credits? What are you saving up for?

I am constantly using at the very least level 2 or 3 gear, usually level 4.

If you don't have spare equipment for every single match (even if it just shield power cells I) you are playing this game wrong.

OP: Yes it is bad form. I don't care how good you think you are or how many times you have done it before, if your a level 1 in a gold your gone.

Modifié par OldeGrim, 04 janvier 2013 - 03:39 .