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[capn233]

Worst teammate and worst character aren't exactly the same thing.

Speaking strictly as a teammate, it is probably Jacob. Although it is worth pointing out that Incendiary Ammo is somewhat useful if you are a class without ammo in ME2, as is Pull if you are a biotic class.

Edit: comment about Liara having no useful powers is pretty amusing.  She had one of the more powerful skillsets in every single game.

Modifié par capn233, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:19 .

[katamuro]

in me1 Kaidan was useless. Died as soon as possible. Ashley is useful in me3 but i prefer garrus. Jacob in me2 is just not used by me since he is not really good at anything.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Jenkins.

[Mcfly616]

First you ask which is the worst squadmate. Then you railroad it into 3 characters and ask which one of the 3 are the worst......and finally you ask which is the worst "character".....


That's like 3 entirely different questions. Which would you like an answer to?

[Ignis Mors]

Mr.House wrote...

Ignis Mors wrote...

I chose Liara also because SHE DIED WITHIN THIRTY SECONDS OF EVERY FIGHT STARTING!

That's your fault, not Liara.

I told her to get in cover so she wouldn't be shot, and she ignored me. After she died for the fourth time on Mars because she didn't do what I told her, I just said, "Fine, satisfy your death wish. Ashley and I can handle this."

[StayFrosty05]

Ignis Mors wrote...

I chose Liara also because SHE DIED WITHIN THIRTY SECONDS OF EVERY FIGHT STARTING!

On Thessia there's my Sniping Shep and his Sniping buddy both kitted up with the Black Widow, destroying the mooks at the far end of the walk way....mooks no threat at all....Liara suddenly shoots forward and barrels towards the mooks with her SMG for some up close and personal....Sheps face.......Did Liara not understand the part about the mooks being no threat and being completely and utterly destroyed from a safe distance?........So stopped firing, just watched Liara through the scope get her *ss handed to her on a platter, she bought that one on herself, why in the hell did Shep have to take her to Thessia........all he basically has is a team of two on Thessia, though to be fair cannon fodder Liara is a distraction during her brief active moments.

[StayFrosty05]

Ignis Mors wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Ignis Mors wrote...

I chose Liara also because SHE DIED WITHIN THIRTY SECONDS OF EVERY FIGHT STARTING!

That's your fault, not Liara.

I told her to get in cover so she wouldn't be shot, and she ignored me. After she died for the fourth time on Mars because she didn't do what I told her, I just said, "Fine, satisfy your death wish. Ashley and I can handle this."

Liara doesn't like to stay where you put her, I notice that too...she just barrels ahead anyway.

[Mcfly616]

capn233 wrote...

Edit: comment about Liara having no useful powers is pretty amusing.  She had one of the more powerful skillsets in every single game.

what the...? Who said that? Lol

Liara is capable of controlling the entire battlefield in every game. Whoever thinks she's weak, must've used her like an idiot or didn't use her at all.

[StayFrosty05]

Mcfly616 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Edit: comment about Liara having no useful powers is pretty amusing.  She had one of the more powerful skillsets in every single game.

what the...? Who said that? Lol

Liara is capable of controlling the entire battlefield in every game. Whoever thinks she's weak, must've used her like an idiot or didn't use her at all.

Liara's powers are good...she gets the best powers in LotSB and ME3...but she really does not play well with a Sniper...is only a good team mate for CQC Sheps....with a Sniper she is ridiculous.

[Mr.Racoon]

Liara is worst written character if you accout for all the time the games spend developing her

but Ash is the worst in terms of being a character and formining an emotionnal attachment to. She was supposed to be this renegade-ish version of Liara in ME1 but just comes off as a xenophobic redneck hillbilly that likes poetry

[kalasaurus]

Jacob, of course. I used him on 3 missions: The Prologue, Freedom's Progress, and his loyalty mission. I never saw the use for him with his oh-so-useless biotic "good stuff" and pessimistic BS.

Kaidan's a useful squad mate (more so in ME3 than ME1). Ash was useful in ME1 (almost as tanky as Wrex). I always left her to die on Virmire, so I can't judge for ME3.

Edit: As for the worst CHARACTER, my vote still goes to Jacob.  Kaidan's my second favorite character/squaddie next to Garrus.  Ash was alright in ME1; my Spacer Shep had a sisterly bond with her.  If I could save both, I would.

Modifié par GlassElephant, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:40 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Kaidan and Jacob have less personality than the husk head prop I have in my cabin.

Ashley has a personality so she is by default infinitely better than Jacob and Kaidan but is a bit too much drama for me....the whole racist argument in ME1, the massive fit thrown in ME2 and then she just kept going on and on and on about me and Cerberus in ME3 despite me telling her a hundred billion times there's nothing there.

[EnvyTB075]

Liara

[Mcfly616]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Edit: comment about Liara having no useful powers is pretty amusing.  She had one of the more powerful skillsets in every single game.

what the...? Who said that? Lol

Liara is capable of controlling the entire battlefield in every game. Whoever thinks she's weak, must've used her like an idiot or didn't use her at all.

Liara's powers are good...she gets the best powers in LotSB and ME3...but she really does not play well with a Sniper...is only a good team mate for CQC Sheps....with a Sniper she is ridiculous.

you're joking right? All I really play as is Infiltrator(sniper). She's the best squadmate for it. Stasis bubble. 100% cooldown on Singularity. Bringing her along is like shooting clay pigeons. Pick them off one by one.

Edit: and she also one of the best skill sets in ME1 as well

Modifié par Mcfly616, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:43 .

[Ignis Mors]

indeed, Frosty. And, Mcfly, Liara has what, singularity(garbage), stasis(meh.), warp ammo, and warp, which don't suck, but aren't enough to control the battlefield. And, even if she could, I didn't need someone to do that, I needed someone who was going to follow my orders so that I don't get frustrated. In ME2, everyone does what you say. And, they stay in cover if you tell them to. Except Liara in LOTSB.

[capn233]

Ignis Mors wrote...

indeed, Frosty. And, Mcfly, Liara has what, singularity(garbage), stasis(meh.), warp ammo, and warp, which don't suck, but aren't enough to control the battlefield. And, even if she could, I didn't need someone to do that, I needed someone who was going to follow my orders so that I don't get frustrated. In ME2, everyone does what you say. And, they stay in cover if you tell them to. Except Liara in LOTSB.

Liara's Singularity and Warp are two of the more useful squad abilities in ME3.  Singularity is instacast and good CC, as well as setting up biotic explosions.  Warp sets up a BE on any enemy in the game, and debuffs armor.  You can also use her by herself to continually detonate BE's throughout a mission.

As for ME2, her behavior in LOTSB is not any different than any other squadmate.  I do not have the trouble keeping her in cover that you do.  Even if that were true it isn't a knock on her skillset.  The only issue I have with her is that her powers selection is a little odd if you use the auto-power keys (Q or E on PC).  This is true in both ME2 and ME3, but not a big deal if you map her powers yourself.

No point in even commenting on her in ME1.  Lift, Singularity, Warp, Electronics...

Modifié par capn233, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:56 .

[EnvyTB075]

Mcfly616 wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Edit: comment about Liara having no useful powers is pretty amusing.  She had one of the more powerful skillsets in every single game.

what the...? Who said that? Lol

Liara is capable of controlling the entire battlefield in every game. Whoever thinks she's weak, must've used her like an idiot or didn't use her at all.

Liara's powers are good...she gets the best powers in LotSB and ME3...but she really does not play well with a Sniper...is only a good team mate for CQC Sheps....with a Sniper she is ridiculous.

you're joking right? All I really play as is Infiltrator(sniper). She's the best squadmate for it. Stasis bubble. 100% cooldown on Singularity. Bringing her along is like shooting clay pigeons. Pick them off one by one.

Edit: and she also one of the best skill sets in ME1 as well

Javik was better, merely because you could equip him with the Particle Rifle and Dark Channel was a good background power whilst Garrus and I shot everything with our Widows, in the exact same fashion as you did (i play infil).

[StayFrosty05]

Mcfly616 wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Edit: comment about Liara having no useful powers is pretty amusing.  She had one of the more powerful skillsets in every single game.

what the...? Who said that? Lol

Liara is capable of controlling the entire battlefield in every game. Whoever thinks she's weak, must've used her like an idiot or didn't use her at all.

Liara's powers are good...she gets the best powers in LotSB and ME3...but she really does not play well with a Sniper...is only a good team mate for CQC Sheps....with a Sniper she is ridiculous.

you're joking right? All I really play as is Infiltrator(sniper). She's the best squadmate for it. Stasis bubble. 100% cooldown on Singularity. Bringing her along is like shooting clay pigeons. Pick them off one by one.

Edit: and she also one of the best skill sets in ME1 as well

As I stated above....snip...:

On Thessia there's my Sniping Shep and his Sniping buddy both
kitted up with the Black Widow, destroying the mooks at the far end of
the walk way....mooks no threat at all....Liara suddenly shoots forward
and barrels towards the mooks with her SMG for some up close and
personal....Sheps face.......Did
Liara not understand the part about the mooks being no threat and being
completely and utterly destroyed from a safe distance?........So stopped firing, just watched Liara through the scope get her *ss handed to her on a platter....snip....

As for the Stasis bubble...all it does is temporarily take a mook out of play and they can't be damaged....'Dominate' is the winning power for temporary removal of menace stategy.....Singularity works best for CQC, otherwise it just gets in the way and interferes with precision shots....Mail slot shots anyone?....doesn't play nice with Singularity.

[Ignis Mors]

I just don't like a teammate who disobeys orders, does NOTHING in the shadow broker fight, and will not get the point that Shepard isn't interested.

[Dr_Extrem]

Mcfly616 wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Edit: comment about Liara having no useful powers is pretty amusing.  She had one of the more powerful skillsets in every single game.

what the...? Who said that? Lol

Liara is capable of controlling the entire battlefield in every game. Whoever thinks she's weak, must've used her like an idiot or didn't use her at all.

Liara's powers are good...she gets the best powers in LotSB and ME3...but she really does not play well with a Sniper...is only a good team mate for CQC Sheps....with a Sniper she is ridiculous.

you're joking right? All I really play as is Infiltrator(sniper). She's the best squadmate for it. Stasis bubble. 100% cooldown on Singularity. Bringing her along is like shooting clay pigeons. Pick them off one by one.

Edit: and she also one of the best skill sets in ME1 as well

aye ... my fav team in me1 and 3 is sniper-shep infiltrator, liara and garrus.


infiltrator-shep can prepare fire and tech-explosions. liara is a mezz-monster and has warp ammo. garrus can strip any resistance and can set off explosions. you can beat any mission in the game with ease.

you can stun heavy enemies and entire groups. set them on fire and blast them to hell ... or garrus and you, snipe them from a distance.

[ForThessia]

Love how even when you are given a specific 3 squaddies to talk about, the Liara haters still find a way to turn it into a typical "I hate Liara" snooze fest. As far as her dying in combat, it's not her fault if you're an incompetent commander.

Out of those 3 I find Jacob to be the worst.

Modifié par ForThessia, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:55 .

[Belisarius25]

Of those three, I guess Jacob. Maybe the writers agreed, since they basically dumped him to the side in ME3.

Mr.Racoon wrote...

but Ash is the worst in terms of being a character and formining an emotionnal attachment to. She was supposed to be this renegade-ish version of Liara in ME1 but just comes off as a xenophobic redneck hillbilly that likes poetry

Did you ever bother to like, talk to her or develop her at all in your games? The way you describe her comes across as someone simply going off what other people have said or someone who didn't actually bother to talk to her much.

(1) She's not xenophobic. She doesn't hate aliens (hint: she hates Cerberus and Terra Firma for being racist), she doesn't think humanity should trust them much because she thinks that, when push comes to shove, the other races (at least the council races) won't be there for the Alliance. She's actually sympathetic to Tali/the discrimination against the quarians on her own and part of her character development is moving past that initial distrust. Of course, come ME3, it turns out she's right, as only the Turians express much of an interest in forming a solid anti-Reaper alliance on their own.

(2) What exactly makes her a "redneck hillbilly"? The fact she mentions she believes in God? 

I also noticed the standard "doesn't shut up about Cerberus in ME3". She says three things to you about Cerberus

(1) It's weird they attack Mars right as Shepard gets there (it is)
(2). She has the conversation in the airlock where (if you go with the paragon response), she apologizes and says she does trust you
(3) The huskified Cerberus guy where she points out that that's what she was afraid had happened to you (i.e. that Cerberus had reprogrammed you without you even knowing). Again, if you aren't an ass, she affirms that she trusts you (and does so again at the hospital). Interestingly, given the conversation that Miranda has about wanting to implant that chip in you, I'm not seeing how Ashley's in the wrong here.,

Modifié par Belisarius25, 04 janvier 2013 - 01:04 .

[StayFrosty05]

ForThessia wrote...

Love how even when you are given a specific 3 squaddies to talk about, the Liara haters still find a way to turn it into a typical "I hate Liara" snooze fest. As far as her dying in combat, it's not her fault if you're an incompetent commander.

Out of those 3 I find Jacob to be the worst.

Incompetent Squaddie for not staying where you damned well put her...she seems to feel she knows better and can handle it on her own and of course ends up dead...is one of the few squaddies in the ME series who won't stay where she is told to stay.

[Ignis Mors]

ForThessia, Liara is the ONLY squadmate that died frequently for me, no one else got downed frequently. In ME2 on insanity I didn't lose teammates very much, only in the hardest battles did anyone die. In ME3 on NORMAL Liara died in every fight when I used the tactics that had gotten me through the previous title fine. Tell teammates where to take cover and what abilities to use.

[capn233]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Incompetent Squaddie for not staying where you damned well put her...she seems to feel she knows better and can handle it on her own and of course ends up dead...is one of the few squaddies in the ME series who won't stay where she is told to stay.

That really just doesn't happen any more than other squad members.  You are either moving too far from her, or using the Move/Attack key errantly when attempting to issue an attack command after you have put her in cover.

She is more fragile than other squadmates, but that makes sense since she has more powerful abilities.  Even so, many consider her potentially an overpowered squadmate in any of the titles.