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[spirosz]

LinksOcarina wrote...
That said, it is hard to gague how long is too long, or too short. People would shout that RPGs need longer development times, but honestly Dragon Age: Origins is the exception to the rule for a 5-7 year development cycle, most games in that time fail miserably. 

Exactly.  I think two to three years are viable, but that all depends on how talented the team is (which Bioware is very talented), their budget and more importantly their priorities.  

They also have to consider what's happening in the gaming industry and what's selling, what's not to, but that's always a factor.

Also, I keep shouting that they shouldn't of cut important dialogue for certain characters instead of spending resources on Diana Allers, that just baffles me.  

Modifié par spirosz, 04 janvier 2013 - 04:45 .

[LinksOcarina]

crimzontearz wrote...

No proof..but theory fits the evidence

Especially after the recent EA boasts

And as I said even with the extra six months? Not enough time

In your opinion for the last part.

What theory though? I thought it was universally stated that they worked on the ending in those last six months before release?

[LinksOcarina]

spirosz wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...
That said, it is hard to gague how long is too long, or too short. People would shout that RPGs need longer development times, but honestly Dragon Age: Origins is the exception to the rule for a 5-7 year development cycle, most games in that time fail miserably. 

Exactly.  I think two to three years are viable, but that all depends on how talented the team is (which Bioware is very talented), their budget and more importantly their priorities.  

They also have to consider what's happening in the gaming industry and what's selling, what's not to, but that's always a factor.

Also, I keep shouting that they shouldn't of cut important dialogue for certain characters instead of spending resources on Diana Allers, that just baffles me.  

Well, they did make a RPG with TPS elements....

And the word budget will determine dialogue constraints in the end as well, plus continutity with characters and what not needs to be considered. 

[Remix-General Aetius]

No my faith in Bioware has not been destroyed because compared to some other money-grubbers like Actiblizzard, they're saints.

[Fnork]

Not really. ME3 has been a disappointment for me but that has no real bearing on how I view the company. I'll check out DA3 but I'll not buy it before having played a demo and having read some user reviews and having seen some video footage. That's mostly because DLC is so widespread nowadays and the games still cost a pretty penny. That's just me being careful.

As for ME4, now there I'll be super careful. Maybe even wait 'till it's in the bargain bin. But at no point will one disappointing ME game destroy my faith in Bioware; they're more than just ME. That said, they're going to have to make ME4 a little less artsy fartsy if they want my money.

Also, I loved DA2 to bits. It's probably why I see things a little differently. I played ME2 and DA2 before ever touching their prequels. It made all the improvements they made gameplay wise really stand out. I can't really sympathize with people that hated DA2 and for whom ME3 was the second (or third) dissapointment in a row.

Modifié par Fnork, 04 janvier 2013 - 04:52 .

[SlottsMachine]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I use to trust Bioware. But when I saw her with another man it broke my heart.

That's not what I saw, in fact it was you that was smooching with Bioware. You've been smooching with everyone...

[Kingthlayer]

It hasn't destroyed my trust in BioWare has a company, I still subscribe and enjoy SWTOR. I'm still looking forward to Dragon Age 3. But it has destroyed my trust in the Mass Effect team, because for the first time I didn't buy a BioWare DLC when Omega came out. When in the past I would download DLC as soon as I was able to do so.

I have a mental list of everything that needs to be included in the next Mass Effect DLC that if it's all not included, I won't be purchasing it. I'm already not purchasing any future Mass Effect games, because a prequel is just uninteresting, and I don't like the idea of a sequel with BioWare loving their synthesis idea(which I hate)

[crimzontearz]

LinksOcarina wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

No proof..but theory fits the evidence

Especially after the recent EA boasts

And as I said even with the extra six months? Not enough time

In your opinion for the last part.

What theory though? I thought it was universally stated that they worked on the ending in those last six months before release?

it was not


 
Also, Halo 4 was created in 3.5 years by a team of 300 people

ME3 took 2.5 and a team of 200/250 depending on the quotes.


 
Halo 4 is JUST a shooter...ME3 is a complex (story wise) RPG with gods know how many times the dialogue of Halo 4.


That is on top if EA's boasting that they will not green light any project that does not have MP

[Zjarcal]

Why would it when it's actually my favorite product of theirs so far?

[crimzontearz]

Lathrim wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Lathrim wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

you are missing part of the equation on your first response.

The problem is not that DA2 sucked thus ME3 will or ME3 was awful thus DA:I will too
 
It's more DA2/ME3 were given barely two years of dev cycle which resulted in awful shortcomings one right after the other...unless we see proof of this trend changing chances are ME4 and DA:I will suffer the same fate

Perhaps. But honestly, I don't believe that is how the posts I read were meant to be seen.

It was a simple "X sucked, therefore so will Y". Believing the next game will fail because you noticed a trend in more than one of their recent games is perfectly okay, even if it is nothing but an assumption. However, thinking something will be awful because the previous did not satisfy you, assuming they are parts of different franchises and developed by different teams, quite ridiculous.

I am not assuming...math and public statements are on my side. Sure his post was crudely put but after reflection there is truth to it.

I did not specify any post in specific, nor is any of the ones I am thinking of in this thread. Just a FYI.

You misunderstand me. Believing the next game will fail because you noticed a trend in more than one of their recent games *is* an assumption, since one failure does not inevitably lead to another in this situation. This is what I'm saying.

no no, I understand you, what I am.saying is that if you see the trending REASON for the lack of quality and this trnding is still there then chances are future products will suffer too

[_aLucidMind_]

Mass Effect 3 made me extremely wary of anything this dev team makes; I haven't played DA2 but will be playing it and DA3. If those disappoint me to the same extent the ending and their PR did, then BioWare as a whole will have lost my trust completely.

[LinksOcarina]

crimzontearz wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

No proof..but theory fits the evidence

Especially after the recent EA boasts

And as I said even with the extra six months? Not enough time

In your opinion for the last part.

What theory though? I thought it was universally stated that they worked on the ending in those last six months before release?

it was not

 
Also, Halo 4 was created in 3.5 years by a team of 300 people

ME3 took 2.5 and a team of 200/250 depending on the quotes.

 
Halo 4 is JUST a shooter...ME3 is a complex (story wise) RPG with gods know how many times the dialogue of Halo 4.

That is on top if EA's boasting that they will not green light any project that does not have MP

Halo 4 is an arbitrary example. 

[Xamufam]

crimzontearz wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

No proof..but theory fits the evidence

Especially after the recent EA boasts

And as I said even with the extra six months? Not enough time

In your opinion for the last part.

What theory though? I thought it was universally stated that they worked on the ending in those last six months before release?

it was not


 
Also, Halo 4 was created in 3.5 years by a team of 300 people

ME3 took 2.5 and a team of 200/250 depending on the quotes.


 
Halo 4 is JUST a shooter...ME3 is a complex (story wise) RPG with gods know how many times the dialogue of Halo 4.


That is on top if EA's boasting that they will not green light any project that does not have MP

expected more people to create an rpg

[Obadiah]

Pretty much what made me lose my trust of Bioware to create an engrossing mature RPGs was Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2.

In comparison to the (I'll say it) deep interactive novel of Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2 was a high quality mass produced comic book. Three discussions and your LI would jump into bed - yay. The devs dropped most of the interesting stories I was interested in:
- Corporate power run amok
- Respected 500 year old oracle prostitutes with real respected political influence
- Existential threats that you have to prepare for
- Political machinations - Intragalactic and local.

In addition, stuff that was added in ME2 was not given proper narrative treatment. Omega is essentially a failed state and Aria is a warlord, yet the only thing the game does is play it for action. At no point is Shep given the option to really delve into what makes Omega tick, or the implications of its existence.

For a binary like/dislike decision, I "like" all of the games in ME and DA, but I can't recommend them to other adults as mature fictional material they way I could Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 1 (both of which I gave to people as gifts).

Modifié par Obadiah, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:08 .

[BigGuy28]

Combined with Dragon Age 2 yes. I will not be buying any more Bioware games unless they get near perfect reviews from most players.

[crimzontearz]

Lathrim wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Lathrim wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

you are missing part of the equation on your first response.

The problem is not that DA2 sucked thus ME3 will or ME3 was awful thus DA:I will too
 
It's more DA2/ME3 were given barely two years of dev cycle which resulted in awful shortcomings one right after the other...unless we see proof of this trend changing chances are ME4 and DA:I will suffer the same fate

Perhaps. But honestly, I don't believe that is how the posts I read were meant to be seen.

It was a simple "X sucked, therefore so will Y". Believing the next game will fail because you noticed a trend in more than one of their recent games is perfectly okay, even if it is nothing but an assumption. However, thinking something will be awful because the previous did not satisfy you, assuming they are parts of different franchises and developed by different teams, quite ridiculous.

I am not assuming...math and public statements are on my side. Sure his post was crudely put but after reflection there is truth to it.

I did not specify any post in specific, nor is any of the ones I am thinking of in this thread. Just a FYI.

You misunderstand me. Believing the next game will fail because you noticed a trend in more than one of their recent games *is* an assumption, since one failure does not inevitably lead to another in this situation. This is what I'm saying.

double post

Modifié par crimzontearz, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:03 .

[CroGamer002]

Not only ME3, but also Bioware's abysmal PR department ruined my trust to Bioware.

[crimzontearz]

LinksOcarina wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

No proof..but theory fits the evidence

Especially after the recent EA boasts

And as I said even with the extra six months? Not enough time

In your opinion for the last part.

What theory though? I thought it was universally stated that they worked on the ending in those last six months before release?

it was not

 
Also, Halo 4 was created in 3.5 years by a team of 300 people

ME3 took 2.5 and a team of 200/250 depending on the quotes.

 
Halo 4 is JUST a shooter...ME3 is a complex (story wise) RPG with gods know how many times the dialogue of Halo 4.

That is on top if EA's boasting that they will not green light any project that does not have MP

Halo 4 is an arbitrary example. 

your point?

[Captain_Obvious]

What's made me uneasy is that they were able to ruin not only a single game, but an entire franchise for me. I don't want to play ANY Mass Effect, and haven't since last March. I keep stopping by every few months on the forum here to keep my voice heard and to see if there is any progress from Bioware in admitting that they made a mistake, but so far there is nothing. If they make ME4, and if it is awesome, now there is always going to be that little voice in my head that says "yeah, it's great, but they are going to ruin it in the end, so what's the point."

[Epique Phael767]

Yes, Bioware and EA no longer have any of my respect.

[squaredgonzo]

Not at all. They gave us KoTor, DAO, ME. Though I didn't like the ending, it doesn't mean I should vilify BW completely. But yeah, I hate EA

[MyAwesomeAfro]

Thanks for all this feedback. Keep it coming. Hopefully Bioware actually sees this and realises how badly this has been handled.

[Savber100]

MyAwesomeAfro wrote...

Thanks for all this feedback. Keep it coming. Hopefully Bioware actually sees this and realises how badly this has been handled.

I'm sorry but that is stupid. 

EA doesn't give a DAMN of what you write on their forums. Why should they? 

The only thing that even triggers anything for EA is sale numbers and even then EA would make sure it was the DEVELOPERS like Bioware pay with the fan ire. 

Second, you don't give any "trust" to a business. The only developers that I would even place close are those unassociated with mainstream publishers like Valve and CD Projekt RED. Even then, TRUST is a iffy word. 

Modifié par Savber100, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:25 .