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[Mobuse]

...and we don't talk about it afterwards????

Did I miss something or is it a "They attack us, oh no, let's kill them all" experience for everybody....

[Sir George Parr]

No it can be resolved peacefully if Hawke takes responsibility for Merrill. The other dialogue choices result in a very challenging fight with the dalish iirc.

[thats1evildude]

Mobuse wrote...

...and we don't talk about it afterwards????

Did I miss something or is it a "They attack us, oh no, let's kill them all" experience for everybody....

You have to go to Merrill's house afterwards to talk about it.

[Reikilea]

Oh no no. Why kill the good elves. Just kindly ask them to leave and take all the responsibility for Merril actions. Use Hawke´s awesome diplomatic skills, say everything is great and oh by the way we just killed your awesome and kind keeper.

And then go back and glare at mirror at Merills home. Because, obviously it was all the mirror´s fault.

[Davillo]

Felt good didn't it? I love to slaughter them. Damn elves been pissing me of ever since I went there to release Flemeth, scrawny bastards!

[BouncyFrag]

Its even more awkward if on the way back to her place in Kirkwall you get some silly/funny banter. Then again, it was Merrill who gives you friendship points for dealing with the demon Torpor in the Night Terrors quest in the fade.

[LobselVith8]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Its even more awkward if on the way back to her place in Kirkwall you get some silly/funny banter. Then again, it was Merrill who gives you friendship points for dealing with the demon Torpor in the Night Terrors quest in the fade.

For listening to Torpor to gain more information about the situation, not for making a deal with Torpor. Merrill's dialogue makes it clear she doesn't condone selling Feynriel out to Torpor.

[Asch Lavigne]

I don't know if "helping Merrill kill her whole clan" is the right phrase. Its not like Merrill said "Hey Hawke.... blah blah, help me get them!" Its more like they attacked and you defended. But that is messed up that there is no conversation about it afterwards. Especially since she says something about it if you defend her.

I would have liked to have killed them but they were the clan my Dalish Warden was from so.... attachments and sentiments and all got in the way.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 04 janvier 2013 - 07:27 .

[LobselVith8]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

I don't know if "helping Merrill kill her whole clan" is the right phrase. Its not like Merrill said "Hey Hawke.... blah blah, help me get them!" Its more like they attacked and you defended. But that is messed up that there is no conversation about it afterwards. Especially since she says something about it if you defend her.

True, the Dalish try to murder Merrill and Hawke, and you defend yourselves. If Hawke "takes the blame" paraphrase, he's really blaming Merrill in the actual dialogue, and that didn't make any sense to me. Keeper Marethari chose to release Audacity from its prison, she didn't warn anyone until long after she released the demon, she didn't caution her clan to leave Sundermount for their own safety, and she didn't have anyone nearby to kill her once the demon possessed her. Why should I blame Merrill?

Asch Lavigne wrote...

I would have liked to have killed them but they were the clan my Dalish Warden was from so.... attachments and sentiments and all got in the way. 

It's cold-blooded murder to try to kill Merrill. It's suicide by Hawke.

[MisterJB]

Merril has just caused the possession and death of their Keeper; I'm certain you would argue that it was not Merril's fault but that is not how the clan sees it. A murder commited after this is hardly cold blooded. They are, understandably, furious.

[DKJaigen]

Merril didnt cause anything

[dragonflight288]

Technically you didn't help Merrill kill her whole clan. You helped Merrill defend herself when her whole clan entered a blood-lust and sought to kill her. All Merrill did was practice self-defense and it killed her inside to fight her clan.

[Mobuse]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Technically you didn't help Merrill kill her whole clan. You helped Merrill defend herself when her whole clan entered a blood-lust and sought to kill her. All Merrill did was practice self-defense and it killed her inside to fight her clan.

No, I expected it to kill her inside...but she's just fine afterwards and we didn't talk about it even once....that's what bothered me...

[Trolldrool]

I would definitely have liked for it to be mentioned more often. Slaughter an entire clan, every hunter, every sentry, merchant, story teller and what not and all we get is one conversation about it in the alienage later? That really didn't leave an impact. If anything it just felt like it was swept under the rug.

There was some party banter, which helped a little, but not a lot. It was as if it didn't affect Merril at all after having a single talk with Hawke about it.

[dragonflight288]

Mobuse wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Technically you didn't help Merrill kill her whole clan. You helped Merrill defend herself when her whole clan entered a blood-lust and sought to kill her. All Merrill did was practice self-defense and it killed her inside to fight her clan.

No, I expected it to kill her inside...but she's just fine afterwards and we didn't talk about it even once....that's what bothered me...

It does kill her inside. When you talk to her afterwards in her house, she's is borderline broken, questioning her very purpose in life, and asks Hawke to tell her what to do with the rest of it as she's lost all rational ability to think for herself at that moment (she's very emotional.)

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

If Hawke "takes the blame" paraphrase, he's really blaming Merrill in the actual dialogue, and that didn't make any sense to me

You could always take the phrase as I did on my first playthrough. Hawke's savvy enough to know that Merrill's in the right, but is also savvy enough to know the clan is angry and looking for a scapegoat and won't listen to what is the truth, so it'd be best to feed them what they want to hear.

Despite Hawke not believing it himself and knowing, as I said, that she was in the right.

That's how I've done it. It's one of the few times where the voiced PC in DAII meshed with what I wanted.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 janvier 2013 - 06:21 .

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Its even more awkward if on the way back to her place in Kirkwall you get some silly/funny banter. Then again, it was Merrill who gives you friendship points for dealing with the demon Torpor in the Night Terrors quest in the fade.

For listening to Torpor to gain more information about the situation, not for making a deal with Torpor. Merrill's dialogue makes it clear she doesn't condone selling Feynriel out to Torpor.

Plus, she's not there when you do sell him out. Merrill's MO is "playing the Demon before he plays you". That's really what she's approving of. She thinks that's what Hawke's going to do, but she's not actually there when Hawke sells Feynriel out for real.

[TEWR]

Filament wrote...

Assuming that bug never got patched.

It did, but the OP might not have that patch.

[Mobuse]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If Hawke "takes the blame" paraphrase, he's really blaming Merrill in the actual dialogue, and that didn't make any sense to me

You could always take the phrase as I did on my first playthrough. Hawke's savvy enough to know that Merrill's in the right, but is also savvy enough to know the clan is angry and looking for a scapegoat and won't listen to what is the truth, so it'd be best to feed them what they want to hear.

Despite Hawke not believing it himself and knowing, as I said, that she was in the right.

That's how I've done it. It's one of the few times where the voiced PC in DAII meshed with what I wanted.

For some reason that didn't happen in my game....I even went to her house but there was no conversation available...

[thats1evildude]

Mobuse wrote...

For some reason that didn't happen in my game....I even went to her house but there was no conversation available...

Note: the dialogue at her house only occurs if Merrill is at 100 per cent Friendship or Rivalry.

The Wiki also says the quest may not trigger if you talked to Marethari beforehand. 

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 janvier 2013 - 10:11 .

[Mobuse]

thats1evildude wrote...

Mobuse wrote...

For some reason that didn't happen in my game....I even went to her house but there was no conversation available...

the dialogue at her house only occurs if Merrill is at 100 per cent Friendship or Rivalry.

Now that's just stupid.....

[TEWR]

Mobuse wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If Hawke "takes the blame" paraphrase, he's really blaming Merrill in the actual dialogue, and that didn't make any sense to me

You could always take the phrase as I did on my first playthrough. Hawke's savvy enough to know that Merrill's in the right, but is also savvy enough to know the clan is angry and looking for a scapegoat and won't listen to what is the truth, so it'd be best to feed them what they want to hear.

Despite Hawke not believing it himself and knowing, as I said, that she was in the right.

That's how I've done it. It's one of the few times where the voiced PC in DAII meshed with what I wanted.

For some reason that didn't happen in my game....I even went to her house but there was no conversation available...

It's an option available after the confrontation with Marethari, when the clan comes and is irate with Merrill without thinking things through.

The actual conversation about the aftermath of the quest occurs after you achieve full friendship or rivalry, as thats1evildude said.

[DPSSOC]

LobselVith8 wrote...
If Hawke "takes the blame" paraphrase, he's really blaming Merrill in the actual dialogue, and that didn't make any sense to me. Keeper Marethari chose to release Audacity from its prison, she didn't warn anyone until long after she released the demon, she didn't caution her clan to leave Sundermount for their own safety, and she didn't have anyone nearby to kill her once the demon possessed her. Why should I blame Merrill?

Technically if Merrill hadn't insisted on fixing the mirror Marethari never would have had reason to release Audacity.  Depends how far back you want to go on the blame train.  A caused B leading to C and finally D, one could argue that A, B, or C were to blame for D.